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Bird in a Blender
Nov 17, 2005

It's amazing what they can do with computers these days.

canepazzo posted:

I like that we're at a point where a dead-heat in AZ is disappointing.

Have this as a chaser:

https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/790961905737273344


Does Arizona have really good early voting access, or easy access to absentee ballots? 40% of voters seems extremely high with two weeks to go.

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Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Geostomp posted:

He has no comphension of others and believes himself to the a true genius "master persuader" because he made millions on a full comic strip. He's also a raging MRA.

So no, he does not know what bullying is.

He also believes wanting things and writing down that they'll happen makes them true.

The Secret style bullshit, basically.

Armani
Jun 22, 2008

Now it's been 17 summers since I've seen my mother

But every night I see her smile inside my dreams

Koalas March posted:

❓❔❓❔

I don't get it.

Your list was excellent <3 and as a former Mormon was super cool to read about your experiences. :unsmith: I used to coordinate all those events with my mom at my ward for like 12 years straight. I kinda miss doing it, honestly.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

Bird in a Blender posted:

Does Arizona have really good early voting access, or easy access to absentee ballots? 40% of voters seems extremely high with two weeks to go.

40% of people willing to answer a poll.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Bird in a Blender posted:

Does Arizona have really good early voting access, or easy access to absentee ballots? 40% of voters seems extremely high with two weeks to go.

No, in fact they just reduced a bunch of polling places this year. It's why the Bernbros had conspiracy theories about Arizona too.

roymorrison
Jul 26, 2005

Goatman Sacks posted:

"I had a bad life that's why I shot that Iraqi girl after raping her"

Regardless of what life circumstances caused you to devolve into an animal, you're still an animal.

What are you even on about

Roark
Dec 1, 2009

A moderate man - a violently moderate man.

FlamingLiberal posted:

Al Smith Dinner.

I'm reading a book about FDR right now and he was the former Gov of NY who ran in the 1920s for president a few times and got destroyed. He then opposed FDR in the 1932 Democratic Primary. They were friends prior to that but Smith was extremely pro business and FDR not at all. That was the big split between them.

Smith was also the first Catholic major party candidate in 1928, as well as the first "ethnic" candidate (his mother was Irish Catholic and his father was from a mixed Italian and German background; they anglicized the name to "Smith" before he was born.) He was also one of the first candidates to have broadcast media problems: he had a heavy "working class" New York accent and there's some evidence that it damaged his campaign in the South and West. Rural voters thought he sounded "big city" and "foreign" on the radio.

CAROL
Oct 29, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Poors can do no wrong.

Goatman Sacks
Apr 4, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

roymorrison posted:

What are you even on about

Marines are Bad People.

There are several military branches that you can join. The Marines explicitly market themselves as the frontline murderkings that may or may not fight dragons. If you join them over another branch, it calls into question your humanity.

Svanja
Sep 19, 2009

VH4Ever posted:

Yeah some idiot at work told me only people with special circumstances can vote early in TX. This person was wrong. Gonna try to vote this week, maybe on Friday, got a polling place right near my house.

Make sure to check if your polling place is open for early voting! Not all of them are. Just google Early Voting in Texas and Google has made it so that any info you need is right there. Should be a place you can list your address and the google map will show you the open polling place near you. The one in my neighborhood was not open, so I had to drive a little bit.

I went there really early- 7:45 am, after dropping my son off at school. I saw a Merry Maid vehicle and a couple of service trucks, all driven by non-whites, so a lot of people are voting right before heading to work. I was just so super jazzed at the amount of people there. It was pretty steady at that time.

Looks like early turnout is up all over Texas!
https://www.texastribune.org/2016/10/25/early-voting-breaking-records-texas-10-biggest-cou/

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

Night10194 posted:

He also believes wanting things and writing down that they'll happen makes them true.

The Secret style bullshit, basically.
Yeah, I always thought this was overblown (like that he believed "writing down a thing a bunch made you think more about it and work harder for it") but he literally believes he can change reality with the power of these "affirmations".

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

eightpole posted:

Poors can do no wrong.

Do you morally judge people based on the choices available to them or the choices you feel should be available to them?

roymorrison
Jul 26, 2005

Goatman Sacks posted:

Marines are Bad People.

There are several military branches that you can join. The Marines explicitly market themselves as the frontline murderkings that may or may not fight dragons. If you join them over another branch, it calls into question your humanity.

You sound like one of the 18 year olds who joins maybe you should give it a shot

Zanzibar Ham
Mar 17, 2009

You giving me the cold shoulder? How cruel.


Grimey Drawer
I guess he trusted Trump's Master Persuader skills too much to use his Secret affirmation powers to tilt the elections his way.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Liquid Communism posted:

The dirty secret is the places in Iowa with jobs aren't that bad.

Des Moines is pretty shockingly liberal for people who expect a GOP wasteland. Remember, Iowa's gone blue most of the last twenty years of presidential elections.

kilroy is just working out their childhood frustrations by being rabidly against anything a republican touched

really though the problem with the midwest is the climate, this is why people are moving to the sunbelt (except atlanta, it's terrible, do not move to atlanta)

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Trabisnikof posted:

Do you morally judge people based on the choices available to them or the choices you feel should be available to them?

I don't think its a binary

You can consider the exogenous motivations while also condemning the endogenous decision to act

Northjayhawk
Mar 8, 2008

by exmarx

Crows Turn Off posted:

It is amazing how much support Trump has from military personnel considering how disrespectful he's been to them his entire campaign.

You have to grade that poll on a curve. This is similar to seeing 20% of Republicans voting for Hillary or Johnson, which is terrible even though that translates to +60. It should be like +85-90

Being only +21 over the Democrat among active military is incredibly terrible for a Republican. Romney was +40

eviltastic
Feb 8, 2004

Fan of Britches

Talmonis posted:

"Opposed to bullying." "Endorsing Donald Trump."

What the actual gently caress? Does this person not understand what a bully is?

Scott Adams is one of those people who consume media uncritically while believing they're doing the exact opposite. In this case, conservative alt-right stuff, because as others said he's an MRA weirdo. His twitter and blog are an interesting window into the mind of a trump supporter. If you can get past him accusing half the internet of experiencing cognitive dissonance, anyway. Although his new thing seems to be calling people bullies.

Coheed and Camembert posted:

It's really weird how the 2016 election has convinced everyone that Scott Adams is a huge dweeb, but I'll take it.

Those of us who suffered through the Dilbert Principle and God's Debris were already well aware.

eviltastic fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Oct 25, 2016

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
On the topic of the Donnie brand burning.

Yesterday a couple of women goons(nasty women?) mentioned that Ivanka brand stuff have been in the discount bin lately , I also heard the same thing during a public radio segment/listener call-in.

News12 NJ also reported that an apartment is once again trying to dump the Donnie name.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

eviltastic posted:

Scott Adams is one of those people who consume media uncritically while believing they're doing the exact opposite. In this case, conservative alt-right stuff, because as others said he's an MRA weirdo. His twitter and blog are an interesting window into the mind of a trump supporter. If you can get past him accusing half the internet of experiencing cognitive dissonance, anyway.


Those of us who suffered through the Dilbert Principle and God's Debris were already well aware.

Scott Adams is a sad old rambling husk of Dunning-Kruger

Admiral Ray
May 17, 2014

Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy

computer parts posted:

They're all living wages, but because there's a finite number of doctors it makes sense to incentivize the roles that have the most impact.

They're a helluva a lot more than living wages. Those wages put them close to the top 1% (which is ~$450k, I think) of the US. I do get the market pushing more money to, say, cardiology and dermatology, but as far as most impact goes (I assume you mean on the nation's health) I don't think we can trust pay rates to illustrate that effectively. It does show that the hospitals or group practices employing them demand them more/those doctors inhabit a niche that allows them to demand more money, but that's as far as I'm willing to go.

Zanzibar Ham
Mar 17, 2009

You giving me the cold shoulder? How cruel.


Grimey Drawer
Maybe Scott Adam's affirmation technique is like a Monkey's Paw, so everything technically goes as he asked but in the wrong ways.

TheBigAristotle
Feb 8, 2007

I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money.
I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.

Grimey Drawer

Talmonis posted:

"Opposed to bullying." "Endorsing Donald Trump."

What the actual gently caress? Does this person not understand what a bully is?

This is all part of his persuasion. He's planting the seed of doubt in your head. By the time you get into the voting booth, you'll be wondering two things:

"Am I the bully?"

and

"I feel like I should buy a Dogbert coffee mug and/or plushie"

plaintiff
May 15, 2015

Getting ready to go early vote. Can't wait to slap a Louisiana Trump vote out of someone's hands, and hopefully take a step towards anyone not completely batshit insane getting into our Senate or House rep seats, too.

Bhaal
Jul 13, 2001
I ain't going down alone
Dr. Infant, MD

Bird in a Blender posted:

Does Arizona have really good early voting access, or easy access to absentee ballots? 40% of voters seems extremely high with two weeks to go.
My ballot got mailed to me last week, though I live in the solidly middle class "compassionate republican" suburbs.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Admiral Ray posted:

They're a helluva a lot more than living wages. Those wages put them close to the top 1% (which is ~$450k, I think) of the US. I do get the market pushing more money to, say, cardiology and dermatology, but as far as most impact goes (I assume you mean on the nation's health) I don't think we can trust pay rates to illustrate that effectively. It does show that the hospitals or group practices employing them demand them more/those doctors inhabit a niche that allows them to demand more money, but that's as far as I'm willing to go.

The GP Wages are right about at the 90th Percentile* in the US.


*For households, not individual income. Although it is much more common to have 1-income households the higher up you get.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках

VH4Ever posted:

I love how they claim Obama spent 8 years taking guns and they don't see how that contradicts ads like these ahead of a likely Hillary presidency. How can you stock up for her when President Blackenstein already took them all away?

I say this as a firearms hobbyist :

The GOP rhetoric on Obama and guns have made more money for the firearms industry than anything else in the last decade.

Drives me crazy because every time they whip up a new wave of panic I can't get target ammo for months.

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat
The last time I voted I didn't get a sticker. Really discouraged me from ever voting again.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
When the bad thing doesn't happen they think that they just barely stopped it.

BUT REALLY BAD THING IS GOING TO HAPPEN IF YOU DON'T LET MY TEAM WIN/LET ME DO EVERYTHING I WANT. SO WE MUST STILL BE VIGILANT ABOUT THE BAD THING

And when bad things happen under their watch it's never their fault. Party of personal responsibility.

Lord Hydronium
Sep 25, 2007

Non, je ne regrette rien


Zanzibar Ham posted:

Maybe Scott Adam's affirmation technique is like a Monkey's Paw, so everything technically goes as he asked but in the wrong ways.
"I want Trump's words to make national headlines, and for everyone to believe he means what he says."

*finger on the Dogbert paw curls*
*Access Hollywood tape comes out*

Minecraft Holmes
Oct 21, 2016

Admiral Ray posted:

They're a helluva a lot more than living wages. Those wages put them close to the top 1% (which is ~$450k, I think) of the US. I do get the market pushing more money to, say, cardiology and dermatology, but as far as most impact goes (I assume you mean on the nation's health) I don't think we can trust pay rates to illustrate that effectively. It does show that the hospitals or group practices employing them demand them more/those doctors inhabit a niche that allows them to demand more money, but that's as far as I'm willing to go.

It doesn't sound that they're complaining that they're in the poor house or anything. What it looks like is that general practitioner wages have remained stagnant compared to most specialties (and that a few specialties have absolutely exploded).

quote:

The researchers found that between 1987-1990 and 2006-2010, the median doctor's annual earnings grew from $143,963 to $157,751 - a difference of 9.6 percent. That was after taking into account any salary differences based on gender, age and location.

In comparison, the average pharmacist's earnings increased by 44 percent, from $70,341 to $101,279, and the average dentist's by 23 percent, from $105,511 to $129,795, the researchers reported Tuesday in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

Looking closer, the study team found that doctors' salaries grew between 1987-1990 and 1996-2000, but then were stagnant over the next decade - a time when other health professionals continued to get bigger paychecks.

Because the earnings reflect pay for doctors in the middle of the salary pack, Chandra said the slow growth probably represents patterns for primary care doctors rather than specialists - and earnings for some "procedure-driven specialties," such as cardiology, may have grown a lot.

Medicare payment cuts, as well as tougher bargaining by insurance companies, may be partly to blame for the "sluggish" growth in the primary care field, he added.

So yeah, I don't have a lot of sympathy for doctors complaining about wages. But the problem is that we're not encouraging more to become general practitioners and family doctors and other needed fields by what appears to be a huge factor.

Chin Strap
Nov 24, 2002

I failed my TFLC Toxx, but I no longer need a double chin strap :buddy:
Pillbug

PhazonLink posted:

When the bad thing doesn't happen they think that they just barely stopped it.

BUT REALLY BAD THING IS GOING TO HAPPEN IF YOU DON'T LET MY TEAM WIN/LET ME DO EVERYTHING I WANT. SO WE MUST STILL BE VIGILANT ABOUT THE BAD THING

And when bad things happen under their watch it's never their fault. Party of personal responsibility.

~religion~

Jedi425
Dec 6, 2002

THOU ART THEE ART THOU STICK YOUR HAND IN THE TV DO IT DO IT DO IT

Bird in a Blender posted:

Does Arizona have really good early voting access, or easy access to absentee ballots? 40% of voters seems extremely high with two weeks to go.

AZ has a wonderful thing called the Permanent Early Voting List. When you register to vote (which is also super easy, and can be done online through our DMV website), you can opt in to the PEVL, at which point you get your ballots mailed to you 27 days before the election, forever, without having to make a request or anything. It's shockingly easy considering we're a red state. I sort of assume it's due to all the elderly we have in AZ.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

Unite: MASH!!
~They've got the bad guys on the run!~

PhazonLink posted:

When the bad thing doesn't happen they think that they just barely stopped it.

BUT REALLY BAD THING IS GOING TO HAPPEN IF YOU DON'T LET MY TEAM WIN/LET ME DO EVERYTHING I WANT. SO WE MUST STILL BE VIGILANT ABOUT THE BAD THING

And when bad things happen under their watch it's never their fault. Party of personal responsibility.

And even if the Bad Thing does happen under their watch, they rationalize it as somehow being less terrible than some greater catastrophe that they managed to avert just barely. If the opponent accomplished Good Thing, it doesn't count because it was clearly only due to their good work and/or not as good as they would have done it.

TheOneAndOnlyT
Dec 18, 2005

Well well, mister fancy-pants, I hope you're wearing your matching sweater today, or you'll be cut down like the ugly tree you are.
I'm reminded of that political cartoon from a few years back, where a donkey bartender is desperately yelling "HAHA THAT RUBIO, WHAT A FUCKUP AMIRITE GUYS?" while a group of people labeled LATINOS all admiringly crowd around a TV with Rubio on it. Sadly I'm not good enough at the Google to find it.

Stereotype
Apr 24, 2010

College Slice
Fox News is covering DuckGate as the headline of their website today. Though, the article is actually more of a mix of lots of things because "Hillary Clinton Told People To Protest In Cartoon Duck Suits" sounds like something an actual insane person says.

RevKrule
Jul 9, 2001

Thrilling the forums since 2001

TheBigAristotle posted:

Gander Mountain with the brilliant idea



Am I the only one confused by an "Election Day special" that happens on Veterans Day? C'mon son.

Alec Bald Snatch
Sep 12, 2012

by exmarx

Complaint Compilation posted:

Yeah after moving here, it was weird to meet an actual hillbilly.

not sure why; that's the first place hillbillies settled when they got here

Bassetking
Feb 20, 2008

And it is, it is a glorious thing, to be a Basset King!

Admiral Ray posted:

They're a helluva a lot more than living wages. Those wages put them close to the top 1% (which is ~$450k, I think) of the US. I do get the market pushing more money to, say, cardiology and dermatology, but as far as most impact goes (I assume you mean on the nation's health) I don't think we can trust pay rates to illustrate that effectively. It does show that the hospitals or group practices employing them demand them more/those doctors inhabit a niche that allows them to demand more money, but that's as far as I'm willing to go.

If I am in med-school.

And I see 'Oh, I can make 145k as a GP. Or I can make 445k as an Ortho." there is a three hundred thousand dollar incentive, annually, to pursue that Ortho career, instead of GP. That's the problem. That's the issue. "Niche doctors being able to demand more money" means that, in the insurance-billing world of American Healthcare, there is a massive incentive to become one of those niche practitioners, rather than going to the foundational practitioners that allow the rest of the system to function. "You can be a doctor that works on people's skin, and the diseases and issues that effect that, OR, you can learn as much as you possibly can about everything that can possibly go wrong with a human being, biologically or mentally, from age 18 to death. The skin one will pay you three hundred thousand dollars more. You can see one patient per half-hour or 45 minutes, and you will have locations fighting over your presence, so they can claim they have one of you on staff. If you go with the everything position, you'll make less than your student debt, practices don't give a poo poo about you, since it is assumed that you will be present; you're not a sales-point. You have between five and fifteen minutes to see each patient."

As far as you're willing to go?

Dude, it's right there.

Altruism is great, and all, but for three hundred thousand dollars more, per year, for my career? I'll find some charities to support, and do the skin thing. Enjoy my beach-houses. And my BMW SLK.

It is a rare person who looks at the profession, says "This is what is desperately needed" and then does that, in direct action against their own self-interest.

We cannot base the structure of our medical system on rare altruists who choose service over specialization.

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Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The average GP in the U.S. makes 176k a year and has about 184k of educational debt.

They are actually much better off than the vast majority of people when it comes to salary / educational debt ratio.

A cursory google indicates average student debt is 32k per borrower, while median income is 51k, giving Joe Blow a better ratio than your hypothetical doctor. What am I missing?

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