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So I live in Florida, still at school and younger than Venom Snake, but I'm pissed as hell and I can't take it anymore. Already wrote the email to Bernie about Keith Ellison. I have the summer free, what can I do within in the Democrat Party system?
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Nov 12, 2016 00:45
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VirtualStranger posted:https://twitter.com/People4Bernie/status/796280444849307648 Yes, after it failed to take hold during the post Gilded age of progressivism, after it failed to take hold along with the bolshevik revolution, after it failed to take hold in the aftermath of the desolation of the Great Depression, after it failed to take hold along with the reforms ushered in by FDR, after it failed to take hold along with LBJ's Great Society and civil rights, after it failed to take hold during the upheaval of the Vietnam War, I'm absolutely positive that Socialism in the U.S. is ready to take hold and spread any day now; honest I swear it's gonna happen.
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Nov 12, 2016 00:47
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This thread is real good and has been a great sanity check for me today. Phoneposting but much respect.
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Nov 12, 2016 00:48
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Terror Sweat posted:why is the dnc chair at that conference the only excusable answer is that she's staying in that hotel and by that i mean she still faces a reeducation camp instead of a guillotine
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Nov 12, 2016 00:48
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Terror Sweat posted:why is the dnc chair at that conference I think its one of those things were members of both sides get together and back pat each other about civility and poo poo and then go back to damning each other to hell afterwards, that's the only possible reasons she'd be going to it
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Nov 12, 2016 00:47
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Abrasive Obelisk posted:So I live in Florida, still at school and younger than Venom Snake, but I'm pissed as hell and I can't take it anymore. Already wrote the email to Bernie about Keith Ellison. I have the summer free, what can I do within in the Democrat Party system? go find donna brazile at the conference in florida and yell at her
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Nov 12, 2016 00:47
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like I'm all for being civil to my opponents even if they're utter slime because a politely-phrased no is still a no, but these sorts of events are always transparent bullshit
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Nov 12, 2016 00:48
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Why the gently caress is Nigel Farage a thing in here, I mean.... gah.
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Nov 12, 2016 00:51
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i've been keeping an eye on the amount of people looking at the spread sheet i put together for aiding in a progressive takeover of the dnc and it's grown steadily since i've posted it i'm really proud of you all not just giving up hope if you haven't done it yet please check out http://www.glyphgryph.com/index.html so we can take over the dnc it will be hard and long but it's something you can do
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Nov 12, 2016 00:51
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https://twitter.com/freddiedeboer/status/797151438195589120 Hey Zikan, feel free to make a thread about it
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Nov 12, 2016 00:52
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radical meme posted:Yes, after it failed to take hold during the post Gilded age of progressivism, after it failed to take hold along with the bolshevik revolution, after it failed to take hold in the aftermath of the desolation of the Great Depression, after it failed to take hold along with the reforms ushered in by FDR, after it failed to take hold along with LBJ's Great Society and civil rights, after it failed to take hold during the upheaval of the Vietnam War, I'm absolutely positive that Socialism in the U.S. is ready to take hold and spread any day now; honest I swear it's gonna happen. Right now there's a real grassroots push for something that's to the left of the tepid wonky line that Clinton mumbled during the election. I'm willing to give a try unless you, radical meme, have a better suggestion.
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Nov 12, 2016 00:53
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Typo posted:lol mark suckenberg gave him $100 mil to spend on chartered schools which he flushed down the drain ..moar... moar
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Nov 12, 2016 00:55
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In discussing this with others I found out more people than I thought had actual loyalty to the Democratic Party than I thought. To me they are just a service organization: they deliver candidates who I want to vote for and who can win elections (or they can completely blow it and lose to an amateur). I don't have any particular feeling about them beyond that. I need to get in touch with the touchy feely feelings that some people have about that organization if I'm going to argue about its future I guess.
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Nov 12, 2016 00:57
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http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/305663-sanders-eyeing-senate-leadership-bid bernie staffer saying he's gunning for senate leadership position (not minority leader, fyi) get in
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Nov 12, 2016 00:56
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'you sound optimistic but what if you only get reforms equivalent to the civil rights act and the creation of medicare and medicaid' is a kind of weird line
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Nov 12, 2016 00:58
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Well What Now posted:Right now there's a real grassroots push for something that's to the left of the tepid wonky line that Clinton mumbled during the election. I'm willing to give a try unless you, radical meme, have a better suggestion. Not at all; I'm merely pointing out that there is a difference between progressive ideology and socialism. We don't need to be shouting for socialism, eat the rich, at every level of the government. It's looking an awful lot like Hillary lost a fair share of Obama voters because of both parties full embrace of globalism and Trump was the only one saying he was going to protect everybody's job; he's not but that's beside the point. edit; plus, socialism has just never taken hold here and there were plenty of times in our history that were more favorable to its rise. radical meme has issued a correction as of 01:02 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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Nov 12, 2016 00:57
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Atrocious Joe posted:
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Nov 12, 2016 00:58
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radical meme posted:Not at all; I'm merely pointing out that there is a difference between progressive ideology and socialism. We don't need to be shouting for socialism, eat the rich, at every level of the government. It's looking an awful lot like Hillary lost a fair share of Obama voters because of both parties full embrace of globalism and Trump was the only one saying he was going to protect everybody's job; he's not but that's beside the point. In that case I agree 100%. I'm tired and frustrated and angry so my reading comprehension isn't what it should be.
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Nov 12, 2016 01:00
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Samurai Sanders posted:In discussing this with others I found out more people than I thought had actual loyalty to the Democratic Party than I thought. To me they are just a service organization: they deliver candidates who I want to vote for and who can win elections (or they can completely blow it and lose to an amateur). I don't have any particular feeling about them beyond that. I need to get in touch with the touchy feely feelings that some people have about that organization if I'm going to argue about its future I guess. this is why the 'make a new party' talk is so weird coming from generic progressives rather than actual communists the neoliberal hold on the party is at its moment of greatest ever weakness, at the moment a genuinely short-term dangerous man and party have seized power in the united states. it's the worst possible time to ignore all current institutions and start on the decadal task of building a completely new party with all the loyalty and prestige a national party can command
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Nov 12, 2016 00:59
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:Hey Zikan, feel free to make a thread about it i'm in talks with from what i can tell is the primary draft keith org for a more formal note then the crap i threw together lol i'll post one when we get it together
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Nov 12, 2016 00:59
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Larry Parrish posted:It's honestly loving insane to me that the Democrats still think they lost an election purely to sexism and not class struggle. If anything it just shows you how amazingly sheltered the ruling elite are. It's several factors that lead to the loss of this election. One of those factors is classism.
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Nov 12, 2016 01:01
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anime was right posted:http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/305663-sanders-eyeing-senate-leadership-bid even when i was a hill shill i was advocating for sanders being majority leader 
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Nov 12, 2016 01:01
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Terror Sweat posted:why is the dnc chair at that conference *Interm Probably enjoying her time while she can
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Nov 12, 2016 01:00
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Hilario Baldness posted:Agreed, but I would point to the media. Bernie Sanders proposed a new system that would raise up all different groups (rising tide raises all buoys), and the media snubbed him and made it seem like he wasn't doing enough for the different ethnic minority groups when that was completely preposterous. And this isn't a series of posts serving as a sloppy blowjob for Bernie, but his movement had a lot of aspects that we need to take seriously. He said it was important to help the communities that have the longest generational poverty status, which are disproportionally minority. Republicans can't argue against helping poor people who have lovely run down towns because they're so poor, even if they are a black community or some other minority. I tried to explain that months ago during all the hallabahlub and got yelled at that white people deserve nothing and it should specifically target minority/black communities.
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Nov 12, 2016 01:00
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Zikan posted:i've been keeping an eye on the amount of people looking at the spread sheet i put together for aiding in a progressive takeover of the dnc and it's grown steadily since i've posted it I put it in the OP!
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Nov 12, 2016 01:01
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Well What Now posted:he's not wrong but it's way the wrong drat time to say this maybe i'm just being a douche here, but this poo poo is driving me loving insane. a dude who didn't win the popular vote, has no experience, was colluding or at least complicit in the illegal hacking of a loving political party by a foreign country, and has said and proposed horrid bullshit is the president elect. they're treating this loving rear end in a top hat with kid gloves, and the media is completely uninterested. "well it turns out russia admitted that is was in contact with trump and his staffers the whole time, now look at this guy who photoshops himself into some d-list tart's photos! that's news!" seriously, gently caress all of these people. i feel like the liberal version of a goddamn breitbart reader, how the gently caress is this all going down without incident? i honestly can't believe that it's all getting swept under the rug by everyone with any power.
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Nov 12, 2016 01:01
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OAquinas posted:"Its complicated" Yes. This is true.
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Nov 12, 2016 01:02
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Samurai Sanders posted:In discussing this with others I found out more people than I thought had actual loyalty to the Democratic Party than I thought. To me they are just a service organization: they deliver candidates who I want to vote for and who can win elections (or they can completely blow it and lose to an amateur). I don't have any particular feeling about them beyond that. I need to get in touch with the touchy feely feelings that some people have about that organization if I'm going to argue about its future I guess. You don't actually have to give a hoot in hell about the Democratic Party as an institution. I honestly don't, except for the fact that right now, they're realistically all there is to work with for the immediate future. In a few years' time there may be a genuinely new political party born, but right now it's the Democrats or gently caress all.
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Nov 12, 2016 01:02
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radical meme posted:Yes, after it failed to take hold during the post Gilded age of progressivism, after it failed to take hold along with the bolshevik revolution, after it failed to take hold in the aftermath of the desolation of the Great Depression, after it failed to take hold along with the reforms ushered in by FDR, after it failed to take hold along with LBJ's Great Society and civil rights, after it failed to take hold during the upheaval of the Vietnam War, I'm absolutely positive that Socialism in the U.S. is ready to take hold and spread any day now; honest I swear it's gonna happen. Alright. What's your opinion on where the dems should go from here?
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Nov 12, 2016 01:04
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A Winner is Jew posted:alternatively, the ocean levels aren't rising fast enough trump will actually fix this one
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Nov 12, 2016 01:05
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Well What Now posted:You don't actually have to give a hoot in hell about the Democratic Party as an institution. I honestly don't, except for the fact that right now, they're realistically all there is to work with for the immediate future. In a few years' time there may be a genuinely new political party born, but right now it's the Democrats or gently caress all. Parties themselves can change their stances and style in drastic ways; look at the dramatic change after the civil rights act was passed as an example. The Democratic Party as a structure can be used as a framework by people who want to redirect that to better use.
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Nov 12, 2016 01:05
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BUSH 2112 posted:maybe i'm just being a douche here, but this poo poo is driving me loving insane. a dude who didn't win the popular vote, has no experience, was colluding or at least complicit in the illegal hacking of a loving political party by a foreign country, and has said and proposed horrid bullshit is the president elect. they're treating this loving rear end in a top hat with kid gloves, and the media is completely uninterested. "well it turns out russia admitted that is was in contact with trump and his staffers the whole time, now look at this guy who photoshops himself into some d-list tart's photos! that's news!" Because as much as I'd like a miracle to happen and for faithless electors to ratfuck Trump in the electoral college, that's a cure that manages to be even worse than the disease. That kind of thing is how failed states happen. The United States survives because we respect the institution of the government even when it doesn't deserve a goddamned thing. Trump could well be a paid-up Putin robotic clone but until there's real, actionable proof he did something illegal, the rules of the game have to be followed or else there'll be a goddamned free-for-all.
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Nov 12, 2016 01:06
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BUSH 2112 posted:maybe i'm just being a douche here, but this poo poo is driving me loving insane. a dude who didn't win the popular vote, has no experience, was colluding or at least complicit in the illegal hacking of a loving political party by a foreign country, and has said and proposed horrid bullshit is the president elect. they're treating this loving rear end in a top hat with kid gloves, and the media is completely uninterested. "well it turns out russia admitted that is was in contact with trump and his staffers the whole time, now look at this guy who photoshops himself into some d-list tart's photos! that's news!" Guess what. Trump won so now they are trying to curry favor with him. Although I will say Trump has woken some individual reporters up to the danger Trump poses to the free press.
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Nov 12, 2016 01:06
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also lol @ the dems blaming voter suppression. what was in your power to stop that? win local elections and prevent lovely laws from stopping your constituents from voting. but nah, had to put all the money on the big H train.
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Nov 12, 2016 01:07
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anime was right posted:also lol @ the dems blaming voter suppression. what was in your power to stop that? win local elections and prevent lovely laws from stopping your constituents from voting. but nah, had to put all the money on the big H train. Obama is also heavily at fault for this.
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Nov 12, 2016 01:08
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anime was right posted:http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/305663-sanders-eyeing-senate-leadership-bid do it bernie and fix this loving poo poo
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Nov 12, 2016 01:08
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Well What Now posted:he's not wrong but it's way the wrong drat time to say this this. apart from some dickhead opportunists in Portland turning it into a riot. they have been peaceful. if they start dragging people into the streets and smashing their heads in. BUSH 2112 posted:maybe i'm just being a douche here, but this poo poo is driving me loving insane. a dude who didn't win the popular vote, has no experience, was colluding or at least complicit in the illegal hacking of a loving political party by a foreign country, and has said and proposed horrid bullshit is the president elect. they're treating this loving rear end in a top hat with kid gloves, and the media is completely uninterested. "well it turns out russia admitted that is was in contact with trump and his staffers the whole time, now look at this guy who photoshops himself into some d-list tart's photos! that's news!" i agree, its bullshit, but what do you want someone to do, if he gets convicted he might get hosed over but that probaly wont happen. some fuckedup people have been wanting kill him and thats loving awful and retarded. because if that happens, everything is hosed and probably forever, the fat gently caress will be a conservative martyr and pence will rule in his place and do even worse because he actually CARES about loving over QUILTBAGS and the whores.
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Nov 12, 2016 01:09
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Venom Snake posted:Guess what. Trump won so now they are trying to curry favor with him. Although I will say Trump has woken some individual reporters up to the danger Trump poses to the free press. trump has woken more then just some reporters. alot of the left is woken from this too. it put the whole DNC in defence/last stand mode and now they actually have to rebuild to survive.
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anime was right posted:http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/305663-sanders-eyeing-senate-leadership-bid bernie will be the Генеральный секретарь obviously
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