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fknlo posted:Trump Jr. Held Secret Talks With Russia Supporters Doesn't matter. The entire intelligence community said Russia was blatantly trying to drag Trump over the finish line and it was ignored.
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:How does it cost over $2m? Where does that money go? Are investigations into voter fraud really fronted by the public in the US? http://www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/recount_process_summary_439516_7.pdf here is MI's recount rules for example. quote:A deposit must be submitted with the recount petition for each precinct in which a recount is requested. The
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Quorum posted:Nah, that's why Stein's asking for the cash. The government pays for the election, but if a candidate demands a recount, they pay for the staff time and resources required to pull off that recount. There may be some cases where this requirement is waived, I'm not clear on the details, but Stein definitely doesn't qualify. This is meant to discourage spurious recounts. Makes sense. Carry on.
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zegermans posted:Doesn't matter. The entire intelligence community said Russia was blatantly trying to drag Trump over the finish line and it was ignored. Maybe the Argentina stuff will matter? quote:But the future U.S. president wasn’t an easy man to reach. Trump rejected the State Department’s help in fielding calls from around the world, and chose instead to wing it on unsecured phone lines. It won't e: Have some more! fknlo fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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Yeah, I'm honestly preparing myself for Trump to do his damnest to ruin American Execptionalism while he can. Letting every two-bit spy agency listen in, that's just the beginning.
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Violator posted:I know this has probably been gone over numerous times, but does anybody have any suggested reading on the merits of Common Core? A teacher friend of mine says it's terrible because it just teaches you to pass tests, but the Wikipedia info (lol) says the initial results have been positive. The basic idea seems to make sense to me, but that might not mean much as a layman to the educational structure. Common core is an extremely boring and minor set of standards that people just use the name of to complain about every single unrelated educational anything they don't like. Start looking up people's complaints about common core and you will realize it did not do any of them.
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Trump is a terrifying example of just what angry white Americans will ignore if they can strike out at the Other like Republican propaganda tells them.
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Trabisnikof posted:Yeah, I'm honestly preparing myself for Trump to do his damnest to ruin American Execptionalism while he can. Letting every two-bit spy agency listen in, that's just the beginning. If there is anything that can bring him down it is some other countries anti-corruption effort catching him while going after someone else.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:There is about 18% of Americans, according to that poll, that approve of Obama's Job as President, while simultaneously believing that he has made race relations worse AND that Trump will make them better. Deporting everyone black or brown and/or crushing BLM with an iron fist would, technically, make race relations 'better' (to a white person) I suppose. The KKK vote, basically.
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Trump's Presidency has broken Obama https://twitter.com/SabrinaSiddiqui/status/801514101142913036
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I feel like we should start planning our goon meetup food riots now.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Common core is an extremely boring and minor set of standards that people just use the name of to complain about every single unrelated educational anything they don't like. Start looking up people's complaints about common core and you will realize it did not do any of them. Most of the bitching around common core can be boiled down into "I do not understand math and expect my children to be taught it the same lovely way I was"
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theblackw0lf posted:Trump's Presidency has broken Obama
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Violator posted:I know this has probably been gone over numerous times, but does anybody have any suggested reading on the merits of Common Core? A teacher friend of mine says it's terrible because it just teaches you to pass tests, but the Wikipedia info (lol) says the initial results have been positive. The basic idea seems to make sense to me, but that might not mean much as a layman to the educational structure. You should look into more detailed analysis of Common Core if you're interested. It covers a lot of ground, but the very general points of it are: - Common Core is designed to make sure that even though we have local control of schools, that every kid in the American education system gets a certain specific set of English, Biology, Math, and History curriculum and techniques. - Common Core really focuses on making students think about processes instead of content. i.e. Students read a passage for English test about a school trying to decide where to build a library. The old test format would ask something like: "Where did the school end up deciding? What were the other options?" to basically test if you could read and retain. Under Common Core, the test would be more open-ended and ask students to describe the process. It would ask something like: "The School ended up deciding to build the library next to the football stadium. What were the benefits of choosing this spot and which spot would you have chosen and why?" - The Math section of Common Core basically teaches kids to do math on paper the same way they do it in their heads. Instead of multiplication table memorization or long subtraction, Common Core math would teach you to process each step independently. Such as: 146-85 = ? 146 -46 = 100 85 - 46 = 39 100 - 39 = 61 146 - 85 = 61 Instead of doing the multiplication table of 9x9 (9x1 = 9; 9x2 = 18, etc) You'd do 9 x 10 = 90. Minus 9 = 81. 9x9 = 81 - There are no standardized tests attached to Common Core specifically. Standardized tests existed before Common Core and now with the introduction of Common Core, standardized tests are just testing the new material. - Most teacher's unions are neutral to positive on Common Core, because they feel that the content is generally good, but that it further entreanches standardized testing, which they would like to get rid of. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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zegermans posted:Doesn't matter. The entire intelligence community said Russia was blatantly trying to drag Trump over the finish line and it was ignored. Nah, that was just crooked Hilary manipulating the government.
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theblackw0lf posted:Trump's Presidency has broken Obama Well I guess we know where Clinton's punchline writers ended up after she lost.
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theblackw0lf posted:This speech by Christiane Amanpour is fantastic. A sample.
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Geostomp posted:Trump is a terrifying example of just what angry white Americans will ignore if they can strike out at the Other like Republican propaganda tells them. Well it means that Socialists and Progressives should lead the dems from now on because they know actual issues from which to lead the democrats.
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Jill Stein feels guilty. She's officially now filing for recounts in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan assuming she can raise the money for fees. https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/recount https://www.facebook.com/drjillstein/videos/1373593929347460/
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Quorum posted:
If every Jill Stien voter went D, Trump still would have won. Stop this nonsense and the extremely Alex Jones' "Russia rigged the election for Trump" nonsense.
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It totally is remorse, she's looking down at the blood on her hands and looking for ways to get the drat spot out. Turns out the Green Party candidate shouldn't have openly stated that the candidate who would eliminate climate research was the better one.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:You should look into more detailed analysis of Common Core if you're interested. It covers a lot of ground, but the very general points of it are: Dang, super good info. Thanks. I'll continue to investigate and see if I can open a good dialogue with my buddy about it.
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NutritiousSnack posted:If every Jill Stien voter went D, Trump still would have won. Stop this nonsense and the extremely Alex Jones' "Russia rigged the election for Trump" nonsense. Basically no one important is saying "Russia rigged the election for Trump". People are saying "Russia has hosed around in our electoral process to help Trump, let's be as sure as we can be that they didn't gently caress around with the vote totals too."
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Yeah no conspiracy or recount or whatever is going to stop the fact that Trump will be President in January. Much like sex with Donald J Trump, it's happening and no amount of kicking and screaming will stop it.
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Trabisnikof posted:Stein can both be completely ineffective and also feel bad for being smug about Trump. They aren't mutually exclusive. This is my feeling on the matter. Everyone is just really touchy about it for some reason? Any attempt to make fun of God's own intended butt of all jokes must be a weaselly attempt to deflect blame from <actual object of all blame>.
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Also Re: Common Core. 99% of the complaints against it are against the math and history sections. Almost nobody cares about the English or Biology sections. Most of the math complaints are from "normal" people who basically learned long subtraction or division the old way; by making a long chart, doing it by hand, and carrying the one, etc. The new way is more intuitively easier, but makes no sense if you're trying to do it the old way. So, some parents are upset because they can't do basic math and if their kids are struggling, then they can't help. There is also a heaping dose of "my special snowflake is a genius, so it is the fault of anything other than her if she can't get it." The history complaints are almost all from crazy people who want to push agendas. The old history curriculum would mention Thomas Jefferson's role in the declaration of independence, then mention that he owned slaves in a later chapter and you were supposed to just know those two facts. The new curriculum attaches them and asks students things like "Describe the disconnect between Thomas Jefferson's writings in the Declaration and his actions in his personal life." The conclusion you are supposed to draw is that he owned slaves and that is obviously not compatible with "all men are created equal." This is insufficient veneration of our founding fathers for some people.
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FactsAreUseless posted:As bad as this will be, I can't emphasize enough how terrible American academia is. Universities are trash. I think most people should have all they should know after high school, if they don't then you need to fix HS. Too many universities in this country are nothing more than education resorts, instead of teaching students the skills and knowledge they can use. Someone who graduates with a humanities degree is the most costly to a taxpayer but also the least employable. We've been failing our children for decades and it continues to worsen.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Because if it were proved that Russia had hacked American voting machines to throw the presidency to their pet candidate, this would be an international incident on the level of 9/11 - an attack by a foreign power at the heart of US democracy. Obama wouldn't give a poo poo and he'd try to keep it quiet. If he could pick between quiet transition of power in a mostly peaceful fashion, or essentially declaring Trump a fraud and Clinton winning the election but Trump's neo-nazi base getting violent, he'll take the former every time. We're so hosed. fknlo posted:Trump Jr. Held Secret Talks With Russia Supporters Doesn't matter. Trump's SOTU could be "yeah I worked hand in hand with Putin to rig the election, eat poo poo Democrats" and he'd still get glowing praise in the media and from his racist white trash base. The only question at this point is "will the Democrats be able to avoid getting blown out in 2018 or will the country be too hosed to matter?" If McCrory and the NC GOP steal the governorship and/or stack the state's supreme court, look at the RNC and media's (non)response to get an idea of how dark the country's future will be.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:99% of the complaints against it are from parents who can't do their kid's homework. FTFY The complaint from the "engineer parent" one takes the cake, because the entity was entirely self unaware of its inability for critical thought Also, now that a Republican is elected as President again, that means everyone's favorite liberal pundit is back. What are the odds of this ratfucking actually happening?
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Most of the math complaints are from "normal" people who basically learned long subtraction or division the old way; by making a long chart, doing it by hand, and carrying the one, etc. The new way is more intuitively easier, but makes no sense if you're trying to do it the old way. So, some parents are upset because they can't do basic math and if their kids are struggling, then they can't help. There is also a heaping dose of "my special snowflake is a genius, so it is the fault of anything other than her if she can't get it." There is a new way of doing long subtraction and division? Got a link?
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fknlo posted:Trump Jr. Held Secret Talks With Russia Supporters Goddamn this is some assad family poo poo already. Oh don't send an experienced diplomat with regional ties or anything. Just send uday qusay and sashay out there and make some deals.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:FTFY No proposals to ditch Donald Trump are going to happen. Hope is a lie.
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Solvency posted:There is a new way of doing long subtraction and division? Got a link? The subtraction is like what I posted in my previous post. This video is a quick explainer about how it works. It is basically just doing math on paper the same way you would do it in your head. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBkQAxt1JXA
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Confounding Factor posted:Too many universities in this country are nothing more than education resorts, instead of teaching students the skills and knowledge they can use. Someone who graduates with a humanities degree is the most costly to a taxpayer but also the least employable. humanities skills are hugely employable, and make for adaptable employees. the society for human resources management, the US's biggest professional HR organization, ranks soft skills as more important than technical skills - it's easier to teach someone who can write and lead a project what they need to know about code, than it is to teach a stemlord how to write or behave in a social manner https://www.shrm.org/hr-today/news/hr-magazine/0416/pages/hrs-hard-challenge-when-employees-lack-soft-skills.aspx
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Betsy DeVos for Secretary of Education? The DeVos family is like incestuous conservative nobility. They have their slimy little fingers in everything (Heritage foundation, Focus on the Family, etc). If you are being spit-roasted at a freaky Eyes Wide Shut billionaire sex party, the chances are pretty good that at least one of the hooded figures penetrating you is a DeVos or married to one.
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Confounding Factor posted:Read through some of your posts here and this caught my attention. There is a crisis in education in this country for sure. I don't think everyone needs to go to University or should, most should be closed and only few kept open for those to become academics. Now we have generations of students in debt for degrees to do what they can do without em. It doesn't help they have to take classes that have no effect on their careers either. I agree that we should improve primary and secondary education so that children get a better understanding of the world and I'm of the opinion that classes like home economics should be required curriculum. But closing off universities to humanities? That's what those schools are founded on. Take that STEM-majors only poo poo and shove it up your rear end.
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Kubrick posted:Betsy DeVos for Secretary of Education? "if"
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The subtraction is like what I posted in my previous post. and just to add, the resistance to common core is entirely based in two things -that's not the way i was taught to do it, i'm not dumb, i was taught good, this new way must be dumb -i dont understand this, rather than learn what it is or how it works, i'm going to assume it's dumb so i can dismiss myself from having to learn it when i worked at a restaurant one of my coworkers was complaining one day about how she couldn't help her kid with math homework because of this different way of doing subtraction. she was pretty much convinced it was bureaucratic garbage until i pointed out that we work in a business where people give you cash and expect you to make change, now, how do you do this in your head... a lot of the things that older people were taught to do in school simply can't be done without pen and paper (try keeping track of borrowing mentally) and so people either give up on math entirely and use a calculator or they develop alternate methods which can be done mentally, i.e. make more sense. common core is just about teaching those alternate methods as well as the traditional methods boner confessor fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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Common core mathematics is also much better at introducing you to the more abstract roots of mathematics you may face in college. People against it want their kids to be dumber than they are.
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