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It's also hilarious how they sold the type certificates for some of their best and most in-demand aircraft to Viking, who I can only assume is making a gently caress sight more money than Bombardier because we haven't had to bail them out yet. It's almost like it's a lovely company run by morons.
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eXXon posted:More good news for Bombardier: Metrolinx announces its intention to cancel all orders for LRVs in Toronto due to Bombardier's inability to build the loving things on time: "Marc-André Lefebvre, a spokesperson for Bombardier, played down the significance of Metrolinx’s notice. “It’s just a normal contractual procedure,” he said. “There’s no visceral reaction on Bombardier’s part to this.”" A normal procedure for Bombardier, he might actually be telling the truth here
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ocrumsprug posted:Because this is BC and British Columbians are a fair people; Yeah, I'd either forgotten that or wasn't paying attention. With an election coming up I'd rather not think about such things as the NDP's record when I have to make a voting choice. CBC had an interesting discussion this afternoon on the role of anger in politics. Stephen Lewis' description of himself continuously operating in a state of incandescent fury during his humanitarian work struck a chord in me. In my life I've been able to make major changes around me when I have gone through anger into that focused state of fury. Unfortunately I only get angry every 8 years or so, I'm too laid back to be productive. This province's treatment of the mentally ill, physically, and mentally challenged is really starting to piss me off. Unfortunately I was recently angry about His Harperness' lack of respect for checks, balances, and democracy so I may have already blown my load for the next few years. I will have to undertake the study of the Zen of Anger.
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vyelkin posted:Countdown until Bombardier no longer actually produces or sells anything but is kept afloat entirely through continuous bailout funding from the governments of Canada, Quebec, and Ontario It's not a countdown if they're already there.
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Wistful of Dollars posted:It's not a countdown if they're already there. No, they still produce and sell things, just at a massive loss as far as I can tell. They are kept afloat through continuous bailout funding, though -- that much is accurate.
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folytopo posted:So does that mean organise as economic populists. With a focus on efficient government services for citizens like dental and drugs? I wish the NDP had campaigned on the good parts of the platform like pharmacare and childcare. Kind of a three legged stool with different sized legs. No new major taxes, new social programs, balanced budgets. Is Niki Ashton's precarious work campaign good? Helsing's while point is that you can't start building that coalition at the Federal election level, you need to have a whole bunch of people working it from the bottom up, starting at constituency organizations. The States provide the best example of all: a primary focus on the top level elections, and compete neglect of lower level organization is the only reason the Democrats haven't completely destroyed the Republican party.
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Lobok posted:Queen's Park: This is incredible, I hope it's real.
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Here's that big Ontario PC revolt new party thing somebody predicted a few weeks backquote:Anti-sex-ed activists in Ontario have formed a new political party and are running candidates in the province's two ongoing byelections.
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GENDERED SLUR posted:This is incredible, I hope it's real. I got it from a reporter on Twitter, but he wasn't paraphrasing in a funny reductive way: 
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vyelkin posted:Countdown until Bombardier no longer actually produces or sells anything but is kept afloat entirely through continuous bailout funding from the governments of Canada, Quebec, and Ontario I was counting up from when that happened, should I not have started doing that yet? e: i need to type faster
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I would love to read a tell-all on the management practices at Bombardier. It's hugely dysfunctional. I hope Metrolinx goes to Siemens or something and gets quality product at a good price. gently caress, I wish we'd do that for our navy too, stop trying to prop up bankrupt lovely shipbuilders because of Canadian industry
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MA-Horus posted:I would love to read a tell-all on the management practices at Bombardier. It's hugely dysfunctional. We should buy those German boats and be done with it. Procurement in this country is just protectionist handouts to whomever donated the most money to the governing party illicitly.
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Lobok posted:I got it from a reporter on Twitter, but he wasn't paraphrasing in a funny reductive way: I risked an enormous triggering to bring you the original source. quote:Ms. Catherine Fife: My question is to the Attorney General. It’s very clear in the Election Act that directly or indirectly giving or procuring an inducement to get someone to run is in contravention of the Election Act. We learned yesterday that one of Pat Sorbara’s charges has to do with allegedly inducing the Minister of Energy. Naqvi is an accomplished lawyer and is currently in charge of making huge amendments to the Elections Act (https://news.ontario.ca/ghl/en/2016/09/ontario-reintroduces-election-finance-reform-bill.html). Probably more of a legal professional though, not an expert.
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I remember reading an article by John Lorinc on Toronto's Bombardier problems and the main interesting point from it was that they were seemingly not loving up and incapable of producing TO's streetcars on time but just that we were a low priority. Bigger orders, from countries they had bigger and shinier plant investments in, were ahead in line.
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Yeah they have huge orders for Mexico City or something? We just can't buy in the volume to get us higher priority. I mean there's issues with the parts being trash too, thanks, NAFTA!
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GENDERED SLUR posted:Yeah they have huge orders for Mexico City or something? We just can't buy in the volume to get us higher priority. I mean there's issues with the parts being trash too, thanks, NAFTA! This is more a quality control issue than an issue with mexico manufacturing in general. If you want to complain about NAFTA, you can complain that including Mexico was a bad deal given they were part of ALADI before NAFTA, and they have become an Americas manufacturing hub that can export to both trading blocs from a massive logistical advantage let alone on a cost basis.
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I'm sure it's the lazy Mexicans fault for subpar manufacturing quality, not the companies which are willing to cut corners to pinch pennies and maintain insufficient oversight of subcontractors. Build the wall!!!!
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Risky Bisquick posted:This is more a quality control issue than an issue with mexico manufacturing in general. Yeah this is what I was getting at. Manufacturing in multiple locations seems like a surefire way to get lots of mistakes.
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Risky Bisquick posted:This is more a quality control issue than an issue with mexico manufacturing in general. If you want to complain about NAFTA, you can complain that including Mexico was a bad deal given they were part of ALADI before NAFTA, and they have become an Americas manufacturing hub that can export to both trading blocs from a massive logistical advantage let alone on a cost basis. Mexico also has relatively calm ocean access on both sides, and is close to the canal if/when that country really gets its poo poo together it will be a major force in the americas (even moreso than now)
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Landsknecht posted:Mexico also has relatively calm ocean access on both sides, and is close to the canal It would be a shame of somebody armed drug cartels do destabilize it.
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Lobok posted:I remember reading an article by John Lorinc on Toronto's Bombardier problems and the main interesting point from it was that they were seemingly not loving up and incapable of producing TO's streetcars on time but just that we were a low priority. Bigger orders, from countries they had bigger and shinier plant investments in, were ahead in line. Wow companies sure are grateful for all those subsidies and bailouts they get eh?
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Powershift posted:It would be a shame of somebody armed drug cartels do destabilize it. I'd say  but there's not really any question about thisLobok posted:I remember reading an article by John Lorinc on Toronto's Bombardier problems and the main interesting point from it was that they were seemingly not loving up and incapable of producing TO's streetcars on time but just that we were a low priority. Bigger orders, from countries they had bigger and shinier plant investments in, were ahead in line. Do you remember where? I can't find it on his site. And finally, stolen from the Toronto LAN thread: https://www.ontario.ca/form/basic-income-pilot-public-survey If you live in Ontario, fill it out. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Nov 5, 2016 |
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infernal machines posted:Do you remember where? I can't find it on his site. It was on Spacing. http://spacing.ca/toronto/2016/05/03/bombardiers-mexico-problem/
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Vancouver's Bombardier orders never seem to have massive delays and the quantities aren't large. Maybe it's just an Ontario Special.
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less than three posted:Vancouver's Bombardier orders never seem to have massive delays and the quantities aren't large. Maybe it's just an Ontario Special. The trains for SkyTrain are being built in New York State and are part of a different division.
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infernal machines posted:I'd say Hanlon's razor states that you should "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." This applies doubly to law enforcement, because they're just the people who wanted to put minorities in jail but were too dumb to get into law school and be criminal prosecutors.
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Whiskey Sours posted:Hanlon's razor states that you should "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." It can be both. See: the war on drugs, the war on terrorism, vietnam, watergate, the bay of pigs, etc.
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Are there any good Canadian political podcasts, preferably from a leftist perspective? I realized while refreshing 538 for the 750th time today that I didn't even know who my MP was and should probably try to be, like, moderately well-informed about the politics in my own country.
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infernal machines posted:And finally, stolen from the Toronto LAN thread: Filled out! Thanks for the link.
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Eric Grenier presents Eric Grenier's Presidential Poll Tracker by Eric Grenier
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folytopo posted:So does that mean organise as economic populists. With a focus on efficient government services for citizens like dental and drugs? I wish the NDP had campaigned on the good parts of the platform like pharmacare and childcare. Kind of a three legged stool with different sized legs. No new major taxes, new social programs, balanced budgets. Is Niki Ashton's precarious work campaign good? I confess I haven't paid close attention to Ashton's campaign but everything I have heard about it suggests it partakes in exactly the tendencies that I am condemning. First of all she's on a listening tour doing consultations and town halls. I guess there's some merit to that since it might help identify and network with key supporters (presumably it's also a way for her to position herself for the leadership contest by identifying potential supporters). But honestly I am beyond tired of politicians doing listening tours and consultations. I think people are tired of being told they are being listened to and want someone to actually step up and offer some bold solutions. It's especially grating because the basic problems like a lack of job security or low wages or an overall high cost of living are not exactly obscure. We generally know what the problem is and we need to move on toward actually debating solutions. Further, when you actually look at the way her listening tour is described it seems to partake in the same language of victimization. Rather than actually treating precarious workers as a group that could be mobilized and turned into a political constituency, she seems to be turning them into poverty-porn for baby boomers. Here's a quote from a Star article describing her tour: quote:This is because the MP is in the middle of a cross-country tour of sorts, hosting town halls on the subject of precarious employment, listening to the grievances of young people from Halifax to the West Coast who feel they will never be able to settle down, have kids or (the biggest long shot, especially in Toronto and Vancouver) buy a house. And this quote from the end of the article is even worse: quote:She hopes, however, that by making the issue of precarious millennial labour official, via “town halls” like the one she conducted last week, older leaders and perhaps the public at large will have a change of heart. This is the most asinine and stupid form of (small l) liberalism conceivable. For one thing it gives the impression that she's written off actual millenials or precarious workers and is basically just mining their suffering to generate NDP campaign aids that will be targeted at their parents and grandparents. For another, it's completely lacking in dignity. Instead of saying people should be angry at the conditions imposed on them and that htey should fight for their fair share she's seemingly adopting the framework that we should all feel pity in our hearts for these poor souls who don't have decent jobs. Pity is a useless loving emotion in politics. How about instead of a pity party where the NDP jobs and employment critic talks in vacuous and vague terms about the need for greater understanding and sympathy we have somebody who actually says "precarious workers are getting screwed and they are pissed off about it". How about actually focusing on how to organize these people and how to convince them to vote as though their votes could actually improve their economic situations. How about picking specific issues that we already know the public is sensitive toward such as Temporary Foreign Workers and actually drawing blood from the Trudeau government for once? The Trudeau government is quietly discussing how to remove the requirements that certain employers must prove they tried to hire a Canadian worker first. Why isn't the NDP screaming bloody murder about this? We know the public doesn't like TFWs, and this is a fairly blatant reversal of criticisms Trudeau made before the election. And this could be tied into the extremely cozy relationship that Bill Morneau and other top Liberals have with big business. But god forbid that the NDP employment critique should actually seem angry or that the NDP might connect the dots between our conservative millionaire finance minister's sketchy closed-door fundraisers and a government program that is directly tied to wage suppression. That would be too scary and divisive and it might upset the National Post and Globe and Mail. And this seems to be a systemic problem with the NDP because the Leap manifesto displayed the same broken attitude, where it seems like the intention is to guilt middle class people into caring about the environment. The NDP has this weirdly Christian mindset where instead of appealing to people's anger or self interest it tries to use guilt and pity. Its an attitude that might play alright with a small and diminishing handful of old left baby boomers in the Deep Annex but it's not a recipe for actually winning political fights.
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Maybe they could position themselves as the party that would support enforcing existing labour laws. Not even reform, just actually work to prevent businesses from misclassifying employees as contractors, and forcing people into unpaid overtime. Support criminal penalties for infractions and improve whistleblower protections to encourage people to come forward about abuses.
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That might be a good position to take up, "we will enforce existing laws that currently aren't being upheld", but my point is really about the overall tone and rhetoric of the party rather than any specific policy. The NDP needs to be more willing to attack the system from a populist perspective rather than acting like a scolding church minister or school teacher.
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I don't know how far Niki Ashton would get by channeling Howard Beale, but I bet it would be entertaining if nothing else.
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