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The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost

namaste faggots posted:

i'm surprised you dumb assholes can't seem to add up that i'm a raging shithead precisely because i make more than most 1% boomers yet live like a loving prole because i'm not a loving idiot

To be fair you did choose to have a kid so if you are really trying to min/max your way to a well funded and reasonably aged retirement, you kind of shot yourself in the foot. And knee.

Scrimp to fill that RESP so they can blow it on a medieval literature degree bitchhhhhh

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Stickarts
Dec 21, 2003

literally

Apparently the citizens of Regina don't even care about Regina, so I don't have much in the way of a retort. 20%.

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




Stickarts posted:

Apparently the citizens of Regina don't even care about Regina, so I don't have much in the way of a retort. 20%.

Im almost at the point where I would welcome mandatory voting.

Just need to get rid of FPTP oh right thanks Liberals.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
that's what you get for voting

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

namaste faggots posted:

i'm surprised you dumb assholes can't seem to add up that i'm a raging shithead precisely because i make more than most 1% boomers yet live like a loving prole because i'm not a loving idiot

My wife and I make $170k combined. We have zero debt and do not own a home. There are dipshits who made nearly as much during the oil boom and are now destitute. Salary alone does not dictate wealth; intelligence and salary does.

Also hello from France, phone posting on a Eurostar. To appease Fluffy Chainsaw I'll start to post poo poo about how things are better here than in Canada--which in reality they are.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe

OSI bean dip posted:

My wife and I make $170k combined. We have zero debt and do not own a home. There are dipshits who made nearly as much during the oil boom and are now destitute. Salary alone does not dictate wealth; intelligence and salary does.

Also hello from France, phone posting on a Eurostar. To appease Fluffy Chainsaw I'll start to post poo poo about how things are better here than in Canada--which in reality they are.

Agree about the France thing I didn't want to come back home after visiting. Too bad the EU is falling apart due to economic stresses and is having to deal with the first waves of mass migrants due to climate change and war.

I doubt it'll be nearly as nice a decade from now.

But at least they'll still have walkable communities.

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

vyelkin posted:

Taxes start at 0% and go up 1% for every $10,000 you make, topping out at 90% on incomes over $900,000.

Before or after tax income?


:v:

Vasler
Feb 17, 2004
Greetings Earthling! Do you have any Zoom Boots?

Stickarts posted:

Apparently the citizens of Regina don't even care about Regina, so I don't have much in the way of a retort. 20%.

I've only lived in Regina for a couple years but I received no information from the city on when the election was taking place, where I was supposed to go to vote, or even who the candidates for my ward, mayor, and school board were. Almost like they didn't want me to vote. At least in Saskatoon they gave you a loving card that had some information on it.

I suppose you could argue that I should exercise my civic duty and look it up, and you'd be right, but they sure don't make it easy.

Stickarts
Dec 21, 2003

literally

Yea, this is partly on the city. North Central, one of the poorest urban centers in Canada, where many residents are elderly, working class or lower, or don't own a car, had one of its three polling stations halfway across the city. I live there and received my voter card in the mail but I know of many who didn't. Either through ignorance, arrogance, or malfeasance, the City was pretty much acting like this election didn't exist.

And our mayor had the audacity to claim the low turnout was, in fact, a sign of support.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

vyelkin posted:

Canada has fallen from first to 25th in the world on gender equality according to the UN.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/26/canada-women-un-ranking-discrimination-justin-trudeau

The Guardian knows their audience so they point out the difference between style and substance in the Trudeau government:


It's a bit misleading because we were in first place in 1995, not last year, but still.

The guardian has been tearing Trudeau a new rear end in a top hat lately, it's great.

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos
Unless someone is in the investor/capital class they can't and wont simply move away when faced with larger taxes.

Also we have progressive tax brackets.

Also small business owners barely pay any taxes, they keep a lot of the money in the business and use it to buy houses and cars for family and pay out salaries to their cousins who don't work for them.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

OSI bean dip posted:

My wife and I make $170k combined. We have zero debt and do not own a home. There are dipshits who made nearly as much during the oil boom and are now destitute. Salary alone does not dictate wealth; intelligence and salary does.

Also hello from France, phone posting on a Eurostar. To appease Fluffy Chainsaw I'll start to post poo poo about how things are better here than in Canada--which in reality they are.

So you're part of the middle class, thanks for sharing. Since we are sharing :qq: I'm at most 3 years from being mortgage free on my McMansion, before 35. I'll email Cbc to get profiled and I'll let them know my secret is having stairs in my home.

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos
And if you want to blame someone for our lovely zoning and infrastructure then blame our lovely municipal politicians. They are entirely captured by developers who simply subdivide a piece of farmland and build whatever is cheapest for them with the greatest margins because they know Canadians will buy whatever they build. For so long as the cities let developers do whatever they want we will get poo poo with high infrastructure and public costs.

Mad Hamish
Jun 15, 2008

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.



cowofwar posted:

And if you want to blame someone for our lovely zoning and infrastructure then blame our lovely municipal politicians. They are entirely captured by developers who simply subdivide a piece of farmland and build whatever is cheapest for them with the greatest margins because they know Canadians will buy whatever they build. For so long as the cities let developers do whatever they want we will get poo poo with high infrastructure and public costs.

This is becoming a really bad issue here in Hamilton, to the extent that it's blindingly obvious which city councillors are owned by development firms, but no-one seems to be willing to do anything about it.

Stickarts
Dec 21, 2003

literally

And in Regina, our mayor was the head of the Regina Construction Association up until being elected.

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?
How high can we raise taxes before CI decides to finally give up and leave? That's about the threshold right there.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
In Winnipeg our mayor took the proper stance for once and said he wanted to implement development fees for any further subdivisions to curb the impact urban sprawl is having on city budgets but our premier is taking the side of the developers who are currently screaming, crying and throwing their toys out of their crib.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
OPSEU internal statement on Trudeau's recent comments:

quote:

To: All OPSEU members
From: Warren (Smokey) Thomas, President
Date: October 27, 2016

Re: Young workers should not get used to bad jobs

Dear friends:

I'm pretty proud of the young workers who turned their backs on the Prime Minister this week. Just one year after his election, Justin Trudeau has already turned his back on them.

Speaking at a summit put on by the Canadian Labour Congress (CLC), Trudeau told young workers that good jobs are a thing of the past. Short-term contracts and no pensions will be the new normal from here on, he suggested.

Young workers weren't having any of it. So they protested, right then and there. And rightly so - they were angry.

Ken Maclam is Chair of OPSEU's Provincial Young Workers' Committee (PYWC), and he was at the CLC event. "Of course young workers are angry," he reported. "Working three jobs to get by isn't something we should just 'get used to,' and I assure you, we don't plan to."

What Trudeau told young workers echoes what top business leaders have been saying a lot lately.

Ed Clark, Premier Kathleen Wynne's privatization advisor, says young people actually like the "flexibility" of temporary contracts. Federal Finance Minister Bill Morneau tells Canadians that they need to get used to "job churn."

But what do Canadians think? How can anyone "like" having no idea how long they'll have an income for? Or when they'll work next? People need food and shelter every day, not once in a while.

The young people I know - and I know lots of them - would take a steady, permanent job over a temporary contract any day. All short-term contracts do is help employers dodge the inconvenient cost of keeping workers alive.


Business leaders, and the politicians who work for them, seem to think that bad jobs are good for the economy. Save employers money, and the economy does better - that's what they say. But it's bogus. Their trickledown economics just don't work.

I'll tell you what does work. When people have good, steady jobs with decent wages, they make the economy go. When working people do well, business does well. That's a fact.

Our job is to get that point across every way we can. And the young workers who turned their backs on Trudeau were doing exactly that. They've got a vision of how work should be. And they're showing the leadership it will take to get us there.

As one young worker at the CLC Summit said, "We're not the future, we're the right now."

Get used to it.


In solidarity,


Warren (Smokey) Thomas
President, Ontario Public service Employees Union

I think it's pretty well said.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
I really really hope that by the time the next election comes up people start realizing that the Trudeau smile is more of a smirk.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
Do you guys remember the fawning over Justin that went on in here after he won the leadership?

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

DariusLikewise posted:

How high can we raise taxes before CI decides to finally give up and leave? That's about the threshold right there.

make the top tax bracket 69% so nobody can complain about it without people giggling about the sex number

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Three Hole Punk posted:

make the top tax bracket 69% so nobody can complain about it without people giggling about the sex number

Better yet, make the top tax bracket 420%, now that's something trudeau might actually go for

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there

EvilJoven posted:

I really really hope that by the time the next election comes up people start realizing that the Trudeau smile is more of a smirk.

My hope was a minority government (either NDP or Liberal led), I was still hopeful that Sunny Jim here would still do a decent job but I was so, so wrong. I asked my ex who regularly meets with cabinet ministers and House committee chairs about how she was feeling about the current government and all she could say was "leadership is hard", I refrained from answering back "what loving leadership".

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

EvilJoven posted:

I really really hope that by the time the next election comes up people start realizing that the Trudeau smile is more of a smirk.

Perhaps next election you will be the jaded Ikantski to a fresh crop of gullible young Liberal enthusiasts.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
I voted beardy, you guys deserve this real change like the #ERRE

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
I was never ever a Liberal enthusiast. Despite Mulcair losing the election by campaigning from the centre I would have still voted NDP in my riding if not for the fact that it was a dead heat between the Liberal and CPC candidate.

At most I let myself become cautiously optimistic because I thought that under a Liberal banner we would at least see a massive reduction in police spending, crime, and incarceration rates by legalizing marijuana and that during the next election I wouldn't have to vote strategically thanks to election reform.

Now I'm pretty sure we are going to see neither and during the next election I won't vote Liberal even if the reincarnation of Hitler is at risk of winning the seat.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
I voted NDP even though the CPC MP in my riding was Stephen loving Woodworth.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy
At the end of the day even though I'm pretty disappointed with the liberal party I also straight up don't care what else the Liberals do if they legalize weed and live up to the promise that FPTP is done. Mind you I also think that if the NDP hadn't imploded they'd be just as pathetically incompetent in office as the Liberals are so that colours my view.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

patonthebach posted:

Im not pro big business at all (im a incredibly staunch union guy, fair wages for all workers, etc) I just dont know how far you can go on taxing individuals to where you make it so the high earners just want to leave Canada and go to somewhere where they can save more of their money. If you are some kind of programmer ninja that is making killer iphone apps and getting paid 240 grand a year, do you want to take home 130 grand in Canada or 180 grand in USA? How about if you manage a snow plow company making 400 grand in revenue? Take home 300 of that in USA and invest/expand or stay in Canada and take home 210 grand.

Same idea for the best doctors, engineers, etc etc

These are theoretical figures, just trying to illustrate my thoughts.

Those people left already and some of them are coming back across the border anyway because san fran and seattle kinda suck and are getting worse all the time.

Fried Watermelon
Dec 29, 2008


EvilJoven posted:

In Winnipeg our mayor took the proper stance for once and said he wanted to implement development fees for any further subdivisions to curb the impact urban sprawl is having on city budgets but our premier is taking the side of the developers who are currently screaming, crying and throwing their toys out of their crib.

Hahaha I was at the Manitoba Home Builders Awards Gala the other night and they are acting like it's the end of the world and "WE NEED TO FIGHT HOW DARE THE CITY DO THIS". It completely overshadowed the awards for the night and made him sound like a little baby.

The big issue is developers gently caress off after building the homes and don't want to finish the neighbourhood infrastructure and want the city to pay for it. $1,000 for every 100 square feet of home built. If you pass on the cost to the price of the home (which the developers certainly will), you'll see an average 4-5% increase in price. A 2,100 sqft house going for $469,000 is now $490,900.

Maybe we will get houses actually worth the cost? Like finished basements.

It's also funny that there is so much doom and gloom in the industry about less building, but the truth is September 2016 had 1161 single family build applicants compared to September 2015's 970. Multi Family 2016 dropped to 437 from 451 in 2015. The drop and increase can be attributed to the top three developers, Qualico Drafting & Design, Randall Homes and Kensington Homes Ltd. switching from multi-family to single family homes.


These numbers can be found here:
http://winnipeg.ca/ppd/statistics_9.stm

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?
Don't forget as well that every idiot and their dogs are buying every vacant building possible and converting them to lovely hipster condos that no one is buying.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

EvilJoven posted:

I was never ever a Liberal enthusiast. Despite Mulcair losing the election by campaigning from the centre I would have still voted NDP in my riding if not for the fact that it was a dead heat between the Liberal and CPC candidate.

At most I let myself become cautiously optimistic because I thought that under a Liberal banner we would at least see a massive reduction in police spending, crime, and incarceration rates by legalizing marijuana and that during the next election I wouldn't have to vote strategically thanks to election reform.

Now I'm pretty sure we are going to see neither and during the next election I won't vote Liberal even if the reincarnation of Hitler is at risk of winning the seat.

:sad:

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Jordan7hm posted:

I also straight up don't care what else the Liberals do if they legalize weed and live up to the promise that FPTP is done

But they will do neither, because otherwise what will they campaign on in 2019?

peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.

namaste faggots posted:

Do you guys remember the fawning over Justin that went on in here after he won the leadership?

If you're talking about in the media, then no, because it went right to "who does this sexy dude think he is GET BACK TO WORK" pretty much the day after he was elected.

Monaghan
Dec 29, 2006

Vasler posted:

I've only lived in Regina for a couple years but I received no information from the city on when the election was taking place, where I was supposed to go to vote, or even who the candidates for my ward, mayor, and school board were. Almost like they didn't want me to vote. At least in Saskatoon they gave you a loving card that had some information on it.

I suppose you could argue that I should exercise my civic duty and look it up, and you'd be right, but they sure don't make it easy.

Yeah I admit I live in regina and didn't vote. I was busy at work at stuff, and I had no loving idea where I was supposed to vote, public policy, I don't remember getting much in the mail regarding policies, etc.

I just happened to go by the YMCA while going to the gym and saw a polling station. I had no idea what each candidate stood for. I guess I should have put more effort in, but gently caress, give me something guys.

Landsknecht
Oct 27, 2009
I hope this person is trolling, nobody can be so unfunny and dumb
how about we all just come around to the fact that the LPC is way more FYGM than they let on during the election (who would've thought???) and Canada as a whole is going this way

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

Get ready to vote for Bernier next election. #feellebern :getin:

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

PittTheElder posted:

But they will do neither, because otherwise what will they campaign on in 2019?

That's obviously possible, and maybe even likely, but I'm willing to wait more than a year to find out if these particular promises are broken (also it's not like I have a choice but to wait).

AlouetteNR
Jun 6, 2011
I voted for Andrew Cash, and am still kinda bummed he lost. That said, Trudeau won on a platform of 'Not Harper', and true to his promise, he isn't Harper, just impossibly close to him in terms of policy. At least we got the long form census back.

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Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

AlouetteNR posted:

I voted for Andrew Cash, and am still kinda bummed he lost. That said, Trudeau won on a platform of 'Not Harper', and true to his promise, he isn't Harper, just impossibly close to him in terms of policy. At least we got the long form census back.

Trudeau's skill is at being not Harper is really borderline admirable. Check out this platform bit.

quote:

Despite our health care system’s value and importance, it has been more than a decade since a Canadian Prime Minister sat down with provincial and territorial Premiers to strengthen the program, and ensure that it can meet current needs and the challenges that come with an aging population.

We will restart that important conversation and provide the collaborative federal leadership that has been missing during the Harper decade. We will negotiate a new Health Accord with provinces and territories, including a
long-term agreement on funding.

https://www.liberal.ca/realchange/a-new-health-accord/

No promises broken, he didn't say he was going to sit down with the premiers to talk about the health accord. Just pointed out that Harper didn't. I mean, pointing out that it'd been over a decade might make you think that he'd be in a rush to sit down with them but that's because you think bad.

quote:

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has written back to Canada's provincial and territorial premiers, saying he will not commit to personally meet with them to discuss a new health accord before mid-December.

In a letter sent to Trudeau last month, the premiers asked for a face-to-face meeting with Trudeau on health funding — adding they wanted that commitment before a planned first ministers' meeting on climate takes place in November.

But in a reply sent last week, obtained by CBC News, Trudeau said that he will instead let Health Minister Jane Philpott meet with her provincial counterparts as planned and see what happens from there.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-letter-premiers-health-accord-1.3789352

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