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Drone posted:As a gay Trek geek, I can tell you that this is pretty much 100% because of Kate Mulgrew. She has a pretty decently-sized gay following in general as an actor, and therefore gay geeks also love Voyager because of it. Sooo.....why is that? Let me be a totally boring nerd, and say "why would your sexual orientation give you a liking of one thing over another?"
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Nebakenezzer posted:Sooo.....why is that? Let me be a totally boring nerd, and say "why would your sexual orientation give you a liking of one thing over another?" It's probably a strong female actor thing. The same reason gays have classically liked them -- starting with Judy Garland and moving onto the Hepburns, Bette Davis, then onward to Barbara Streisand, Bette Midler, Meryl Streep, etc. There's also a pretty clear divide between professional actors who happen to have a strong gay following (people like Kate Mulgrew or Meryl Streep), or professional actors who are just outright fag hags who actively cultivate that image (Kathy Griffin, Margaret Cho, Joy Behar). It's also not a universal constant among gay people or anything. But when asking why gay men tend to prefer Voyager, it's probably the single strongest motivator. Also Kate Mulgrew is a good actor and worthy of being a fan regardless of whether or not you're straight or gay, aside from some shady drama between her and Jeri Ryan that have often been talked about. Data Graham posted:Some of it is appreciation of performers who are LGBT-friendly (cf. Bea Arthur); some of it is just a cultural bandwagon deal, like it was always a "thing" for gay guys to like Judy Garland, which I imagine was largely "I love her because all my friends love her" which becomes self-perpetuating. Yeah, this, though it's much more than an affectation, which some could interpret your point as meaning. Especially in that era, being gay also meant that you had to accept a specific cultural lexicon (to a certain degree) in order to communicate your sexual orientation on the sly. Being a "friend of Dorothy" was a subtle (for the time) indicator to someone else that you were gay and interested in finding other gay people, in an era where you couldn't just come out and say it without facing gigantic repercussions. The necessity of remaining subtle like that has thankfully faded to basically nil in most of the Western world, but the cultural cornerstone remains to a large degree (though it is fading rapidly with the mainstreaming of public homosexuality). But I'm not sure this is the place to talk about gay cultural cornerstones and the fading institutions of gay culture. Drone fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Nov 21, 2016 |
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Some of it is appreciation of performers who are LGBT-friendly (cf. Bea Arthur); some of it is just a cultural bandwagon deal, like it was always a "thing" for gay guys to like Judy Garland, which I imagine was largely "I love her because all my friends love her" which becomes self-perpetuating.
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Drone posted:But I'm not sure this is the place to talk about gay cultural cornerstones and the fading institutions of gay culture.
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Star Trek also gave us the Mary Sue.
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I don't even know why there is a discussion about why Voyager is the most gay. I mean, just watch it. It's got high heels, prissy male characters, camp value out of the wazoo.
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Hey! I just got a call from Rick Berman. He's too cheap to spend  but he wants all of you gays outta here!
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Drone posted:Yeah, this, though it's much more than an affectation, which some could interpret your point as meaning. Especially in that era, being gay also meant that you had to accept a specific cultural lexicon (to a certain degree) in order to communicate your sexual orientation on the sly. Being a "friend of Dorothy" was a subtle (for the time) indicator to someone else that you were gay and interested in finding other gay people, in an era where you couldn't just come out and say it without facing gigantic repercussions. The necessity of remaining subtle like that has thankfully faded to basically nil in most of the Western world, but the cultural cornerstone remains to a large degree (though it is fading rapidly with the mainstreaming of public homosexuality). Let me tell you about how I carefully studied and memorized the hanky code, in the late 90s At least it helped me get over my fear of being pointed and laughed at by guys I thought were my friends
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MorgaineDax posted:The Fifty-Year Mission: The Complete, Uncensored, Unauthorized Oral History of Star Trek: The First 25 Years really puts emphasis on the uncensored. Apparently, she used to answer the phone 'Hello? Coon's coon speaking, how can I help?' in the thickest southern accent possible. Now THAT is a lady with a sense of humour.
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Trickjaw posted:Apparently, she used to answer the phone 'Hello? Coon's coon speaking, how can I help?' in the thickest southern accent possible. Now THAT is a lady with a sense of humour.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yeah I was going to say that you can't leave out that part because I almost fell on the floor when i read that. Her segments of the book were some of the most interesting. I haven't seen the book, but earlier books have quotes and stuff. All the production staff loved her, and I'm sure Gene tried to.. get to know her better
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Trickjaw posted:I haven't seen the book, but earlier books have quotes and stuff. All the production staff loved her, and I'm sure Gene tried to.. get to know her better MorgaineDax included the anecdote where Roddenberry bragged about giving Majel an infection, but here's the preceding bit where she drills into his character: 
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So if you guys love janeway so much let me ask you this Three way with Seven and Janeway while chakotay watches you in?
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 Ande and Gene Coon, the coolest people in the book so far.
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Well, it's over, my marathon of TNG has ended (though i need to watch the special features of season 7 now). The funniest part of the last episode was the show itself recognising that Frakes was to fat and beardy to play a younger version of himself. A part of me wishes i'd started to watch DS9 alongside the final season due to the occasional reference they made to things going on there, but i think i really need a break from Trek for a while. Kin fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Nov 22, 2016 |
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Dicky mouse posted:So if you guys love janeway so much let me ask you this Hell yes.
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Kin posted:Well, it's over, my marathon of TNG has ended (though i need to watch the special features of season 6 now). Nah, we tried doing this and it became super hard to go back to TNG every other episode. "oh this one's a 2 parter, oh this is a really good one, oh that next TNG's a stinker" and we just ended up not watching season 7 of TNG until we finished DS9.
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Dicky mouse posted:So if you guys love janeway so much let me ask you this As long as he stays far from the people I'm boning, a-koo-chee-moya
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I watched the "Enemy Mine" episode of Enterprise today and Trip is pretty much the only likable character on the show at this point (midway through seas 2).
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Trip is kind of a thin character, but he gets some fun lines and the actor is one of the few actually trying on the show. Same with Phlox.
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Kin posted:The funniest part of the last episode was the show itself recognising that Frakes was to fat and beardy to play a younger version of himself. It was more an issue of having to shave his beard, which would have been a problem for the production of Generations that began almost immediately after the series wrapped.
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Dicky mouse posted:Three way with Seven and Janeway while chakotay watches you in? He'd be stoned out of his mind to the point that he's not functionally watching anyhow
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This is the only Janeway threesome anyone should want.
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Does that count as bun up Janeway and hair down Janeway? I don't think it does but I can't immerse myself in this erotic fantasy without knowing who I'm dealing with. BTW this thread owns. Can I hang out with you guys? Trek fandom is God drat terrifying.
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speakhard posted:It was more an issue of having to shave his beard, which would have been a problem for the production of Generations that began almost immediately after the series wrapped. It's also continuity, because past Picard has them head to the All Good Things anomaly before going to Farpoint. Riker wasn't even on board yet.
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Turns out that the only cast member on Discovery is going to be Frakes. Frakes playing every character. A tour de force of acting. And he took no effort to lose weight or dye his hair, either. It's going to be old, grey, balding fat Frakes.
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Gonz posted:Turns out that the only cast member on Discovery is going to be Frakes. I'm sold.
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Kin posted:The funniest part of the last episode was the show itself recognising that Frakes was to fat and beardy to play a younger version of himself. It makes the gimmick of having the Enterprise finale feature Frakes portraying middle-TNG Riker all the more boggling. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 11:50 on Nov 22, 2016 |
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MissAnthropic posted:BTW this thread owns. Can I hang out with you guys? Trek fandom is God drat terrifying. This was my thought a few years ago when I found one of the older threads. I love me some Trek, but with a strong dose of humor. Trek shouldn't be taken too seriously, and goons definitely know what's up vis-à-vis Trek being simultaneously awesome and dumb as hell.  Also: DS9 rules and this thread is an island of sanity in an angry sea of Voyager fandom. Hyperriker posted:Has this shown up here yet? Stop taking screen caps of my dreams, Hyperriker. Delsaber posted:That's exactly the kind of thing I'd build in a Star Trek version of Kerbal Space Program. Ten seconds after launch the warp core would explode from the strain and send every nacelle flying off in a different direction. Isn't there a good Trek mod for KSP? I thought I remember reading about a good one a while back, but it was when I was overworked at the time and I deliberately avoided it in order to be a responsible adult. Then again, I may have just been reading about Trek poo poo people put together in the base game. That seems like a thing you could do alright in vanilla KSP.
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What we're all overlooking here are the three deflector dishes, because god help you if stellar particles hit one of your 32 warp nacelles.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:What we're all overlooking here are the three deflector dishes, because god help you if stellar particles hit one of your 32 warp nacelles. I'm looking at the front and back shuttlebays. Maybe they're connected and it's just one huge hangerbay/shuttlecraft carrier?
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Delsaber posted:That's exactly the kind of thing I'd build in a Star Trek version of Kerbal Space Program. Ten seconds after launch the warp core would explode from the strain and send every nacelle flying off in a different direction. I was going to say that looks like my Kerbal spacecraft design philosophy and I don't see the problem.
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Happy 20th birthday to Star Trek First Contact
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FlamingLiberal posted:Happy 20th birthday to Star Trek First Contact jfc  my youth
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