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DaveWoo
Aug 14, 2004

Fun Shoe

Just don't call them deplorable, it makes them very upset.

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Academician Nomad
Jan 29, 2016
Uh oh someone mentioned Gawker again, time to skip 30 pages while the same arguments happen again and again.

D O R K Y
Sep 1, 2001


Is that a mistake in the transcript or do the first two sentences contradict each other?

I know the answer but humor me.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Trabisnikof posted:

So are you just opposed to releasing a sex tape if no crime is committed?

If there was a tape of a politician saying the most heinous thing you can imagine but they deny the stills and audio are them, claiming it as a hatchet job, still then releasing it is uncalled for?

What if it's just someone jacking off? Or like a Hillary/Donald slashfic come to life, where they both say horrible things and are public figures? Or if it something important but impossible to prove with just a still image or two and audio?

If you are against procedural maneuvering are you sure you're on the right side of this case? There was a lot of procedural maneuvering to ruin Gawker regardless of the final outcome.


I would be against it. Also yes I am against how the case was taken to trial, that was unethical. But then so was Gawker and they deserved to pay for what theydid against public decency. Alsoif a crime has been commitedit should be released to the authorities not some tabloid. Like your sainted Gawker.

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Dork457 posted:

Is that a mistake in the transcript or do the first two sentences contradict each other?

I know the answer but humor me.

Donald J. Trump has never contradicted himself before. He has contradicted himself in the past.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Trabisnikof posted:

It so let's say Trump wants to sue these organizations so he can use the lawsuit as justification to discredit all they say. But he will lose, so this is a stunt that needs to last until Election Day so who cares what part he disputes? Dispute something so you can call them liars in campaign speeches.

It'll only discredit them with the base of people already firmly in his camp.

The people who are actually somehow still undecided? They'll see every major news outlet covering "TRUMP SUES MULTIPLE WOMEN FOR ACCUSING HIM OF ABUSE" and Trump will drop another point or two in the polls.

Xae posted:

Yeah, everyone who celebrated Gawker going under better be eatin' some crow right now.

YEAH!

...except the cases aren't even close to the same, and the only reason a Trump vs. NYT lawsuit would go forward would be because the NYT wants to burn Trump to nothing instead of just asking to have the case dismissed immediately (which they, and People, would probably do for both of these groundless claims). There's an actual argument that the public doesn't have a need/right to see Hogan loving a woman on a tape he didn't want to have released, and it's worlds better than a Trump argument of "these women said a thing I think is bad, so I'm going to sue the media" when he's running for President since that makes the content of his character one of the most important public matters you could possibly have.

overdesigned
Apr 10, 2003

We are compassion...
Lipstick Apathy

ohiovoters2.jpg

https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/786733379567820800

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Spaced God posted:

https://twitter.com/ScottBaio/status/786730841741275137
gently caress you scott baio.
I don't even know where to start here.

Michael Jackson
Roger Ailes
Bill Cosby
Jimmy Saville

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Academician Nomad posted:

Uh oh someone mentioned Gawker again, time to skip 30 pages while the same arguments happen again and again.


I look forward to your post in 30 pages asking "I just skipped 30 pages what did I miss?"




Crowsbeak posted:

I would be against it. Also yes I am against how the case was taken to trial, that was unethical. But then so was Gawker and they deserved to pay for what theydid against public decency. Alsoif a crime has been commitedit should be released to the authorities not some tabloid. Like your sainted Gawker.

Yeah clearly you have a much more narrow view of public interest than I. If Trump or Clinton had a video with them saying the N-word during sex I would argue it is the public interest.

In this media environment it is a joke to say audio or still photos are as convincing as video. Trump's bragging about sexual assault hurt him worse because it is a video and not just audio and a still of him leaving the bus.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Spaced God posted:

https://twitter.com/ScottBaio/status/786730841741275137
gently caress you scott baio.
I don't even know where to start here.
No one cares what you think Scott Baio.

Ogmius815
Aug 25, 2005
centrism is a hell of a drug

happyhippy posted:

Michael Jackson
Roger Ailes
Bill Cosby
Jimmy Saville

Wait what did Michael Jackson do?

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.


It looks more like a tank top.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Ogmius815 posted:

Wait what did Michael Jackson do?

Many people believe he raped children.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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Ogmius815 posted:

Wait what did Michael Jackson do?
I thought Jackson got some post-mortem exoneration for all the "wacko Jacko" stuff. Like he was clearly a deeply weird guy but it dispelled the pedo rumors. Ironically enough.

Maybe I'm wrong.

Iron Lung
Jul 24, 2007
Life.Iron Lung. Death.

Speaking of word clouds, can someone make one of how many times we're going to say "I'm gonna miss Obama(s)." because god loving drat it I am going to miss them so much.

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



Trabisnikof posted:

Many people believe he raped children.

Didn't it also just come out relatively recently he had child/animal porn on his computer, too?

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Trabisnikof posted:

Yeah clearly you have a much more narrow view of public interest than I. If Trump or Clinton had a video with them saying the N-word during sex I would argue it is the public interest.

In this media environment it is a joke to say audio or still photos are as convincing as video. Trump's bragging about sexual assault hurt him worse because it is a video and not just audio and a still of him leaving the bus.

Well its called having standards.


Spaced God posted:

https://twitter.com/ScottBaio/status/786730841741275137
gently caress you scott baio.
I don't even know where to start here.

"Murray" like Rothbard?

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Sorry but she's decidedly not a 10.

Ogmius815
Aug 25, 2005
centrism is a hell of a drug

Trabisnikof posted:

Many people believe he raped children.

Not guilty motherfucker.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Spaced God posted:

Didn't it also just come out relatively recently he had child/animal porn on his computer, too?
He had a bunch of what were described as "child artistic nudes". That's what they call them when you're rich.

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/pressfreedom/status/786617498267287556

did we miss this? I feel like we missed this

Armani
Jun 22, 2008

Now it's been 17 summers since I've seen my mother

But every night I see her smile inside my dreams

gfsincere posted:

I like it when I get to introduce people to Dance Floor Dale.

Also, Dance Floor Dale is super NWS if you happen to find the full uncensored version.

OK, you're already awesome but now you're like a top ten. I swear to God I thought I was the only one who has ever posted about that video. It's breathtaking. (For those who want just the song, it's Parisian Goldfish by Flying Lotus).

...I don't care if that was 40 pages ago. This election is giving me heart disease and I want every opportunity to talk about Flylo and Tim&Eric before I die.

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON
Goddamnt, this is going to come down to some white dude claiming to have witnessed Trump literally raping someone for these women to be believed by so many idiots isn't it.

e or maybe filming it, turning the camera around on himself to show his whiteness.

Inferior Third Season
Jan 15, 2005

Party Plane Jones posted:

It might be referencing the Chinese lack of good samaritan laws; where people won't help each other for fear of being sued. So she trips in Tiananmen square, they won't help her up. That's my take on it, anyways (its super incoherent)
That requires more knowledge of current events in China than Trump has.

I guarantee the train of thought was this:
China -> Tiananmen Square (the only thing he knows of China) -> picture of guy in front of tank (the only thing he knows of Tiananmen Square) -> they must have tanks running over people in Tiananmen Square all the time -> I wish Hillary got run over by a tank -> if Hillary was in Tiananmen Square, she would get run over by a tank -> Hillary could probably run away from a tank -> if Hillary fell over in Tiananmen Square, she would get run over by a tank -> if Hillary was going to get run over by a tank, I would not stop it -> if Hillary trips in Tiananmen Square, nobody will help her up

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.


Is this a big deal? This feels like a big deal. Don't they spend most of their time trying to defend journalists from dictators and gangsters?

TheScott2K
Oct 26, 2003

I'm just saying, there's a nonzero chance Trump has a really toad penis.

Armani posted:

OK, you're already awesome but now you're like a top ten. I swear to God I thought I was the only one who has ever posted about that video. It's breathtaking. (For those who want just the song, it's Parisian Goldfish by Flying Lotus).

...I don't care if that was 40 pages ago. This election is giving me heart disease and I want every opportunity to talk about Flylo and Tim&Eric before I die.

The gently caress did I just watch

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Crowsbeak posted:

Well its called having standards.


"Murray" like Rothbard?

I sometimes forget how strong Puritanical thought still is in America

disjoe
Feb 18, 2011


ErIog posted:

Did it involve saying that nobody gave a gently caress when the Jill Harth story broke in July, but that Trump himself admitting to that kind of behavior being leaked on tape would maybe make their stories more believable in the eyes of the public and maybe less life-ruining?

I mean, it's very easy to explain why none of these specific women came forward until now. Look at what happened to the women who did.

Trump should probably not use that argument in debate 3, but he probably will because he's a super dumb motherfucker. This Melania intimidation poo poo today is real hosed too.

His entire anti-Hillary argument with Bill's affairs is that she went after his victims public. Now his own wife appears to be going after his own victims publicly. It's like he's trying to systematically undermine every single anti-Hillary claim that has ever come out of his mouth.

She was generally more talking about how it's an intensely personal and difficult decision (for a lot of the reasons you mention) and that they just try their hardest to forget, so it can take something as personally insulting as watching Trump say "NOPE NOTHIG HAPPENED" to overcome the barriers to coming out.

I'm certainly missing a lot of what she said and it's more complicated than even that. But it was powerful and informative.

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa

Night10194 posted:

Is this a big deal? This feels like a big deal. Don't they spend most of their time trying to defend journalists from dictators and gangsters?

Well, I mean, Trump is a gangster and is aspiring to be a dictator so it checks out?

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Trabisnikof posted:

I sometimes forget how strong Puritanical thought still is in America

People having the right to privacy is puritanical. Good to know.

FuzzySlippers
Feb 6, 2009


I just. Why?

ErIog
Jul 11, 2001

:nsacloud:

skylined! posted:

Goddamnt, this is going to come down to some white dude claiming to have witnessed Trump literally raping someone for these women to be believed by so many idiots isn't it.

e or maybe filming it, turning the camera around on himself to show his whiteness.

Nah, Trump supporters are all in on the conspiracies since right wing media has fed them a steady diet of them over the past few decades. So even if a white man were to come out and claim he and Trump raped people together and he has a Thank You card from Trump that says, "Yo bruh, A+ would rape with you again," they would just say he's part of the globalist GOP elite conspiracy to take down Trump.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


skylined! posted:

Goddamnt, this is going to come down to some white dude claiming to have witnessed Trump literally raping someone for these women to be believed by so many idiots isn't it.

e or maybe filming it, turning the camera around on himself to show his whiteness.
Supposing this was the case they'd probably insist on releasing the guy's genealogy records to determine if he's really white.

ErIog
Jul 11, 2001

:nsacloud:

FuzzySlippers posted:

I just. Why?

Partisanship and the hatred of "PC culture" is a hell of a drug.

Also, I want someone to ask her why she drew an arrow pointing down instead of writing "pussy" on her shirt? Is she too PC?

Ghetto Prince
Sep 11, 2010

got to be mellow, y'all

Spaced God posted:

Didn't it also just come out relatively recently he had child/animal porn on his computer, too?

Supposedly, Biggie knew about that.

http://hiphopdx.com/news/id.25604/title.lil-cease-says-the-notorious-b-i-g-distrusted-michael-jackson-around-kids

lozzle
Oct 22, 2012

by zen death robot

ErIog posted:

Also, I want someone to ask her why she drew an arrow pointing down instead of writing "pussy" on her shirt? Is she too PC?

I actually feel like it's more graphic this way.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



ErIog posted:

Nah, Trump supporters are all in on the conspiracies since right wing media has fed them a steady diet of them over the past few decades. So even if a white man were to come out and claim he and Trump raped people together and he has a Thank You card from Trump that says, "Yo bruh, A+ would rape with you again," they would just say he's part of the globalist GOP elite conspiracy to take down Trump.
Then let their own words drat them.

disjoe
Feb 18, 2011


skylined! posted:

Goddamnt, this is going to come down to some white dude claiming to have witnessed Trump literally raping someone for these women to be believed by so many idiots isn't it.

e or maybe filming it, turning the camera around on himself to show his whiteness.

There will never be enough evidence. Ever.

They will literally no poo poo say (maybe have said) that having a rapist Trump in the White House is preferable to Hillary.

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!




Well now we know who killed Biggie :tinfoil:

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Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

Sarah Palin not looking too good.

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