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Potato Salad posted:Sure, I'll begin with " I don't have a perspective" and "I don't have an argument" fair enough lozzle posted:Hot take: I hate racists. hotter take: what someone considers a racist varies from person to person AriadneThread posted:i don't think it takes hate to not be concerned about the potential backlash two people might face for engaging in racist actions no, just to post in the way he seems to have a habit of doing... I don't think you have an unreasonable perspective here gfsincere posted:How in the gently caress is saying "I don't want employees that will dehumanize other employees and be racist to them" hateful? How is "I want people who do hateful and racist poo poo to be crushed under the weight of being publicly shamed for their blatant disrespect towards the humanity of others" hateful? you're charged, you're heated, you're angry. you know this and I know this. I never said mocking another race isn't hateful, although it might not be motivated by hate, just by bad opinions. you don't know a thing about me? Potato Salad posted:wait are you talking about my thoughts on the Good Muslim, Bad Muslim podcast or this thread? yeah, thanks for checking - I was referring to the thread as a whole. I didn't listen to the podcast nor do I really know anything about you so I didn't mean it that way
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gfsincere posted:Nope, this country has spent entirely too loving long being concerned with the well being of unabashed racists to the detriment of everyone else. gently caress em all. Potato Salad posted:I can actually agree with this. Ruggan posted:Idk, it's such heated language. It's charged with hate. I am trying to understand your point of view and correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to be projecting hate that you feel has been directed towards you. I don't hate you and I don't believe you should be disrespected or mistreated for whatever you are in real life. OOooooohhh it was the "gently caress em all" part. I don't usually prune quotes. No, gently caress 'em all is a bad outlook. Better to think of how to
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And is correlated by melanin content.
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Ruggan posted:hotter take: what someone considers a racist varies from person to person Personally I'm not terribly concerned with what racists think is and is not racist.
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computer parts posted:And is correlated by melanin content. Why do sa posters always put comments like this in edgewise? Why can't they say what they mean directly, uncoded?
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gfsincere posted:"I care about progress. But also, I don't care about tone policing and how it can affect minorities in discussions." Notice that strawman you made about me being a Bernout? You make those in every post. That's not "tone" it's dishonest bullshit. You make poo poo up constantly and when people dismiss it you say it's because they marginalize minority opinions.
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Ruggan posted:Idk, it's such heated language. It's charged with hate. I am trying to understand your point of view and correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to be projecting hate that you feel has been directed towards you. I don't hate you and I don't believe you should be disrespected or mistreated for whatever you are in real life. Tom Guycot posted:I just watched that documentary about Mittens, and jesus christ, I never thought I would look back with fondness at that rear end in a top hat, but after Trump... Please note it was his sexism that really lost him his support.
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Ruggan posted:you're charged, you're heated, you're angry. you know this and I know this. I never said mocking another race isn't hateful, although it might not be motivated by hate, just by bad opinions. you don't know a thing about me? a guy who has like 50% chance of getting straight murdered by the police for the crime of existing is passionate about racial issues whoa you might say he's an angry black man??????????
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lozzle posted:Personally I'm not terribly concerned with what racists think is and is not racist. But *everyone* is racist.
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Potato Salad posted:Why do sa posters always put comments like this in edgewise? ok computer parts posted:some angry white dudes ITT
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computer parts posted:And is correlated by melanin content. I try to only define racism by type of action not based on source or target. Is that reasonable or am I being too logically consistent or too ignorant of the general state of our world? Honest question. I can see some people saying it's unreasonable for reasonable reasons.
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1stGear posted:a guy who has like 50% chance of getting straight murdered by the police for the crime of existing is passionate about racial issues whoa
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lozzle posted:Personally I'm not terribly concerned with what racists think is and is not racist. The more thoroughly you can understand what makes someone tick, the better you can help that person and the sooner you can truly create a lasting change, at least where you live This will be important if / when you become interested in getting involved in local politics. As Barney the Purple Dinosaur it sounds, understanding is square one to fixing society's ills.
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Potato Salad posted:You have obliquely dropped that I mean there was the guy when I was a sysadmin that was shocked that I would know what Linux is. Mind you, just got hired as a senior Linux sysadmin, that's pretty much what everyone in that division is, I literally introduced myself as "Hey I'm Greg, your new senior Linux sysadmin" (he was a junior admin) The conversation went: 3rd guy: hey so what are you gonna run? Me: idk, been running Fedora at home, so maybe that. Racist doofus: oh, that's surprising. Me: what is? RD: that you run linux Me:  I'm...a senior Linux admin. Why wouldn't I?RD: no no, I just thought black people didn't know what Linux was. Never met a black guy that ran it. 3rd guy: 
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Ruggan posted:I try to only define racism by type of action not based on source or target. Yeah, I think cracker is a terrible slur too.
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Admiral Ray posted:Los Ruggles, lemme tell ya, his recent posts don't come across as hateful to me. Mocking, derisive, and annoyed, sure, but not hateful. This is why I'm not so mad about the alt-right becoming more prominent in mainstream politics. They're awful, but their awfulness is so open and indefensible that there's no way for people to hide the racism behind plausible deniability anymore. That's way less harmful than Reagan-style dogwhistle racism.
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computer parts posted:Yeah, I think cracker is a terrible slur too. lmao good one no, but really... I didn't say anything about impact or severity, just definition. that's what i'm asking about
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HorseRenoir posted:This is why I'm not so mad about the alt-right becoming more prominent in mainstream politics. They're awful, but their awfulness is so open and indefensible that there's no way for people to hide the racism behind plausible deniability anymore. That's way less harmful than Reagan-style dogwhistle racism. Eh. I genuinely worry that it will make people blind to dogwhistle racism becasue "it isn't obvious!" I mean that happens already but we'll see. Too many people go "I can't be racist, I'm not a Klansman!"
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Ruggan posted:I try to only define racism by type of action not based on source or target. Is that reasonable or am I being too logically consistent or too ignorant of the general state of our world? Honest question. I can see some people saying it's unreasonable for reasonable reasons.
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Admiral Ray posted:I don't like Trump because of all the racists and shitbirds he's brought out of the woodwork, but I like that he did because a whole lotta white people really truly thought the US was post-racial and post-bigotry. I mean, other people did too, I guess, but mostly it's been white people that I've heard saying "How can people still support Trump he's so racist/sexist." Yeah don't get me wrong, I'm glad Trump is dragging the GOP into the sunlight while driving a bowie knife through its heart, but back in 2012 it was hard to see how I could find a republican candidate more personally repugnant than that poo poo bomber. 2016 showed me I ain't seen nothing yet.
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Mercrom posted:Racism is not about actions at all it's about a state of mind. What makes an action racist is only one of two things, hate of, or ignorant generalization about a group of people. But there's a lot of things that people would call racist that fall outside of those two categories. Are those racist? Comedians making jokes in bad taste for example?
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Kro-Bar posted:Guys, can we get back to talking about the upcoming glorious revolution led by our dear leader Donald J. Trump? that looks like an in memoriam picture... for yesterday
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Tom Guycot posted:Yeah don't get me wrong, I'm glad Trump is dragging the GOP into the sunlight while driving a bowie knife through its heart, but back in 2012 it was hard to see how I could find a republican candidate more personally repugnant than that poo poo bomber. 2016 showed me I ain't seen nothing yet. What worries me most is how this may all strengthen white supremacist movements, particularly "militia" groups. It's been great watching the GOP destroy themselves, but there are a lot of folks who are probably going to get hurt or killed because of all of this. 
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ImpAtom posted:Eh. I genuinely worry that it will make people blind to dogwhistle racism becasue "it isn't obvious!" I mean that happens already but we'll see. Too many people go "I can't be racist, I'm not a Klansman!" That's already been happening for decades though, ever since the Southern Strategy. It's pretty clear that institutional white supremacy will never die until the US is majority-minority, so I'm perfectly fine with the racism being out and obvious until we inevitably reach that point.
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Ruggan posted:But there's a lot of things that people would call racist that fall outside of those two categories. Are those racist? Comedians making jokes in bad taste for example?
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Okay, gently caress this, I tried being nice but you've already been told to stop ascribing anger to people In race discussions because you come off like a massive tool and you continue to do it. NO ONE IS MAD, STOP TELLING PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE ON THE RECEIVING PART OF RACISM THEY ARE MAD WHEN THEY DISCUSS IT YOU TWIT. You're not that goddamn important for you to think my mood revolves around words posted on a goddamn forum. I'm black, I got way more other poo poo that makes me angry, and you're not even moving the fuckin needle. You aren't the center of the universe and you have a lot less power than you think you do. What you are however, is a person who really needs to shut up and listen to people about race because you're clearly talking out of your rear end. You have no clue about the destructive nature of racism, and since you'll never be on the receiving end of it, you drat sure aren't the arbiter of who is and isn't a racist and what racism looks like. Your opinion on who is a racist or not is worth about as much as a penny with a hole in it.
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Tom Guycot posted:Yeah don't get me wrong, I'm glad Trump is dragging the GOP into the sunlight while driving a bowie knife through its heart, but back in 2012 it was hard to see how I could find a republican candidate more personally repugnant than that poo poo bomber. 2016 showed me I ain't seen nothing yet. I don't think this'll actually kill the GOP. I know I'm a minority in that view but I think people severely underestimate how long their base will last. I don't expect we'll find someone worse than Trump unless David Duke somehow makes it big. Ted Cruz could come back too, I guess. He's pretty loving awful, even if that baby picture of him belies that.
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Ruggan posted:But there's a lot of things that people would call racist that fall outside of those two categories. Are those racist? Comedians making jokes in bad taste for example? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4
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lozzle posted:Personally I'm not terribly concerned with what racists think is and is not racist. So I get to do a lot of driving around the southeast. I sometimes get loving furious with Trump's supporters and at other times feel a major bummer for their plight. It gets bad, dude. Trump! is a Hail Mary for what is genuinely perceived as the final encroachment of the globe -- cheap dirty labor overseas, rich tinkering bankers in Wall Street and Europe, gun-grabbing New Englanders, on and on -- on not their way of life, but their capacity to live and do so independently. I think a Cracked article was tossed around in here a while ago that did an A- job of describing where Trump supporters, the real ones who are praying tearfully for their families to be safe and for opportunities for Fifty-Five year old Frank the husband / father to get another opportunity that pays over $23k / year before taxes and the slow off season, come from. We need to elect Clinton then turn right the gently caress around and figure out how to help these people. My heart cannot bear it. Fake edit - found it, start at 3 if you are impatient http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/ Mein point is that we are within 5% popular vote right now of electing Hitler. We need. To fix. The problem. With Trump's supporters. They are real, they are heartbreaking, and it is important to understand their minds. gfsincere posted:I mean there was the guy when I was a sysadmin that was shocked that I would know what Linux is. Mind you, just got hired as a senior Linux sysadmin, that's pretty much what everyone in that division is, I literally introduced myself as "Hey I'm Greg, your new senior Linux sysadmin" (he was a junior admin) Racist doofus: "Hey come on, you know perfectly well that I didn't actually mean" -- *falls on rear end outside front door*
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I wonder if my state of Maine's polling booths in public areas are going to remain safe on Election Day? I can think of several high-school classmates who could probably shoot down my High School station.
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HorseRenoir posted:Can we just start the new thread a day early, god drat Sorry, this argument would just carry on into the new one. Only way it dies is for it to die proper. You can't force it. Except by maybe closing USPOL until November 9.
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gfsincere posted:Okay, gently caress this, I tried being nice but you've already been told to stop ascribing anger to people I don't remember being told that. I don't think I have power over you or in general. I'm not trying to influence your mood or make you upset. I'm not claiming to be an arbiter of racism. I don't think my opinions are more than opinions. I don't believe I know enough, but I do believe I understand that it is destructive. I'd be happier to listen to your viewpoints if you could try to express them in less angry ways. edit: sorry, I just reread this and realized you said you weren't upset - I hope that by rereading your post you can understand why that is how it comes across
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Admiral Ray posted:I don't think this'll actually kill the GOP. I know I'm a minority in that view but I think people severely underestimate how long their base will last. Indeed: 
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Good god this thread has dozens of posts every day that are basically "gently caress all Republicans forever" and I'm pretty sure most of those posters aren't quivering in uncontrollable rage as they post it, but switch "Republicans" to "racists" and suddenly we need to reprimand people about how that language isn't productive and to please stop getting so mad
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Grouchio posted:I wonder if my state of Maine's polling booths in public areas are going to remain safe on Election Day? I can think of several high-school classmates who could probably shoot down my High School station. Was this post meant to be humorous? lol
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