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Not sure why people keep talking about "kill shots," "fatal blows" and "silver bullets" as if one was necessary tonight or any other night for the Clinton campaign. The election is over and has been so a while, and everything that is being done is to make an indestructible wall to victory.
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Not sure why people keep talking about "kill shots," "fatal blows" and "silver bullets" as if one was necessary tonight or any other night for the Clinton campaign. The election is over and has been so a while, and everything that is being done is to make an indestructible wall to victory. Blood is in the water. We Sharks wanna feed.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:32
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Amergin posted:The debate doesn't happen without him. Without him, it's just a little town hall for Hillary that will garner 0 attention. If you think a presidential nominee refusi ng to debate their opponent for the first time in history will be a nothing event i have a bridge to sell you. This is a straw to grasp if you think this is in any way a brilliant move.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:34
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Trump is holding none of the cards in this, none.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:34
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The whole thing about whether Trump would withdraw or be dumped somehow seems silly to me. I see no scenario where the head of the ticket withdraws or is booted with a month to go that doesn't result in massive loss both up and down the ticket for that party, for reasons that should be fairly obvious if you imagine the scenario for even a moment. The only meaningful aspect of it is whether it gives the people in the party any fig leaf of respectability going forward into future elections but I honestly think it's too late even now for the GOP to salvage that no matter what. The only people who can come out slightly clean are Kasich, Flake, Sasse. Ditto for Pence. He's hosed either way as far as I can see. Ultimately he made the big decision to be on the ticket and that ties him to Trump forever even if he left now. The only reason for him to leave now is not any practical political reason to preserve a future shot at the Presidency (he has none), it would be for personal reasons like he actually felt disgust, shame, moral revulsion to be tied to Pussy Grabbing Guy and if stuff like the Paula Jones circus actually make him feel sick to his stomach being associated with it.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:35
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Lid posted:Trump is holding none of the cards in this, none. Wrong, he's holding five aces and he thinks it's gonna help him win with a five of a kind.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:36
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Not sure why people keep talking about "kill shots," "fatal blows" and "silver bullets" as if one was necessary tonight or any other night for the Clinton campaign. The election is over and has been so a while, and everything that is being done is to make an indestructible wall to victory. T. rex doesn't want to be fed T. rex wants to hunt. Also it helps down ballot voting. I'm embarrassed to be the red district in a sea of blue around me.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:36
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Not sure why people keep talking about "kill shots," "fatal blows" and "silver bullets" as if one was necessary tonight or any other night for the Clinton campaign. The election is over and has been so a while, and everything that is being done is to make an indestructible wall to victory. Not over til it's over. Reminder of Trump's unprecedented fear mongering and essentially blatant calls for his supporters to run voter intimidation tactics on election day.
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Tiler Kiwi posted:they're good insofar that they've sort of fully realized the art of pushing and manipulating narratives. Not among the people outside of Breitbart's target market. Trying to make Bill's infidelity a key campaign issue is a good case in point. As is going full tilt into the "lock her up" thing. Both are really stupid things for the candidate themselves to be doing. That they have Trump doing that straight out of the gates in the debate is not a good sign for the campaign, and a good reason for other GOP members to be skittish.
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Lid posted:If you think a presidential nominee refusi ng to debate their opponent for the first time in history will be a nothing event i have a bridge to sell you. This is a straw to grasp if you think this is in any way a brilliant move. Yeah. And the third debate is I think supposed to be on foreign policy/national security issues(?) that are supposed to be Trump's strong suit, with a Fox News moderator to boot. Furthermore, only people who are winning big in an election (like Trump was in the primaries) have the leverage to call the shots to do things like skip out on a debate. Trump is not in that position, he's losing and losing big. He actually needs debates as they represent opportunities with free media hype and exposure where if he performs well he can make up ground in a way nothing else in the campaign provides (except unpredictable events like economic crashes, super storms and stuff the candidates have no control over). A debate is like an extra possession in a football game, gives you another chance to score a touchdown. Zwabu fucked around with this message at 07:40 on Oct 10, 2016 |
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If Trump skips the third debate, Hillary will get 500 EVs on election day. Skipping a debate is not a winning strategy for him.
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If Trump skips the third debate, even aside from the additional damage it'd do to his campaign, that event becomes a primetime interview between Chris Wallace and Clinton. A free 90-minute soapbox where she gets to field all Wallace's questions (hardball and softball alike) without interruption or pressure, lay out her policy plans without rebuttal, and make infinite jabs at Trump's cowardice. Will as many people watch? Perhaps not. But it'll be a home run with basically everyone who does.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:40
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:someone actually died in my local er a few weeks ago after a 28 hour wait without seeing a doctor and the coroner called our hospital the worse in the western world. i personally had to wait 6 hours in the er with a broken jaw as a kid. yea the healthcare i "free" or whatever but its incredibly bad and costs 50% of our whole budget. All the rich people are definitely going to the USA for treatment. Haha in which Canadian province does healthcare cost 50% of the budget?
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FlamingLiberal posted:Bannon/Conway are the perfect people for Trump because they will just buy into his nonsense and amplify what he says to his crazy alt-right supporters. They are not the kind of people you want to have in charge of a national campaign. https://twitter.com/sullivanamy/status/785368613377179648
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Wrong, he's holding five aces and he thinks it's gonna help him win with a five of a kind. please fancy, he had a family.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:41
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remusclaw posted:Blood is in the water. We Sharks wanna feed. Trump blowing up so completely that the GOP abandons him is probably not ideal, honestly. It's better for him to stay just competitive enough with his own base that the rest of the party stays tethered to him. The best hope for a real down ballot blowout is for the Republicans to ride the Trump train to the end.
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Plus, Trump leaving or getting booted is too easy an out for him. I want him to be eating the vote results on Election Night.
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eviltastic posted:Not among the people outside of Breitbart's target market. Trying to make Bill's infidelity a key campaign issue is a good case in point. As is going full tilt into the "lock her up" thing. Both are really stupid things for the candidate themselves to be doing. That they have Trump doing that straight out of the gates in the debate is not a good sign for the campaign, and a good reason for other GOP members to be skittish. Yeah people don't actually believe that specific nonsense, outside of the people in the right wing camp or the people just parroting whatever their side says, but I have noticed that among centrists I've spoken to, the overall narrative that those stories are meant to create, that of "crooked hillary" and poo poo, catches on, and Trump's outrages are sort of canceled out in their minds without them bothering to really verify their authenticity. They know what the Trump dudes says is poo poo, so they just of reflexively annihilate whatever bit of Trump embarrassment is in the news since now they're both "just as bad". It's very much a "quid pro quo" sort of thing going on that undecided people seem keen to fall for. I think their tactics are held up, thankfully, by the fact they're legit loving awful people that alienate a ton of people and they have a tendency to eat their own, but its the sort of disinformation campaign stuff that worries me. Trump in a sane world should not have gotten this far; I think the fact he has despite being an incredibly terrible human being is a testament to the effectiveness of Breitbart propaganda. I worry someone more palatable and "respectable" will show up in four years to become the great white hope who hasn't so far managed to do poo poo like record himself bragging about sexual assault or the like. Like Pence. this is my own personal arzy i guess. e: I get the sense that the undecideds really want to believe Trump, not because they're horrible, but because the whole story of Take Back Real America has that fascist fools gold lustre quality that hits on romanticist notions. Tiler Kiwi fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Oct 10, 2016 |
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Oct 10, 2016 07:45
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Regarding the health care debate a couple pages ago, and the usual idiots that seem to surface and try to defend the US health care system and attack single payer setups, I always have a great personal anecdote. Years ago in the US I had pain strong enough to show up to an ER in the middle of the night, got an ultrasound, and was kicked out a couple hours later with nothing but some suggestions and a 7k bill I couldn't pay back then. In Australia I had the same pain in the middle of the night, showed up to an ER, got seen a half hour later, ultrasound 3 hours later, keyhole surgery 5 hours after that, had a lovely private room and was discharged from the hospital the next morning with absolutely 0 dollars owed. Yeah... keep talking about how lovely health care is outside of US. America has the worst loving healthcare possible in the first world.
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Paradoxish posted:Trump blowing up so completely that the GOP abandons him is probably not ideal, honestly. It's better for him to stay just competitive enough with his own base that the rest of the party stays tethered to him. The best hope for a real down ballot blowout is for the Republicans to ride the Trump train to the end. Oh I know. It's a tight rope walk at this point. We have to string him and them along all the way up to election day, dropping scandal after scandal but trying to avoid the real murder blow until like Nov 5-7 for maximum carnage. I don't even know that anyone even has such a real killer available, and if it's not in the Clinton's hands, it could easily be dropped early like the Pussy bus tape. Feels good to see them squirm though, just need to edge until the time is right.
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Zwabu posted:Plus, Trump leaving or getting booted is too easy an out for him. I want him to be eating the vote results on Election Night. It'll be cool when he's dead as a slab before the polls close central time.
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Paradoxish posted:Trump blowing up so completely that the GOP abandons him is probably not ideal, honestly. It's better for him to stay just competitive enough with his own base that the rest of the party stays tethered to him. The best hope for a real down ballot blowout is for the Republicans to ride the Trump train to the end. I disagree. The main factor in a downballot blowout is how motivated republicans are to bother voting. The more Trump blows up, the more demoralized they'll be, and the less likely they'll be to go to the polls-- whether or not the downticket Republicans keep their wagon hitched to him.
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Gyges posted:The Birther movement had it's first iteration back in 2004 when he ran for Senate. It would have started even earlier when he ran for Illinois Senate but no one gives a poo poo about secret Kenyans in their state house. Especially if said secret Kenyan is representing a black area.
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trash person posted:I'm really glad ~48 hours of Trump and his team's brainstorming led literally only to, "Hey guys what if we just made Bill Clinton shake hands with his accusers???" Can you switch usernames with Amergin
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Didn't the pussygrab source say there was more and there was worse? Or was that just Clinton?
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Paradoxish posted:Trump blowing up so completely that the GOP abandons him is probably not ideal, honestly. It's better for him to stay just competitive enough with his own base that the rest of the party stays tethered to him. The best hope for a real down ballot blowout is for the Republicans to ride the Trump train to the end. The "civil war" dynamic would be pretty brutal. The Republican party kind of can't survive angry white men turning on them.
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Bip Roberts posted:It'll be cool when he's dead as a slab before the polls close central time. Yeah, too tired tonight but tomorrow morning I want to take a look at 270towin and game out what's the earliest time 270 EVs can be confirmed, if, say, she wins the whole Midwest, FL, NC and VA. Someone asked me "what if he doesn't concede"? If he's getting his rear end beat BIGLY, I would think that she could wait a couple hours after hitting 270 EV and then just give her speech. No reason for her supporters to have to stay up til 1AM or not hear a victory speech just because he decided to be a tool like always.
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Zwabu posted:Yeah, too tired tonight but tomorrow morning I want to take a look at 270towin and game out what's the earliest time 270 EVs can be confirmed, if, say, she wins the whole Midwest, FL, NC and VA. If he's losing exit polls in Georgia you can probably call it a day.
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Islam is the Lite Rock FM posted:Didn't the pussygrab source say there was more and there was worse? Or was that just Clinton? Can everyone just agree to call it pussygate?
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Islam is the Lite Rock FM posted:Didn't the pussygrab source say there was more and there was worse? Or was that just Clinton? I think someone said that Access Hollywood had more footage, but I don't know who said it. But it was definitely a thing someone said on CNN the last few days
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Tom Guycot posted:Can everyone just agree to call it pussygate? Igrab Cuntra Affair
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Tom Guycot posted:Can everyone just agree to call it pussygate? It's pussyghazi by the style of these times.
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The NY times flowchart says FL, NC, VA end it. Those three will be earliest unless FL fucks up and goes slow.
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Bip Roberts posted:It's pussyghazi by the style of these times. Pussghazi? Benpussi?
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DeusExMachinima posted:Hillary doesn't want it and basically nobody in America wants to pay the tax rate necessary to make single payer happen. Deal with it. I will. I will deal with it. For about ten to twenty years less than you will.
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If Trump blows up and the party abandons him, he'll tell his supporters to go vote for him and leave the rest of the ballot blank. His debate performance tonight will jazz up those supporters, and the upcoming video releases of him being a shitler won't phase them but will lead to more un-endorsements.
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gently caress adding gate to the end of scandals. gently caress it forever.
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:someone actually died in my local er a few weeks ago after a 28 hour wait without seeing a doctor and the coroner called our hospital the worse in the western world. i personally had to wait 6 hours in the er with a broken jaw as a kid. yea the healthcare i "free" or whatever but its incredibly bad and costs 50% of our whole budget. All the rich people are definitely going to the USA for treatment. which hospital is this because i certainly have heard nothing about it or you could be full of poo poo that also has no understanding of triage. like holy poo poo your post is incredibly full of poo poo. Agrajag fucked around with this message at 08:01 on Oct 10, 2016 |
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Yoshifan823 posted:Pussghazi? It's the Igrab-Cuntra Affair.
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