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http://www.kolotv.com/content/news/Oakland-unveils-stadium-plan-to-keep-Raiders-in-Bay-Area-405702935.html posted:AKLAND, Calif. (AP) - Oakland and Alameda County leaders will vote Tuesday on a financial and development plan to build a $1.3 billion football stadium at the Coliseum site to keep the Raiders from moving to Las Vegas. I assume this will get the same reaction as the previous story, which was the Lott group wants a percentage of the team, so it doesn't mean much.
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Oakland Chargers. Las Vegas Raiders. San Diego Jaguars.
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oldskool posted:Oakland Chargers. Las Vegas Raiders. San Diego Jaguars. Jacksonville Browns
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Lol the Raiders didn't even comment.
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The sooner the chargers leave the sooner I will finally get professional hockey in my hometown
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chupacabraTERROR posted:The sooner the chargers leave the sooner I will finally get professional hockey in my hometown
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bawfuls posted:The Gulls already came back last season though Having been to many gulls and kings games, I assure you it is not the same thing. Same sport, completely different intensity
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Zurreco posted:Jacksonville Browns Cleveland Browns III.
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chupacabraTERROR posted:Having been to many gulls and kings games, I assure you it is not the same thing. Same sport, completely different intensity gently caress the Kings
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chupacabraTERROR posted:Having been to many gulls and kings games, I assure you it is not the same thing. Same sport, completely different intensity bawfuls fucked around with this message at 07:20 on Dec 11, 2016 |
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bawfuls posted:Sure, but what is the scenario where SD gets an NHL team? They certainly wouldn't play in the sports arena and the city isn't going to build a new arena for a hockey team. The NHL arguably needs to contract and they just expanded to Vegas. Maybe SAN Diego could steal the Coyotes? But again, where would they play? The old hockey-capable sports arena we've already got, at least initially.
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bawfuls posted:Sure, but what is the scenario where SD gets an NHL team? They certainly wouldn't play in the sports arena and the city isn't going to build a new arena for a hockey team. The NHL arguably needs to contract and they just expanded to Vegas. Maybe SAN Diego could steal the Coyotes? But again, where would they play? I am of the opinion that the gulls coming back was a market test for an actual pro team. I have no backup for this but it is my hunch. I am probably just dreaming, but I miss going to Kings games (haters vacate) and gulls games only fill part of that void
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chupacabraTERROR posted:I am of the opinion that the gulls coming back was a market test for an actual pro team. I have no backup for this but it is my hunch. I am probably just dreaming, but I miss going to Kings games (haters vacate) and gulls games only fill part of that void Your hunch is off. NHL is really only open to the last team in Seattle, Portland, Toronto, or Quebec City. They brought the Gulls back because VVC Center is under utilized and the team always made money and should never have left.
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bawfuls posted:Sure, but what is the scenario where SD gets an NHL team? They certainly wouldn't play in the sports arena and the city isn't going to build a new arena for a hockey team. The NHL arguably needs to contract and they just expanded to Vegas. Maybe SAN Diego could steal the Coyotes? But again, where would they play? Dunno but there's a whole slew of crappy Canadian teams to move to SD.
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Is minor league hockey not a bunch of drunk guys and lots of fights? Did hollywood lie to me? Because thats what ai want minor leagues to be
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got any sevens posted:Is minor league hockey not a bunch of drunk guys and lots of fights? Did hollywood lie to me? Because thats what ai want minor leagues to be the Gulls are the Ducks minor league affiliate
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got any sevens posted:Is minor league hockey not a bunch of drunk guys and lots of fights? Did hollywood lie to me? Because thats what ai want minor leagues to be the ahl are minor league affiliates so it's basically just minor league baseball. some of the canadian minor leagues are just truck drivers and poutine farmers and that's where they beat the crap out of each other
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Zurreco posted:Your hunch is off. NHL is really only open to the last team in Seattle, Portland, Toronto, or Quebec City. I know the GTA is like Canada's New York but does the NHL think there is enough support for a second team? Are they hoping to bleed off the Toronto Habs support? Where are you going to stick them? Mississauga? TLDR - Toronto supporting two teams seems kind of dumb.
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The Nets moving to Brooklyn seemed dumb but here we are.
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Re: the Ronnie Lott group.quote:IRVING, Texas – As city and council officials prepared to vote Tuesday on a term sheet for a $1.3 billion stadium deal that supporters hope will keep the Raiders in Oakland, the NFL’s point man on stadium matters raised significant concerns about the viability of the plan. http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/raiders/2016/12/13/oakland-las-vegas-deal-stadium-mark-davis/95381628/
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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18266609/san-diego-city-council-members-offer-chargers-lease-deal SD council offering the team a 99 year lease for $1 a year. In Mission Valley.
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Glass of Milk posted:http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18266609/san-diego-city-council-members-offer-chargers-lease-deal Like Dean Spanos is gonna chuck in $100 bucks to a deal.
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Glass of Milk posted:http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18266609/san-diego-city-council-members-offer-chargers-lease-deal Non starter. Team has already flatly said no to Mission Valley. Unless the NFL steps in and says "Stay there you loving idiot"
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a neat cape posted:Non starter. Team has already flatly said no to Mission Valley. Unless the NFL steps in and says "Stay there you loving idiot" I'm terrible about Southern California, what makes Mission Valley a significantly worse location than Carson City?
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Skwirl posted:I'm terrible about Southern California, what makes Mission Valley a significantly worse location than Carson City? bawfuls fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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Skwirl posted:I'm terrible about Southern California, what makes Mission Valley a significantly worse location than Carson City? Carson is in LA. The team's value skyrockets with the move. And it'll be Inglewood, not Carson. Same principle applies though
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bawfuls posted:Spanos things he will make more money being in the LA area instead of SD. Also he's not rich enough to build his own stadium; in Carson he's in a new stadium that someone else paid for. It'll be funny if he moves to LA and it quickly becomes obvious that despite having 2 NFL teams in their city the Las Vegas Raiders are the most popular team there.
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Skwirl posted:It'll be funny if he moves to LA and it quickly becomes obvious that despite having 2 NFL teams in their city the Las Vegas Raiders are the most popular team there. As long as the Raiders keep winning this will bear out.
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Skwirl posted:It'll be funny if he moves to LA and it quickly becomes obvious that despite having 2 NFL teams in their city the Las Vegas Raiders are the most popular team there. Spanos doesn't care about popularity.
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a neat cape posted:Spanos doesn't care about popularity.
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bawfuls posted:He seems to only care about the value of his franchise, not even actual revenues. Do you think he just wants to move to LA so that he can sell the team? I think he wants to move to LA to increase the value of the franchise for his kids. Which is funny because AG Spanos and John Spanos, who are actually running the day to day business and football operations of the team starting this past year, want to stay in San Diego
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a neat cape posted:I think he wants to move to LA to increase the value of the franchise for his kids. Which is funny because AG Spanos and John Spanos, who are actually running the day to day business and football operations of the team starting this past year, want to stay in San Diego If I was them and had any confidence in my own ability to turn the Chargers into a playoff contender sometime in the future, I'd rather be the only team in San Diego rather than the other team in LA.
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Skwirl posted:If I was them and had any confidence in my own ability to turn the Chargers into a playoff contender sometime in the future, I'd rather be the only team in San Diego rather than the other team in LA. I can't speak much for AG on the business side, but I'm not too unhappy with John on the football side. I think him hiring Telesco was good. Telesco has brought a lot of good pieces here, and who knows what happens if we aren't the most injured team in the league the last two years. The major gaffe so far is Mike McCoy, but everyone gets a mulligan
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a neat cape posted:I think he wants to move to LA to increase the value of the franchise for his kids. Which is funny because AG Spanos and John Spanos, who are actually running the day to day business and football operations of the team starting this past year, want to stay in San Diego
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bawfuls posted:Wait, really? I did not know that there was a disagreement within the Spanos family about moving. That makes all of this even more ridiculous. The younger Spanoses were born and raised in San Diego and have done everything but flat out say that they want to stay, which they won't do because Dean is still the main guy. Everything they've done in the community to try and get a stadium built, the charity work and appearances they've made while Dean is being a total recluse is pretty telling.
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Is half of LA really a more valuable market than all of SD? I think that "half" is a bit generous, since the Chargers have to actively win over new fans, while competing with the Rams and whatever other teams LA football fans root for now. Doing that without winning will be tough, especially since they may be playing in a tiny soccer stadium with facilities that are worse than many college teams. This may also be bad for the NFL in general, since San Diego fans won't root for the Chargers and may stop watching football altogether. If this move reduces the total number of fans doing things like watching games on TV and buying branded merchandise then the NFL may have reason to block it.
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The NFL can't block it. They already had the vote and approved it.
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Konstantin posted:Is half of LA really a more valuable market than all of SD? I think that "half" is a bit generous, since the Chargers have to actively win over new fans, while competing with the Rams and whatever other teams LA football fans root for now. Doing that without winning will be tough, especially since they may be playing in a tiny soccer stadium with facilities that are worse than many college teams. This may also be bad for the NFL in general, since San Diego fans won't root for the Chargers and may stop watching football altogether. If this move reduces the total number of fans doing things like watching games on TV and buying branded merchandise then the NFL may have reason to block it. Being the 2nd team in LA is much more valuable than staying in San Diego, new stadium or not. Volkerball posted:The NFL can't block it. They already had the vote and approved it. Spanos and Kroenke still have to come to an agreement, and the NFL and Kroenke could conceivably make the terms so disadvantageous that Spanos would be forced to stay. I'd say that's unlikely, but these are billionaires
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Volkerball posted:The NFL can't block it. They already had the vote and approved it. Couldn't they, you know, unapprove it? Just because they liked the idea a year ago doesn't mean that they haven't changed their minds in the last 12 months. The Rams awful attendance, the Raiders recent successes, and the Chargers being wholly uncompetitive are all relevant factors in the question of Can/Will LA Support The Chargers?
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