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BiohazrD posted:is there any real reason to even have midterms? why not just sync everyone up on the same 4 year schedule? The thinking of having the House and Senate on separate 2 and 6 year cycles was tied up in what the founders expected the two houses to be like. They saw the House as being more directly responsible to the will of the people and thus, having more frequent elections means they're constantly keeping their finger on the pulse of popular opinion. Senators, on the other hand, can take a more long-term view of the issues and in theory do what's best for the state even when that's not always the most immediately popular option. The Senate originally being elected by state legislatures also ties into this.
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Mail in voting is effective. If it wasn't, the Republicans wouldn't be trying to limit it in Arizona. They passed a "Ballot Harvesting" law that makes it a felony for me to drop off my neighbor's ballot at a mailbox (I live in an apartment complex so we don't have outgoing mailboxes.
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WampaLord posted:Yea, you should have been more clear. How does your state provide voting access to homeless and other citizens without a permanent mailing addresses?
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Trabisnikof posted:How does your state provide voting access to homeless and other citizens without a permanent mailing addresses? I dunno, I live in Florida, we're not all mail-in, but we do have the option of getting a mail-in ballot. Every state should at least have the option.
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Oct 5, 2016 19:58
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Trabisnikof posted:How does your state provide voting access to homeless and other citizens without a permanent mailing addresses? Here in Washington we have Accessible Voting Centers that you can vote in person at. Also you might be able to list a shelter as your mailing address? I don't really know.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Mail in voting is effective. If it wasn't, the Republicans wouldn't be trying to limit it in Arizona. Research hasn't actually shown if it is though, especially after the novelty wears off.
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BiohazrD posted:Sorry, I should have clarified. I know that it is the way it is because it is written into the Constitution. I was more curious as to the reasoning behind it. Wasn't the House was the only group that was elected by the "population" (white, landed, males) originally, anyway? So I don't think this modern view of election cycles really applies to the Constitution as written. P.S. never mind House elections, though. The real trouble is things like odd-year elections, and sometimes even extra ones for local stuff.
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Endorph posted:i don't even get why that lady was yelling at her??? if that woman is bringing her kid to a trump rally, she's probably already in the pocket for trump. The disabled are viewed as untermensch by the Trump red hats.
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Casimir Radon posted:Ban campaigning more than a year out from an election. I would love this, but I'm sure it would be a violation of freedom of speech.
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Nice to know someone is willing to spend in the multiple tens of dollars because they fear for Rudy Giuliani's safety. lol
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Bird in a Blender posted:I would love this, but I'm sure it would be a violation of freedom of speech. Also I'm pretty sure there was no campaigning for the general election before last november.
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Quoting from a few pages back, but this is pro-click as gently caress. Article posted:And still, though for years Trump patronized the factories where they worked, many of the workers I spoke with had never heard of him. The few Shengzhou assembly-line workers that were aware of Trump had only just learned his name. The long arm of Trump's fame finally reached these workers not through his storied business enterprises but through his precipitous rise as a right-wing iconoclast in American politics.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:I should have been more clear -- it's a pain in the rear end administratively. (Disclaimer: I've spent a lot of time, including an entire year of my life, working in voting registration and elections.) States and areas with vote only by mail have much higher turnout than average. 2012 quote:U.S. Turnout: 58.7%
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mcmagic posted:Nice to know someone is willing to spend in the multiple tens of dollars because they fear for Rudy Giuliani's safety. lol Pretty sure that's not about Rudy chief
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Bird in a Blender posted:I would love this, but I'm sure it would be a violation of freedom of speech. well we could prolly lessen the amount of campaigning by shortening the election clock (e.g., primaries all at once or over a couple weeks in july/august, then general in November)
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:States and areas with vote only by mail have much higher turnout than average. Look at the link I posted with a run down on actual findings: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2015/12/21/voting-only-by-mail-can-decrease-or-increase-turnout-wait-what/
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mcmagic posted:Nice to know someone is willing to spend in the multiple tens of dollars because they fear for Rudy Giuliani's safety. lol to be fair, you bought a new avatar right away like a bitch
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:States and areas with vote only by mail have much higher turnout than average. While this is true and I agree vote-by-mail is a Good Thing, those states already had high turnout.
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So if anyone is familiar with Adam Ruins Everything, over in Manhattan there's a billboard where he says "Building a Wall will not stop illegal immigration." So this Trump supporter I know saw it posted a picture of it and said this is a prime example of a stupid liberals straw man argument because no one said it would. And I'm stunned, I don't know why, at the amount of ignorance
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Mel Mudkiper posted:to be fair, you bought a new avatar right away like a bitch I had a free one lying around that I won in a bet. I would not give anyone here the satisfaction of spending any money on that. I kinda liked my NRA one though...
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JerikTelorian posted:So, Benghazi is brought up all the time by the anti-Hillary crowd, but I've never seen any justification or argument about it, they just say "Benghazi". Do people have an actual narrative for why it is her fault, or is it just that she happened to be on the same planet when it occurred? What always really blows my mind about this is that there is actually a somewhat legit small-scale scandal regarding the lack of security at the building, but even half the idiots who parrot Benghazi nonsense every day probably wouldn't even be able to tell you that because the GOP so thoroughly drowned it out by hyping bullshit internet conspiracy theories about her "leaving our people to die".
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:well we could prolly lessen the amount of campaigning by shortening the election clock (e.g., primaries all at once or over a couple weeks in july/august, then general in November) Yea, I like that idea more. What was it, like 5 months from the first primary/caucus to the last one?
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Jarmak posted:What always really blows my mind about this is that there is actually a somewhat legit small-scale scandal regarding the lack of security at the building, but even half the idiots who parrot Benghazi nonsense every day probably wouldn't even be able to tell you that because the GOP so thoroughly drowned it out by hyping bullshit internet conspiracy theories about her "leaving our people to die". The reason they don't talk about this is because it is primarily Congress' fault for refusing to appropriate funds for more security. 
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^^^ you son of a bitch! ^^^Jarmak posted:What always really blows my mind about this is that there is actually a somewhat legit small-scale scandal regarding the lack of security at the building, but even half the idiots who parrot Benghazi nonsense every day probably wouldn't even be able to tell you that because the GOP so thoroughly drowned it out by hyping bullshit internet conspiracy theories about her "leaving our people to die". That's because the GOP kept denying requests for increase funding for embassy security.
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Jarmak posted:What always really blows my mind about this is that there is actually a somewhat legit small-scale scandal regarding the lack of security at the building, but even half the idiots who parrot Benghazi nonsense every day probably wouldn't even be able to tell you that because the GOP so thoroughly drowned it out by hyping bullshit internet conspiracy theories about her "leaving our people to die". Would it have even been safer if it was a high profile high security building?
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Compulsory voting is the only way to increase voter turnout at this point. Making election day a holiday will just mean people will go on vacation and not vote. Eh, wrong answer. Many countries have compulsory voting and instead of having only 60% of eligible voters vote, you get 40% of people writing in "Mike Dick" and "Mickey Mouse".
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Bird in a Blender posted:Yea, I like that idea more. What was it, like 5 months from the first primary/caucus to the last one? Six-ish but yeah, it's absolutely absurd. You also then have a lot of disconnect where states have their primary or caucuses (we should get rid of these) really early, but it's only for presidential elections and all the local/state poo poo happens later and has much, much lower turnout.
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Phone posted:you get 40% of people writing in "Mike Dick" whats a kdick?
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Phone posted:Eh, wrong answer. Many countries have compulsory voting and instead of having only 60% of eligible voters vote, you get 40% of people writing in "Mike Dick" and "Mickey Mouse". Okay, so we ban write-ins and if you don't fill in a bubble for every election we
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KomradeX posted:So if anyone is familiar with Adam Ruins Everything, over in Manhattan there's a billboard where he says "Building a Wall will not stop illegal immigration." So this Trump supporter I know saw it posted a picture of it and said this is a prime example of a stupid liberals straw man argument because no one said it would. And I'm stunned, I don't know why, at the amount of ignorance So why build the goddamn wall at all then? Is it just some 'FYGM' statement on an incredibly grand and expensive scale? Is it entirely a vanity project of xenophobes meant to intimidate foreigners? Don't answer those...
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Phone posted:Eh, wrong answer. Many countries have compulsory voting and instead of having only 60% of eligible voters vote, you get 40% of people writing in "Mike Dick" and "Mickey Mouse". Source your posts, because my understanding is that mandatory voting --> much higher levels of "legitimate" voter participation e: here's one paper which theorizes counter to your post. based on 5 seconds of Google Scholar searching http://www.edegan.com/pdfs/Krasa%20Polborn%20(2009)%20-%20Is%20mandatory%20voting%20better%20than%20voluntary%20voting.pdf WeAreTheRomans fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Look at the link I posted with a run down on actual findings: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2015/12/21/voting-only-by-mail-can-decrease-or-increase-turnout-wait-what/ The counterargument seems weird, since it's self selecting polling locations that don't have high amounts of turnout. Like read this paragraph: quote:My research found that when you can only vote by mail, voter turnout actually drops by about 13 percent. I examined what happens to turnout if voting by mail is compulsory. I studied more than 90,000 voters who could vote only by mail across four elections from 2006 through 2008 in five of the most populous urban counties in California. (In that state, if a precinct has fewer than 250 voters, elections officials are allowed to forego a polling place and accept ballots only by mail.) And the abstract: quote:What would happen to registrants when they have no choice and are required to cast their ballot by mail? We answer that question in this article. In this study we exploit a natural quasi-experiment in California to test how the utilization of mail-only balloting affects the turnout of registrants. We analyzed the behavior of 97,381 individual voters across four elections from 2006 to 2008 and found that when all-mail balloting was implemented, the estimated odds of an individual registrant voting decreased by 13.2%. Essentially, all it's saying is "if your precinct has fewer that 250 votes, the chance of you voting decreases by 13.2%". computer parts fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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JerikTelorian posted:So, Benghazi is brought up all the time by the anti-Hillary crowd, but I've never seen any justification or argument about it, they just say "Benghazi". Do people have an actual narrative for why it is her fault, or is it just that she happened to be on the same planet when it occurred? I completely checked out of politics/current affairs for like, 7 years because of a lack of interest, cynicism and personal poo poo. This election being so huge though, everyone was talking about it. A neighbor I met down here in Texas brought it up and said he "definitely"wasn't voting for Hillary. I asked him why and he said Benghazi. I had no idea what he was talking about. So I went home, looking it up, and went "huh." And that's what brought me back to the world of politics. I wish I had stayed gone. Some people will believe anything. It is a fact if you repeat something enough, people start to believe it's true. People frickin' though tObama was a Kenyan or Muslim or whatever, after all and that's even more bullshit. It's kind of tragic they have to make up poo poo about Hillary though when she has several real clusterfucks to her name. As for Bush and 9/11, Al Franken's book from about 10 years ago had a long section on how the Bush Administration had left the nation wide open for terrorist attacks. I'm no longer so blinded by my liberal ideas to swallow everything Democrat say though so who knows how much of that is trustworthy.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/783741835420110848 On the other hand, you overcooked Pilsbury doughboy 
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lozzle posted:The reason they don't talk about this is because it is primarily Congress' fault for refusing to appropriate funds for more security. Eh, this is contentious at best, I'm not trying to attack Hillary I'm just saying there was something valid for them to complain about (or at least make the argument for) and not only did they ignore it they effectively insulated Hillary from that line of attack by embracing the full-on nutjob approach. edit: forgot to include the link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...a31f9_blog.html
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computer parts posted:The counterargument seems weird, since it's self selecting polling locations that don't have high amounts of turnout. I think the bigger takeaway is that the places it's most effective are those where there's a lot of buy-in from the election officials to remind people do mail their ballots in. States like Oregon and Washington, which have good civic culture to begin with aren't entirely good exemplars of whether it or works or not. I'd like to see data from, like say, a southern state to be able to say "this is an unalloyed good and something we should do."
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Pastrymancy posted:https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/783699028534067200 i couldn't make it past a minute
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Augus posted:i couldn't make it past a minute It gets worse.
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Phone posted:Eh, wrong answer. Many countries have compulsory voting and instead of having only 60% of eligible voters vote, you get 40% of people writing in "Mike Dick" and "Mickey Mouse". No we dont you idiot. Aust has a 5% Informal vote rate on a 95% turnout. Source : Aust Electoral Commission
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NikkolasKing posted:People frickin' though tObama was a Kenyan or Muslim or whatever, after all and that's even more bullshit. Think, as in currently they still believe it even if they won't admit it.
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