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Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

Alec Bald Snatch posted:

after scopes, evangelicals' interaction with science was mostly limited to protesting biology departments teaching sex ed until the genesis flood was published in the early 60s, which coincided with a rapid expansion of private christian schools built in response to brown v board

also after brown v board is conveniently when people started pushing for charter schools and school vouchers

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Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

Just to bring Dinochat (Lat. "terrible chat") back around full circle, remember that Mike Pence is a Young Earth Creationist.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
We are 30 days away.

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

We are 30 days away.

31 days until 2020 campaigns start!

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

OhFunny posted:

31 days until 2020 campaigns start!

you're forgetting the 2018 "take back congress" election effort first

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

OhFunny posted:

31 days until 2020 campaigns start!

I am so, so so so ready for the debate tonight. Gonna bring popcorn and everything.

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

I'd heard of young earth creationism but I guess I just assumed they ignored dinosaurs. How deep does it go? Like do they have biblical explanations for why all the north american megafauna shrank down so fast? Was Jesus swatting arthropleura* with his sandals or was that more of an old testament thing?

*Linked because not everyone likes giant pictures of skittering things popping up in their browsers unexpectedly, but to give you a sense of what to expect, these aren't tire tracks:


Yo, thanks for linking that picture. I made the mistake of clicking on it and :stare:

Not a fan of megafauna, here. Especially when it has that many legs.

Alec Bald Snatch
Sep 12, 2012

by exmarx

Lightning Knight posted:

Jesus what I would give to have grown up in a setting where Creationism is some faraway concept you've only heard of. :stare:

It's totally worth it to read about it to see how far down that rabbit hole goes because holy poo poo it goes so far.

the thing is you don't even need creationism in public schools

i grew up in rural bumfuck north carolina and we got the typical earth is 4.54-ish billion years old here's how evolution works physical/earth science and biology courses

but on weekends (and wednesday evenings) a solid quarter of the kids would be at baptist retreats and speaker events where they'd be inundated with talk after talk about how if you go back up the evolutionary ladder in some sort of reverse lamarckian fashion what happens when you get to the single celled organisms mr smarty pants godless biology professor? who made those?

and obviously a bunch of the kids accept it without question because it's part of a more entertaining presentation with refreshments and not some dry classroom lecture

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

Bread! Bread! Bread!

Bread! BREAD! BREAD!

FlamingLiberal posted:

Tom Cotton maybe? Who really knows. There aren't too many like Trump.

Two words: David. Duke.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
I feel like the 30 days are an agonizing formality at this point.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


FlamingLiberal posted:

Tom Cotton maybe? Who really knows. There aren't too many like Trump.
Well he is a traitor so that's a mark in his favor in their book.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

Bread! Bread! Bread!

Bread! BREAD! BREAD!

Furnaceface posted:

Can someone please educate my dumb Canadian rear end why supporting UHC is seen as the devil to so many Americans?

Because some of that tax money might go to some worthless poors and black people, and we won't abide by that. I'm not supporting no freeloaders, no sir, gotta pull yourself up by your bootstraps and pay for your own healthcare or get out of medical debts on your own like a real independent and hard-working American. If you don't like how expensive your healthcare is, find a different provider or insurer. It's like ordering from an expensive restaurant, just choose a cheaper one if you can't afford it. :colbert:

I literally heard a GOP state legislative assistant straight up tell me that last part verbatim when I was lobbying the Ohio legislature to approve the Medicaid expansion in 2014. :suicide: Healthcare is seen as a luxury good to be bought and sold on the free market and not as a fundamental human right to these people. On a more societal level, universal healthcare brings into question our collective national mythos of the archetypal self-made American man.

Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 09:25 on Oct 9, 2016

Alec Bald Snatch
Sep 12, 2012

by exmarx

Instant Sunrise posted:

also after brown v board is conveniently when people started pushing for charter schools and school vouchers

charter schools came along a little later, but they're definitely part of the overall anti-integration backlash

Tiny Brontosaurus
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Antti posted:

Dinochat (Lat. "terrible chat")
:golfclap:

Thanks for indulging the derail, friends. Dinosaurs are just so neat :allears:

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



All right, so I don't want to read 100 pages of this thread. I just want to know if I've missed anything:

1. Donald Trump got outed on a live mic as a pervert and general victimizer of women.
2. Most but not all Republicans are running as hard as they can away from him, denouncing him, telling him to drop out, what have you.
3. Donald looks like he won't drop out.
4. Debate is coming up tomorrow. Shockwaves from the chaos dunk will be felt nationwide.
5. The Russians have finally been accused by the DHS of hacking voting systems.
6. The Russians responded poorly to this and have ramped up tensions.

Anything else that I'm missing specifically?

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
Lol even the terribly lovely UPI/CVOTER poll has Clinton up now.

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.




Grimey Drawer

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Lol even the terribly lovely UPI/CVOTER poll has Clinton up now.

The day he falls behind in the LA times poll is the day he truly loses.

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

Ice Phisherman posted:

All right, so I don't want to read 100 pages of this thread. I just want to know if I've missed anything:

1. Donald Trump got outed on a live mic as a pervert and general victimizer of women.
2. Most but not all Republicans are running as hard as they can away from him, denouncing him, telling him to drop out, what have you.
3. Donald looks like he won't drop out.
4. Debate is coming up tomorrow. Shockwaves from the chaos dunk will be felt nationwide.
5. The Russians have finally been accused by the DHS of hacking voting systems.
6. The Russians responded poorly to this and have ramped up tensions.

Anything else that I'm missing specifically?

The UN Commissioner of Human Rights spoke about how awful Trump is and Russia lost its poo poo over that too.

Tiny Brontosaurus
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Ice Phisherman posted:

All right, so I don't want to read 100 pages of this thread. I just want to know if I've missed anything:

1. Donald Trump got outed on a live mic as a pervert and general victimizer of women.
2. Most but not all Republicans are running as hard as they can away from him, denouncing him, telling him to drop out, what have you.
3. Donald looks like he won't drop out.
4. Debate is coming up tomorrow. Shockwaves from the chaos dunk will be felt nationwide.
5. The Russians have finally been accused by the DHS of hacking voting systems.
6. The Russians responded poorly to this and have ramped up tensions.

Anything else that I'm missing specifically?

The GOP is moving money away from Donnie's campaign and into salvaging the downticket races, and Pence is telling the rumor mill he's thinking of dropping out, presumably to salvage his hopes of a 2020 run

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



JosefStalinator posted:

The day he falls behind in the LA times poll is the day he truly loses.

Keep in mind that Hillary was at 81% now. The polls shouldn't reflect anything for at least another five days. Then the debate. You could see him dip into single digits for winning. Low single digits.

400+ EV presidential/congressional blowout is possible if republicans stay home.

edit:

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

The GOP is moving money away from Donnie's campaign and into salvaging the downticket races, and Pence is telling the rumor mill he's thinking of dropping out, presumably to salvage his hopes of a 2020 run

Thanks buddy. You're a great poster by the by and I often enjoy reading your posts. :)

Question: That Trump is thinking of dropping out or Pence?

Also, if the money dries up and Donald has nothing left to skim from the RNC, what do you think the chances are that he points the finger at them? I'm not sure if a law and order candidate should encourage red on red violence. :colbert:

Ice Phisherman fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Oct 9, 2016

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013

JosefStalinator posted:

The day he falls behind in the LA times poll is the day he truly loses.

He fell behind in that for a while, several times actually.

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



Antti posted:

The UN Commissioner of Human Rights spoke about how awful Trump is and Russia lost its poo poo over that too.

Missed this. Oh poo poo. Isn't that the new one too?

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Geoff Peterson posted:

Nothing (yet). More to the point of how early Dilbert was a bit different than its modern incarnation. I'm sure there are plenty of people who liked his early work who are repulsed by the more recent strips and by Adams.

I thought blog Adams and strip Adams were pretty well segmented- what strips are you talking about?

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

There was also thiiis poo poo yaaaasss

Although iirc many of the dinos were servants and pack animals so for my people it's kind of like that one Tintin where he goes to Africa

TB, I previously thought you were cool.

Now I know you are cool.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

NewMars posted:

He fell behind in that for a while, several times actually.

I can only assume they adjusted their sample group/methodology along the way because even though Trump has been doing worse then ever but he's consistently up 5 on that "poll"

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



sebmojo posted:

I thought blog Adams and strip Adams were pretty well segmented- what strips are you talking about?

Elbonia's tech sector, while backwards and forever in the mud (literally they are eastern european looking bearded tall hatted mud people), is still able to rig the US election system with nothing but a two tin can wired internet connection. (Not really)

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

Sure, that's perfectly scientifically sound. But do they ever talk about the pre-Ark people having to deal with this poo poo? Because they had two-foot long scorpions in prehistoric times. Seems like god could have made good use of that for plagues and smiting and such

The Ark is the third story in the bible so pre-historic animals don't get much screen time. The story goes straight from "Adam and Eve did a bad thing" to "Cain did a bad thing" to "MANY YEARS LATER" and God is so sick of mankind's poo poo he decides to kill them all.

HookedOnChthonics
Dec 5, 2015

Profoundly dull


Dinochat can't be put to bed without at least one link to Love in the Time of Chasmosaurs, the internet's best/only scientifically obsolete dinosaur art review blog.

HookedOnChthonics fucked around with this message at 10:07 on Oct 9, 2016

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

Bread! Bread! Bread!

Bread! BREAD! BREAD!

HarveyxCosmonaut posted:

So many good answers already. I've had republican coworkers also claim that foreign UHC only works because our private system supports medical development. Essentially if the US goes socialist all medical developments would stop and healthcare would collapse because there would be no profit to support it.

I've also heard some racist reasoning that UHC only works in places like Taiwan or Sweden because the population in those countries is so much more homogeneous than ours and so healthcare costs in America are unmitigatably high because we have different kinds of human anatomy to account for (:psyduck:).

E: Strangely enough, I still got access to Taiwan's universal healthcare system and easily paid for a doctor visit out-of-pocket while I was staying in the country despite my inscrutably foreign and enigmatic Caucasian anatomy. :shrug:

Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 09:47 on Oct 9, 2016

Slamhound
Mar 27, 2010

davecrazy posted:

So why didn't Billy Bush give this to Jeb during the Primaries? Aren't they blood relatives? If I was Jeb I'd be pretty pissed.
Listen to him giggling along in the tape. It didn't register to him as being noteworthy or damning in any way. He thought it was awesome and hilarious at the time and they he forgot about it.

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

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Ice Phisherman posted:

Missed this. Oh poo poo. Isn't that the new one too?

Not quite. The next UN Secretary General is the current Commissioner for refugees, not human rights.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/06/demagogues-and-cheats-un-human-rights-chief-condemns-trump-and-wilders

Russia lodged a formal protest about it on the 7th which is why it resurfaced.

Tiny Brontosaurus
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

HookedOnChthonics posted:

Dinochat can't be put to bed without at least one link to Love in the Time of Chasmosaurs, the internet's best/only scientifically obsolete dinosaur art review blog.

aaahh i love this so much thank you

Samovar posted:

TB, I previously thought you were cool.

Now I know you are cool.

Tiny Brontosaurus
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Your Dunkle Sans posted:

I've also heard some racist reasoning that UHC only works in places like Taiwan or Sweden because the population in those countries is so much more homogeneous than ours and so healthcare costs in America are unmitigatably high because we have different kinds of human anatomy to account for (:psyduck:).

There is a correlation there but they have cause/effect switched. Countries with greater racial diversity are more opposed to public benefits in general. It's a legit reason why America can't have nice things, but as always the problem is people bein' dicks, not stormfront science

MarioOnTheComputer
Feb 5, 2002

Bassetking posted:

I had no god-given idea
I wanted to let you know, I googled this phrase and you are only the 3rd person on the internet to say this. Unless those other 2 people are you too, of course.

im gay
Jul 20, 2013

by Lowtax
you think trump is sleeping tonight?

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
SRW Fanatic




Sleep? He doesn't sleep. He just uses his sarcophagus in Trump Tower to maintain his host body. He needs to do this once a day or else his body will deteriorate due to the presence of his goa'uld symbiote.

HookedOnChthonics
Dec 5, 2015

Profoundly dull


Our dino derail is almost certainly a better and more productive use of brainpower and time re: being prepared for the debate tomorrow than whatever Trump is doing right now, I guarantee it.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

im gay posted:

you think trump is sleeping tonight?

Yeah because he's deluded himself that this isn't a big deal.

Red and Black
Sep 5, 2011

FuzzySlippers posted:

https://twitter.com/MalcolmNance/status/784539641529720832

Old but someone mentioned those emails again. Everything that isn't boring poo poo is probably fake.

According to his twitter bio, this guy works in US intelligence and also has offered no evidence for his claims.

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

Instant Sunrise posted:

you're forgetting the 2018 "take back congress" election effort first

So will most of America.

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Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

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Sixteen hours to go. I haven't been this excited for something since the Christmas mornings of my childhood.

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