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Wikkheiser posted:Yeah I wouldn't call Long a communist, as communists at the time considered him to be a fascist. (Look up CPUSA literature on him -- back when the CPUSA was an extension of the Comintern.) coughlin didnt really become an antisemite fascist until after Long died. he basically hijacked the organization Long built and turned into a fascist thing Wikkheiser posted:
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punk rebel ecks posted:What made Huey Long "fascist"? Or "authoritarian"? What did he do that was so shocking? he crushed a white supremacist/reactionary revolt with force and they cried fascism and communism and then he consolidated power rather undemocratically quote:Opponents increasingly invoked the memory of the Battle of Liberty Place of 1874, in which the White League staged an uprising against Louisiana's Reconstruction-era government. In January 1935, an anti-Long paramilitary organization called the Square Deal Association was formed. Its members included former governors John M. Parker and Ruffin G. Pleasant and New Orleans Mayor T. Semmes Walmsley. On January 25, 200 armed Square Dealers took over the courthouse of East Baton Rouge Parish. Long had Governor Allen call out the National Guard, declare martial law, ban public gatherings of two or more persons, and forbid the publication of criticism of state officials. The Square Dealers left the courthouse, but there was a brief armed skirmish at the Baton Rouge Airport. Tear gas and live ammunition were fired; one person was wounded but there were no fatalities.
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:Peronism benefited a certain sect of elite, whereas Long was an out and out populist whose base of support were poor white farmers in the north of LA. he was at war with the wealthy of the entire state the entire time he was governor and senator, which eventually got him killed.
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:honestly id compare him to a Hugo Chavez without the leftist trappings This sounds like a good comparison. Except that Long seemed to improve Louisiana. Chavez loving destroyed his country.
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Please, please no Howie Dean, just no. Also I really wish there were more resources for finding out local positions. Trying to make sense of this St. Louis mayoral race is very difficult starting from scratch.
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anime was right posted:http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/obama-clinton-democrats-231301 Is the democratic leadership con artists? Cause it kind of seems like the only reliable skill they have is to convince people to trust them with money. The idea of wanting to hear more from Hillary Clinton feels like the idea of sending your third large payment to a Nigerian prince. FuriousxGeorge has issued a correction as of 08:36 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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quote:“After they drove the car into the ditch, made it as difficult as possible for us to pull it back, now they want the keys back,” Obama said of the GOP. “No! You can’t drive. We don’t want to have to go back into the ditch. We just got the car out.” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/14/obama-mocks-gop-you-drove_n_576170.html
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Segmentation Fault posted:Jesus Christ, Denton. look out DNC a bomb
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punk rebel ecks posted:How did the Democrats gently caress up THIS BAD!? Someone was too busy clearing the field of anyone in the DNC that would possibly question the Nominee for 2016.
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punk rebel ecks posted:What made Huey Long "fascist"? Or "authoritarian"? What did he do that was so shocking? He said mean things about oil companies in Louisiana.
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Typo posted:The democrats are losing more elections aren't they Your going to have more of these articles and most of them are just people venting. The majority of these people have never given a rats rear end about politics so to them it's all just loud oppressive noise. It's harmless so long as actual real strategists ignore them (as in ignore their reactionary stuff, not their concern) also: 
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https://twitter.com/jakebackpack/status/797817209187864576 this is a good thread to read, about the differences between the democratic and republican parties as organizations, and why democrats keep getting owned (sorry i dont know how to embed tweets) e: or here is the whole thing without numbering quote:Common trope in media criticism: the media is/was structurally incapable of noting that the GOP is no longer a "normal" political party. Wrong! The GOP is a normal political party. It's the Democrats that are something else. The GOP is a distasteful, racist, weird party. Sure. But its fundamental commitment at all levels is getting itself elected. That's what parties do. Their whole purpose is to provide an infrastructure through which individual candidates can win office. The Democrats, on the other hand, are something more like a nebulous consultancy for people too lazy to finish grad school. The Democrats are a "strategic communications firm" that bills city govs looking for "smart solutions" to "the problems of tomorrow." I make fun of the GOP as a party of professional grifters, which they are. But the Braziles of the world are running the *real* scam. In the immortal words of Frank Zappa, "we're only in it for the money." If you try to understand the Democrats as a political party, you come away confused. If you consider them a "think tank," they make sense. Like a think tank, their main purpose is to employ failed academics, the Yglesii of the world pretending to do research. The Dems' main concern is to scam 6-fig salaries for guys with Ivy-League BAs, too dumb to manage grad schools language requirements. We laugh about all the right-wing welfare publications, but the whole Democratic party is welfare for Ivy-League mediocrities. The GOP is lovely, but it's a regular, recognizable political party. Sure, it's got plenty of scammers, but at a fundamental level? What did the GOP do, in and out of power? It thought about winning elections, starting at the state level. What did the Dems do? They gave each other jobs. When they accidentally got power, they dithered and compromised. People mock Trump's laziness, but what did Obama do in the first 100 days with a supermajority? Make some laconic comments? So I will join you in fighting against the "normalization" of Trump, but I won't let you pretend the GOP is something new. The GOP is America's right-wing party. It has been for nearly a century. It is the Democrats who became something weirder. "For every vote we lose in central PA, we'll gain 2 republicans in the suburbs?" Lol. Sounds like a "communications" grift to me. Sell that poo poo to the under-funded non-profit down the road. I'm not buying. Swan Oat has issued a correction as of 09:22 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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Swan Oat posted:https://twitter.com/jakebackpack/status/797817209187864576 No one expects the SA software just to make something easy for you.
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So I was thinking about potential steps steps for the Democratic party to take, and I remembered the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populist_Caucus which was formed in 2008 and effectively went defunct went Bruce Braley was left to pursue a Senate seat in 2014. Keith Ellison was a member, and though the group was small, it was progressive and centered around the needs of working people and rural areas. My representative is Dave Loebsack, who was a member, so I plan to call his office and ask about a potential revival of the house populist caucus. If your representative is listed as a former member, I would urge you to call and express your desire for them to brush off the cobwebs and make it active again and try to expand it. Or if your representative was not, maybe call and ask them about contacting former representatives active with the caucus to join and represent your district because the issues they represent are important to you. There is a lot of overlap with the house progressive caucus, but the populist caucus has some genuine room to work with any honest republicans out there on issues concerning workers.
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tower time posted:So I was thinking about potential steps steps for the Democratic party to take, and I remembered the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populist_Caucus which was formed in 2008 and effectively went defunct went Bruce Braley was left to pursue a Senate seat in 2014. Keith Ellison was a member, and though the group was small, it was progressive and centered around the needs of working people and rural areas. My representative is Dave Loebsack, who was a member, so I plan to call his office and ask about a potential revival of the house populist caucus. If your representative is listed as a former member, I would urge you to call and express your desire for them to brush off the cobwebs and make it active again and try to expand it. Or if your representative was not, maybe call and ask them about contacting former representatives active with the caucus to join and represent your district because the issues they represent are important to you. Do you mind if I add your post to the OP?
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Venom Snake posted:Do you mind if I add your post to the OP? Certainly.
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tower time posted:Certainly. Thank you. Iv not much experience at all with grassroots/progressive stuff so posts like yours are super helpful.
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I'm thinking in the meantime is there away we could get a book recommendation list going? It would be great to have a resource of accessible books that establishes leftist ideology that we can use to recommend to others. I don't know where to start exactly but I would love some more books to read as well.
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Eegah! posted:I'm thinking in the meantime is there away we could get a book recommendation list going? It would be great to have a resource of accessible books that establishes leftist ideology that we can use to recommend to others. I don't know where to start exactly but I would love some more books to read as well. Seconded.
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Venom Snake posted:Your going to have more of these articles and most of them are just people venting. The majority of these people have never given a rats rear end about politics so to them it's all just loud oppressive noise. It's harmless so long as actual real strategists ignore them (as in ignore their reactionary stuff, not their concern) no, this kind of reactionary poo poo is pushing us back
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Thanks. Just like a lot of other places, a lot of us here in Iowa are trying to look at what exactly went wrong and draw on examples from the past for a bit of inspiration. Bruce Braley was my congressman before re-districting, and the populist caucus was his baby. It sadly did not expand far under the Obama years, but it sticks out to me as a "what could have been" situation. Iowa is looking at dark times ahead - we lost the state house and senate for the first time in decades, and we already had a republican governor. He is up for reelection in 2018, but word is the party has learned NOTHING and wants to Dr. Andy Mcguire against him. She is the head of our state party, who had strong ties to Clinton and other than fundraising her tenure was pretty disastrous. I guess a faint ray of hope in this all: Iowa can punish a political party for economic failure very fast. This year we shifted 14 points into republican territory, and that is a horrible thing. But it has happened before. The last time was 1988, when Dukakis won the state 55-45 against Bush Sr. despite Reagan having taken it 53-46 against Mondale in the previous election. 1988 was an election so red that Illinois and California broke for Bush, but Reagan's agricultural policy damaged Iowa in a way the state still has not fully recovered from. Prior to 1988 Iowa had been solidly Republican outside of electoral avalanches. Democrats can win people back here, but the party needs to give everyone something to hold onto.
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Idk if its just a 'culture' thing but the democrats have literally never run someone for my district that isn't literally an ivory tower elite. How the gently caress is someone born into money going to relate to a place where 70K a year is considered upper class.
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Swan Oat posted:https://twitter.com/jakebackpack/status/797817209187864576 A good share.
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Also as long as anyone wants to talk worst CSPAM poster through this election, what about Whiskeyjuvenile and "$250,000 a year is middle class"
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I love how many of those horrible posters were the ones that chased everyone out of the trump thread. As much as people are having issues realizing trump is president, I'm having issues seeing democrats complain, want to do something about it, but won't focus on the 2018 elections.
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tower time posted:Also as long as anyone wants to talk worst CSPAM poster through this election, what about Whiskeyjuvenile and "$250,000 a year is middle class" Ah, the guy who claims to hate neoliberalism but can't seem to stop concern trolling on its behalf
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tower time posted:Also as long as anyone wants to talk worst CSPAM poster through this election, what about Whiskeyjuvenile and "$250,000 a year is middle class" People who would probably join the Libertarian party if the optics weren't so bad.
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Segmentation Fault posted:no, this kind of reactionary poo poo is pushing us back The election just happened. People are going to say a loooooooot of dumb things. Hell I have said a lot of dumb things. Think piece articles on random no-name websites isn't is going to kill us. It's going to be lack of any sort of unified resistance that does.
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So, what's the chance the long-term takeaway for Democrats will be "We won the popular vote, stay the course!" instead of "We lost, time to fix poo poo." Seems like plenty of people have been flocking towards this talking point of "Actually, Hillary did win", and it would be heartbreaking if they managed to capture the discourse.
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Larry Parrish posted:Idk if its just a 'culture' thing but the democrats have literally never run someone for my district that isn't literally an ivory tower elite. How the gently caress is someone born into money going to relate to a place where 70K a year is considered upper class. It's not a culture thing. Ivory tower elites can take lots of time off to campaign. Normal people cannot. steinrokkan posted:So, what's the chance the long-term takeaway for Democrats will be "We won the popular vote, stay the course!" instead of "We lost, time to fix poo poo." Seems like plenty of people have been flocking towards this talking point of "Actually, Hillary did win", and it would be heartbreaking if they managed to capture the discourse. The most Iv seen it used is in the context of trying to give people some hope that the majority of the country doesn't want Trump. He will be president. But he's not welcome in D.C. Of course you will have idiots trying to use it to be all like "I'm not owned!!!" but there's a lotta people whose world got turned upside recently. Hopefully TK gets on board with Keith publically like Chuck and Reid have. Venom Snake has issued a correction as of 10:44 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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steinrokkan posted:So, what's the chance the long-term takeaway for Democrats will be "We won the popular vote, stay the course!" instead of "We lost, time to fix poo poo." Seems like plenty of people have been flocking towards this talking point of "Actually, Hillary did win", and it would be heartbreaking if they managed to capture the discourse. In the end, now that the centrist-wing basically got mega-owned the progressive-wing can just threaten to sit it out. I mean what can you try and whip them with now? A trump presidency? whoops
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Venom Snake posted:The election just happened. People are going to say a loooooooot of dumb things. Hell I have said a lot of dumb things. Think piece articles on random no-name websites isn't is going to kill us. It's going to be lack of any sort of unified resistance that does. See the problem is that these people actually believe this poo poo all the time and are willing to spout off about it, not just post-election when they're stressed and need to ~vent~. I'm not going to excuse what is frankly hateful rhetoric wrapped up in identity politic language because something bad just happened. Racism against Muslims was lovely on September 12th, no excuses for that.
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on the other hand... this is the same party that got owned in 2004 and 2016 by running on the idea that if they're just less awful than the other guy, everyone will vote for them instead. if they haven't realized that strategy doesn't work by now, then threatening to note vote their way next time will just be met with more "but how AWFUL and BAD that trump is, you couldnt pOSSIBLY vote for him??????? not voting for me is voting for him so vote for me" and then, well, congrats to trump winning a second term. the point is, purge the democratic party and start over imo
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Segmentation Fault posted:See the problem is that these people actually believe this poo poo all the time and are willing to spout off about it, not just post-election when they're stressed and need to ~vent~. I'm not going to excuse what is frankly hateful rhetoric wrapped up in identity politic language because something bad just happened. Racism against Muslims was lovely on September 12th, no excuses for that. Well I don't disagree with you.
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One thing I still struggle with is why exactly the Clinton campaign poured so much money into advertising in the Los Angeles area, and California in general. While sheer incompetence or kickbacks to friends seem more likely, I can't help but entertain the small possibility that someone in the campaign actually predicted a Trump victory and made a choice to pour ad money into California to run up popular vote totals for a counter-narrative. It seems incredibly unlikely, and why attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity, but attempts to run up the popular vote total are the only logical reason I can think of to spend big money in California.
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hailthefish posted:Software Engineers and similar 6-figure techbros are really more suited to a 'professional organization' like doctors and lawyers and regular engineers. Tech companies have gotten really good at getting their workers to work more than they should for less compensation/benefits. Loving that shift towards hiring contractors instead of actual employees. They don't have to pay benefits and the contractors have significantly less job security. So good. So beautiful. The shift from awarding workers a set number of paid vacation days a year to allowing them unlimited vacation time. Sounds good but it had the (intended) result of workers taking LESS paid time off because they did not want to be judged by their peers for not working or something. But they screwed themselves too. Right now getting your diverse multi-disciplined workers to brainstorm with each other is all the rage because innovation good. But the companies are finding the workers reluctant to do so. Managers and senior managers bitching about how different branches won't talk to each other or work together. Assume it's out of elitism or greed, that their workers in Division A think they're better than the workers in Division B. Or that workers just don't want to share the credit/reward, etc. It's actually because the company puts the workers on needle thin deadlines and time spent consulting with/engaging with other branches is time not spent finishing the project on time so they are discouraged from and punished for trying to get other disciplines involved. Way to let your toxic, work to death environment stifle creativity and innovation. Top City Homo posted:with chuck schumer and nancy pelosi leading the senate and the house as minority leaders, two old moneyed assholes from tech and wallstreet 
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Top City Homo posted:with chuck schumer and nancy pelosi leading the senate and the house as minority leaders, two old moneyed assholes from tech and wallstreet yknow speaking of this Chuck is not nearly as dumb as I thought he was. Clintons dead campaign wasn't even cold and he was backing Keith
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