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Peel posted:Harry Reid's statement: http://www.reid.senate.gov/press_releases/2016-11-11-reid-statement-on-the-election-of-donald-trump#.WCXUjsQ8KnM Harry Reid can gently caress off. Nobody bought the Trump is a russian plant thing Harry. You can stop talking about Vlad.
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tadashi posted:People hated Hillary so much that she swept the Southern states and crushed Bernie in Pennsylvania.
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tadashi posted:At some point you have to realize what's done is done and stop banging the drum for the same poo poo the GOP has been hammering into people's heads for 25 years. You can say the campaign was poo poo and realize this at the same time. The point is she won in states that absolutely were not going to go Democrat, and Bernie won in the states that actually decided the election. Pointing to the south as proof Hillary had wide support, which I don't disagree with, is pointless because it didn't matter in the larger picture.
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Thoguh posted:Harry Reid can gently caress off. hey hey hey! That Russian Plant is our President now
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VikingSkull posted:The point is she won in states that absolutely were not going to go Democrat, and Bernie won in the states that actually decided the election. Pointing to the south as proof Hillary had wide support, which I don't disagree with, is pointless because it didn't matter in the larger picture. I don't think the response to this is that she won the bad states in the primary. The response is that she pulled the already reliable Democratic voters without bringing in any new blood. She was poison to independents, young people, and rural voters. And we knew that and people argued it didn't matter, just like they argued it didn't matter she was under federal investigation. We all got hoodwinked and lied to by the pundits throughout the entire primary process. The polls showing Hillary will struggle with Trump don't matter because it's early, is something they said and people repeated
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Fast Luck posted:Well, she did win PA, FL, OH in the primary, which are crucial swing states (that she then went on to lose) That's a fair point.
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Fast Luck posted:Well, she did win PA, FL, OH in the primary, which are crucial swing states (that she then went on to lose) "Won"
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Peel posted:tbf she probably would have won with better data This race was against the most unorganized campaign in decades if not centuries. Even with bad data it should not have been remotely competitive. If Clinton had squeaked it out all of the structural issues would remain and the first competent RNC candidate to take up Trump's unfocused populism would crush the Dems in the midwest.
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LmaoTheKid posted:"Boy howdy, that Hillary, she did so well in a primary she helped rig in her favor with people who love her! Look at all those southern states she won and then lost in the GE while not paying attention to states she lost in the primaries. God I love her!" -an idiot "Look at how she took over the Democratic Party! Of course she'll win the election!" -Many idiots, including myself, 72 hours ago We were out of touch with the needs of huge chunks of our population, and we loving lost because of it. That's okay! That's supposed to happen! It happens because if it didn't, we'd get worse and worse at reading the population and eventually you'd have a violent overthrow and lose everything. People are loving pissed off and that's why every election in the last decade besides 2012 was a gently caress you to whoever was in power. We're now the heirs to that! The question isn't if we'll win in 2018 and 2020 - the question is if we put in people who will actually help fix our structural problems, or if we're gonna elect some dumb bullshit that's just gonna get washed out again in 2022 and 2024.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:"I'm gonna drop a factory right into the middle of this town, and we're gonna make the fuckers who sold you out pay for it!" is going to win you votes, dude. As long as its a factory that makes the same widgets that the previous factory did. Trump is not promising these workers jobs in factories for the new economy - his appeal was promising to bring back the exact same types of jobs that were lost. The Democrats can't, and shouldn't promise to bring back Carrier air conditioner factory jobs. A false promise of restoring old glory is always going to win out over a pledge to build some new kind of prosperity. Everyone trying to figure out how to reach out to blue collar white voters in the rust belt is wasting their time. Trump has the winning message for them, and the Democratic Party is not going to top that. The winning formula for the Democrats is to attract white, college educated voters - who still favored Trump. They can appeal to those voters far easier, and far more authentically, and trying to chase down the Trump base is only going to result in more failure.
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Found this for the dead candidate thread but I wanted to post it here to in order to remind everybody of the evening when C-SPAM peaked. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajdSgvmj5Ps
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https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/797068041842520064
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Thoguh posted:Harry Reid can gently caress off. that's uh, not the main thrust of that statement
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zen death robot posted:Who's pushing strong for a city/county merger? Haha you think that is going to happen ever
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We just got poo poo on by a loud lunatic we are the mensheviks again except more poo poo like Kadets time to be less Kerensky and more Lenin
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 17:06 |
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If someone coins the term "Western Spring" I'll lose my poo poo wait it was me, I think I did it
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A new DNC challenger approaches https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/797105432074588160
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Hey I wanted to thank you for sticking with this thread, and I really hope others from the campaign are watching this thread and taking notes. Amen. Jesus loving christ capitalism. We are fed thus crock of poo poo that if we work hard and do a good job we will be rewarded. That we can't accept help or free hand outs because needing help and charity is weak and a sign of failure. We are told we must provide for ourselves and if our situation is poo poo we have to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps. But all that work hard and don't complain bootstraps bullshit did is create a labor class that was ripe for exploitation. That got underpaid for their work. And when their needs and costs started cutting into profit margins these people's loyalties were not rewarded. They were thrown to the loving wolves and abandoned while the companies they had loyally worked at for decades hosed off to China, or India, or Vietnam or Bangladesh or wherever so that they could make a bigger profit for themselves. And Democrats told them they would help then and kept them on the line and strung them along and never really loving delivered and gently caress us. Now Trump is doing the same. And Trump is right to blame the establishment and blame the Democrats. But he's not right about blaming the Mexicans and the Muslims. They should not be angry at the people who are just as much victims of this flawed system as they are. This crab bucketing, this divisive tactic of divide and conquer is what is keeping Americans from creating real change. We're too busy squabbling and hating each other to focus on the people really at fault which is the rich elites, the corporations and our bought politicians who sold us out for their own profit and continue to bleed us dry. We were so worried about corporate interests controlling the government but they always have and by voting in Trump we have handed the government over to corporate interests completely. All because we were desperate for salvation. gently caress capitalism.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 17:08 |
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Venom Snake posted:Seriously it pisses me off when people suggest that we should lust for the days of when people died of ruined lungs and asbestos poisoning (but everyone had a job right?). We need to give these people a chance to enjoy the prosperity that others are getting to enjoy. Guaranteed minimum income. Programs to resettle people stuck in dead rural towns. Rebuilding of infrastructure. Bring them into the 21st Century; don't doom them to living in the 20th century forever. Buddy? gently caress you. e; Alright, in the spirit of being somewhat constructive instead of just angry, here's how that reads: "You've been watching your sons and daughters pack up and leave for the past 30 years, and we want to make that happen more quickly." Speaking as a person in the rust belt, I don't want my friends and family to leave. As baffling as it might sound, many of us living here like our homes, we like our neighbors, we love our families. Personally, I like the Great Lake I grew up on the shore of, I like the climate, I like the trees and the black squirrels and a whole host of other things about where I live. Someone who considers my home "flyover country" telling me they want to "resettle" me makes me see red, and tells me they don't actually give a gently caress about my life. a messed up horse has issued a correction as of 17:39 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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TyrantWD posted:As long as its a factory that makes the same widgets that the previous factory did. Trump is not promising these workers jobs in factories for the new economy - his appeal was promising to bring back the exact same types of jobs that were lost. Trump didn't offer them poo poo besides revenge. The problem is the Democratic Party offers them nothing at all. What would you do if you lost everything? If your jobs were gone, your town collapsed, your buddy killed himself, your wife divorced you, your kids are either embarrassed and fleeing or stuck in poo poo? What would you choose if one person offered nothing and another one offered revenge? It costs us literally nothing to offer these people something else. Who the gently caress is going to stop voting Democratic because we went to small towns and promised to open up green energy factories or research centers or health clinics?
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DaveWoo posted:A new DNC challenger approaches Just like we all took a hard look at his hard abs. Save us MO'M.
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I mean a third party would be cool, but Sanders essentially just inherited a brand name product for the price of nothing at all.
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Thoguh posted:Harry Reid can gently caress off. lol Harry Reid delivered the goods in his state. Don't blame him.
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DaveWoo posted:A new DNC challenger approaches gently caress off mom
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Peel posted:that's uh, not the main thrust of that statement No, but he couldn't help to bring it up. He can still gently caress off though. He was part of the group that did everything the possibly could to bury Bernie and hold up Hillary.
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I mean for gently caress's sake these people were savaged by the capitalist class and now desperately need help. Aren't these the people the Democratic Party are supposed to help?
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Hilario Baldness posted:I mean a third party would be cool, but Sanders essentially just inherited a brand name product for the price of nothing at all. Brand's kinda tarnished, tho
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Thoguh posted:Harry Reid can gently caress off. https://twitter.com/immolations/status/796751694763790339 Talk about counterproductive. She could have been spending that time actually ranting about billionaihs from Wall Street or you know anything positive for once but chose this instead
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DaveWoo posted:A new DNC challenger approaches Martin O'Malley can gently caress off
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jesus if O'Malley is running, that means multiple establishment candidates. the fact that they couldn't get schumer is still hopeful because to give you an idea of how much of a clintonite schumer is this was in october
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That's a great statement from Harry Reid. I strongly agree with a lot in this thread, that an actual economic vision is needed rather than a shaming-based campaign, and that the failings of the DNC and Third Wayism are many, but neither should we ignore the pain and fear a lot of vulnerable groups are feeling right now. To deny racism and sexism and authoritarianism would be as grave a mistake as was focusing entirely on them. Let's not replace one bubble with another.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 17:15 |
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DaveWoo posted:Brand's kinda tarnished, tho only in the same sense that coca cola got tarnished after new coke
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I'm like 11 pages behind but given the attitudes from the Democratic voters in this thread, we probably have a better chance of turning the Republican party into the socialist party. We just won't call it socialism.
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I learned a very hard lesson earlier this year that nothing good ever comes from Maryland and, as such, I will do everything in my power to stop Martin O'Malley from making us all have to learn it.
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Thoguh posted:No, but he couldn't help to bring it up. reid knows how to build a machine to turnout voters that isn't smoke and mirror's like robby mook's failure and owed his seat to organized labor. nevada is literally the only bright spot for organized labor in the country because the dems there did not poo poo on it. he can be utilized after pennance is done to push things like support for organized labor that isn't bullshit.
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Modus Pwnens posted:That's a great statement from Harry Reid. "The Democratic Party fights for social and economic justice for All Americans. We'll fight like hell for citizens who face legal and social discrimination every moment of their lives, and we'll fight like hell to bring opportunity back to hard working Americans who were sold out."
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:"The Democratic Party fights for social and economic justice for All Americans. We'll fight like hell for citizens who face legal and social discrimination every moment of their lives, and we'll fight like hell to bring opportunity back to hard working Americans who were sold out." sounds like a bunch of sjws to me
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Oh another crazy prediction: I think Blutah 2020 will be a thing, as the Harry Reid / Ken Jennings faction of Mormons get a new revelation through to finally give up on bothering gentiles about abortion and go back to their socialism and public works economic roots. Plus they get to join the coalition reshaping the western states around them that hasn't threatened to literally commit genocide against them in the last election. If you had put McMuffin's votes in the D column it would've happened this year. Also they are totally going to legalize weed, because they're quickly becoming surrounded by states with nice mountain resorts and legal weed, tourism is a huge part of their economy, and the drop in ski business is already starting to spook them, from what I hear.
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Zikan posted:jesus if O'Malley is running, that means multiple establishment candidates. the fact that they couldn't get schumer is still hopeful because to give you an idea of how much of a clintonite schumer is holy lol decently-off suburban republicans aren't going to vote for the party of blm dude we talk about getting back white working class voters not because that's trump's or the republicans' mainstay but because it's the only part of it theoretically winnable
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Phi230 posted:We just got poo poo on by a loud lunatic goddamn right
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