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MacheteZombie posted:Of course he won't try to kill Bucky. Cap wrote him a letter! If Stark cared to, he could probably hit Wakanda with an orbital laser. Stark is impulsive, emotional, and in Civil War has been cut off from almost his entire support structure. Pepper broke up with him, Widow is secretly working against him, Vision is still figuring out who and what he is, and Steve - the one man Stark knows who is not simply supposed to be but actually is incorruptible and good - is going rogue. That's not the same thing as Stark being stupid, though. Look at Stark's relationship with Rhodey. My read is that once Stark calmed down and thought about it, he understands what Steve did for Bucky. Stark would have done the same for Rhodey. Once the immediate emotion and Stark's characteristic FIX IT FIX IT FIX IT response subsides, Stark does care about people and wants what's best for them.
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MacheteZombie posted:The movie would be so much better without the airport fight (and the bit just before where Sharon Carter gives them their gear) and the letter ending. You mean the scene where Bucky uncomfortably shifts position in the tiny car after Falcon passive-aggressively refuses to move his seat forward? And they both give Cap a reeeeeally pained smile after he kissed Sharon? I thought that was one of the best scenes.
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Oct 24, 2016 18:53
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Guy Goodbody posted:I mean, what do you want Steve to have written, "You're a terrible person Tony and I won't help you fight Thanos because you were mean to my friend" This literally should have been the last spoken line of Infinity War Part I if it was still going to be two movies.
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Oct 24, 2016 19:11
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I think people are running into problems interpreting Civil War because they want everything to be about larger issues, and Steve, in this film, doesn't actually care that much about larger issues (although Tony does). Steve isn't actually saying that everybody should be able to do whatever they think is best; he's just saying that he personally (and by extension the Avengers) is going to. This isn't super consistent, ideologically, but Steve has always been about doing the good that's in front of him and about not putting up with present injustice to serve a nebulous greater good.
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Guy Goodbody posted:I really doubt Tony is going to try to kill Bucky on sight in Avengers 3. He didn't even in Civil War itself, so I really doubt he would in Infinity War. He has Bucky dead to rights at one point with Cap still out of the fight temporarily and shifts from a lethal shot to a non lethal shot that just puts him unconscious. And then he and Cap have their big tussle. It's quite sloppy in a way, but alternately you could see Tony as being conflicted about what to do and who to be angry at and just acting on the spur of the moment and off his emotions most of the fight - reeling them in when it's important and sparing Bucky to take his anger out on Cap instead.
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Cythereal posted:Stark is impulsive, emotional, and in Civil War has been cut off from almost his entire support structure. Pepper broke up with him, Widow is secretly working against him, Vision is still figuring out who and what he is, and Steve - the one man Stark knows who is not simply supposed to be but actually is incorruptible and good - is going rogue. That's not the same thing as Stark being stupid, though. Rand Brittain posted:I think people are running into problems interpreting Civil War because they want everything to be about larger issues, and Steve, in this film, doesn't actually care that much about larger issues (although Tony does). quote:Steve has always been about doing the good that's in front of him and about not putting up with present injustice to serve a nebulous greater good.
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Rand Brittain posted:This isn't super consistent, ideologically, but Steve has always been about doing the good that's in front of him and about not putting up with present injustice to serve a nebulous greater good. Which instances can you think of? At least pre-Civil War, we had him fight with people who turned out to either be literal Nazis or completely wrong in all aspects. Like the closest thing would be in Avengers when he discovers the secret weapons and threatens to break up everyone over it, but he's vindicated by that because it turns out the organization he's working for is literally a bunch of Nazis, again.
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Guy Goodbody posted:I mean, what do you want Steve to have written, "You're a terrible person Tony and I won't help you fight Thanos because you were mean to my friend" Well no obviously not. And again, I think you're spot on about Steve forgiving Tony. I also think Steve is the kind of guy to be the bigger man and write the letter to apologize for his (I believe much smaller) role in the fight, while Tony sulks around the complex. But there's tons of degrees between "we're best friends again" and "we're enemies forever" and I don't fault M'sJ for wishing Steve had expressed a little more of his own hurt over Tony's destructive actions, and for Tony himself to show more regret. It was a common complaint that the letter felt a little too much of a clean wrap-up so that Infinity War could hit the ground running with a curt nod or whatever.
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computer parts posted:Which instances can you think of? At least pre-Civil War, we had him fight with people who turned out to either be literal Nazis or completely wrong in all aspects. In The First Avenger, the army command wants Steve to sit around and do publicity stunts rather than risk losing the only super-soldier they actually have, but when the opportunity to rescue Bucky and a bunch of other soldiers comes up, he ignores them and goes off to do the mission solo. In The Winter Soldier, Nick Fury has instituted a massive program to pre-murder people that SHIELD thinks might be dangerous, and Steven is unwilling to accept this as for the "greater good."
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Rand Brittain posted:In The Winter Soldier, Nick Fury has instituted a massive program to pre-murder people that SHIELD thinks might be dangerous, and Steven is unwilling to accept this as for the "greater good." It's not his program.
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computer parts posted:It's not his program. He does a whole sales pitch on it to Cap, seems like it's at least a little bit his program.
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Neo Rasa posted:Nick Fury: Just Following Orders What do you think the "J" in "Nicholas J. Fury" stands for?
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Grendels Dad posted:You mean the scene where Bucky uncomfortably shifts position in the tiny car after Falcon passive-aggressively refuses to move his seat forward? And they both give Cap a reeeeeally pained smile after he kissed Sharon? That's the one!
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Grendels Dad posted:You mean the scene where Bucky uncomfortably shifts position in the tiny car after Falcon passive-aggressively refuses to move his seat forward? And they both give Cap a reeeeeally pained smile after he kissed Sharon? I didnt think there was anything passive-aggressive about Falcon refusing : "Can you move your seat up?" "No." Seems pretty straightforward to me.
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Phylodox posted:What do you think the "J" in "Nicholas J. Fury" stands for? Jules.
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Pussy Quipped posted:I didnt think there was anything passive-aggressive about Falcon refusing : There was so much disdain in his voice, he had to have been just crunching him for fun. That's my favorite scene in the movie, followed by both of them on the ground after Spider-Man kicks their asses and Falcon just simply says "I hate you." in response to Bucky asking if he could have summoned his drone earlier. I'd watch a whole movie of Steve's new best friend hating Steve's old best friend who is the cause of all of Steve's new best friend's troubles. Phylodox posted:What do you think the "J" in "Nicholas J. Fury" stands for? Josephine. It's why he's overcompensating so hard.
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It turns out Infinity War is about Thanos trying to be Steve's new best friend
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Soul Glo posted:There was so much disdain in his voice, he had to have been just crunching him for fun. That's my favorite scene in the movie, followed by both of them on the ground after Spider-Man kicks their asses and Falcon just simply says "I hate you." in response to Bucky asking if he could have summoned his drone earlier. That's how I read it too, Falcon just being super-petty. It's such a fun little aside moment but I guess it qualifies as quips and such things cannot be tolerated. quote:I'd watch a whole movie of Steve's new best friend hating Steve's old best friend who is the cause of all of Steve's new best friend's troubles. I know a lot of Marvel C and DD-listers get Netflix shows and whatnot, but what I am missing in this whole MCUniverse thing is spinoff movies like this. It is no surprise that Cap and Iron Man and Thor
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Hmm, I read the scene as the car being so small and lovely falcon literally could not move his seat forward.
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greatn posted:Hmm, I read the scene as the car being so small and lovely falcon literally could not move his seat forward. Anthony Mackie would act the hell out of this scene and it would be loving hilarious.
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greatn posted:Hmm, I read the scene as the car being so small and lovely falcon literally could not move his seat forward. It's an old-rear end VW beetle, it's designed to be that way but would probably survive the first Avengers movie.
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The two local movie theaters for me do not have screening times for Doctor Strange yet??? o.o But they have schedules for Fantastic Beasts, I am so confused right now.Grendels Dad posted:It's an old-rear end VW beetle, it's designed to be that way but would probably survive the first Avengers movie. Absolutely no adult in existence can fit in the back of a VW Beetle basically.
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Rand Brittain posted:In The First Avenger, the army command wants Steve to sit around and do publicity stunts rather than risk losing the only super-soldier they actually have, but when the opportunity to rescue Bucky and a bunch of other soldiers comes up, he ignores them and goes off to do the mission solo. Those same instincts are there when he becomes a vigilante waging a private war in a crowded marketplace, but he's become a paranoid anarcho-libertarian. His state of mind is not unlike Batman in BvS.
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Grendels Dad posted:That's how I read it too, Falcon just being super-petty. It's such a fun little aside moment but I guess it qualifies as quips and such things cannot be tolerated. It's not so much the "quips" I find the scene superfluous and an excuse to push an unnecessary romance subplot.
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MacheteZombie posted:It's not so much the "quips" You think Bucky and Falcon are gonna hook up?
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Played around with giphy during a break at work and figured I'd cross-post this from BSS since in some senses, Spiderman is a comic book character and his movies can be fun.
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Guy Goodbody posted:You think Bucky and Falcon are gonna hook up? That's what I'm getting at.
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Spider-Man 2 is really good. I wish any of the Marvel movies were that cheerfully absurd and melodramatic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRJiF1lnGO8 I'm Spider-Man no more...no more.
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MacheteZombie posted:That's what I'm getting at. They have to hate gently caress something.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Spider-Man 2 is really good. I wish any of the Marvel movies were that cheerfully absurd and melodramatic. So much of the cheesiness is them committing to having Peter say the line of the famous story. You gotta love that. Like if Spider-Man was trapped under a huge pile of machine debris and at some point during the process of trying to lift it off or accept his fate they somehow worked it in to have him say "Well, if this be my destiny!"
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Spider-Man 2 is really good. I wish any of the Marvel movies were that cheerfully absurd and melodramatic. Cameo: Darkman alley.
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Spider-Man 1 and 2 are the best Spider-Man movies asm1 is better than asm2 but asm2 is better Spider-Man 3,batman forever is also a good batman movie. Fight me.
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:Spider-Man 1 and 2 are the best Spider-Man movies asm1 is better than asm2 but asm2 is better Spider-Man 3,batman forever is also a good batman movie. Batman Forever is trash.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Batman Forever is trash. Batman forever had the best batman soundtrack, the best suit and a good gotham (not as good as tim burtons but good on it's own) Kilmer was a good batman.
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Yeah but it also had half man, half party-animal Two Face. It's like half of him fell in a pit of Concentrated 90s Extreme. It has not aged well.
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:Batman forever had the best batman soundtrack, the best suit and a good gotham (not as good as tim burtons but good on it's own) Kilmer was a good batman. I agree with all of this. In particular I was absolutely obsessed with the design of the city. However, the movie itself is still balls.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Yeah but it also had half man, half party-animal Two Face. Totally agreed,two face was going to be a lot less kid friendly but they changed it :/
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I agree with all of this. In particular I was absolutely obsessed with the design of the city. However, the movie itself is still balls. It was the first batman movie I saw at the cinema, I was four years old so I have a soft spot for it 
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:It was the first batman movie I saw at the cinema, I was four years old so I have a soft spot for it I was 11 so I wasn't at the age yet where I knew movies could be bad. Between that and Judge Dredd I was in hog heaven.
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