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Tatum edballs posted:I'll grant he was in a gross squishy place with TPP but what has he said/done about DAPL?
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Not a Step posted:I dunno. Held a press conference? Held a few more town halls with people who weren't rich donors? She did a billion of these and got zero attention lol that there are people saying she should have done more huge events and more small events, make up your minds dudes
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Tatum Girlparts posted:is Perez not progressive? perez's electoral experience is just winning a race for Montgomery county council ellison has won six. although he's in a safe seat, he focuses on turnout http://www.startribune.com/how-to-get-out-the-vote-keith-ellison-demonstrates/284044361/ quote:Now for some good turnout news: In the Fifth Congressional District, anchored by Minneapolis, turnout was up nearly 11,000 votes from the previous presidential midterm election, in 2010. That’s about a 0.5-percentage-point gain, compared with a 5-percentage-point turnout decline statewide.
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:expected to be one of the first bills introduced this January, also expected to pass also, just FYI, if this + national RTW gets passed it will basically be rock-bottom for unions in the USA. we will either have to completely reinvent the wheel (which, tbqh, is probably necessary anyway), grow a significant pair of balls (and separate them from the Democratic shaft), or we will disappear
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Barack Obama should be kept in an orbital drop pod and launched into the middle America to say "people, we're fed up with not having Healthcare!" The real interesting thing is how weird it's going to be to have an ex president everyone likes hanging around. The Democrats swept Bill under the rug because ~scandals~ and before that when was the last time we had a president that didn't end their term as an embarrassment or a soup brained invalid? Eisenhower?
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comedyblissoption posted:is it possible to be a progressive union guy and pro-TPP he was basically caught between a rock and a hard place with TPP and his biggest sin was giving very little real answers rather than actually being all "YEA gently caress YEA TPP ALL THE WAY". He gave a ton of interviews that were basically 'well, uh, my job is to be sure it's good for American workers so I'll get on that'
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:also, just FYI, if this + national RTW gets passed it will basically be rock-bottom for unions in the USA. we will either have to completely reinvent the wheel (which, tbqh, is probably necessary anyway), grow a significant pair of balls (and separate them from the Democratic shaft), or we will disappear great depression 2: electric boogaloo confirmed
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Yeah, I don't really care about ideological purity as much as some folks here; we should keep a laser-focus on the true Enemy of Progress* and not be distracted by shadows. That said, Ellison is pretty clearly the superior choice, and it looks like a lot of people in the party (across multiple factions, even) agree. ___ *Paul Ryan
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:the 1920s economic model, sounds great yeah the only problem is that we've had the 1920s model now for about 3 decades
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Tatum Girlparts posted:is Perez not progressive? If the current leadership doesn't endorse Ellison after they have proven themselves untrustworthy, is it really surprising to you that people would be suspicious of their choice? Why didn't they just go along with Ellison if he is so good? Why Perez? Or even better why don't they just shut up, and if Perez wants to run for DNC Chair he is welcome, no need for Obama or Hillary to give their opinion at all. Basically if you are associated with the DNC, or are considered a leader of the Democratic Party you need to listen. You've had the last 8 years to speak and lead, and you failed, horribly. Now it's time to turn the reigns over to the people you have been marginalizing and only give your opinion if asked for it.
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docbeard posted:Yeah, I don't really care about ideological purity as much as some folks here; we should keep a laser-focus on the true Enemy of Progress* and not be distracted by shadows.
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Yea to be clear I want Ellison to win but I just don't really think a fight between two people who mostly agree is some proof of an establishment plot. Like, Schumer is behind Ellison, the establishment has spoken and it said 'eh gently caress it' and Perez is more an Obama legacy thing than some power struggle thing. I still doubt he'll win, he's just there to be all 'hey Obama did good stuff, ok bye'. Ellison already locked up major endorsements when it was uncontested, if the 'establishment' actually cared they'd have started fighting earlier when those started.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:she had a lot of conferences dude, the reason there was 'controversy' was because she did poo poo like have one that was mostly with minority news outlets and we got to hear Very Serious Journalists explain how that's not a REAL press conference without saying 'those people'. Oh, so no press conferences that anyone outside of specialty outlets would have seen. Well, I'm glad those minority news outlets carried her to victory.
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also, keep an eye out for Janus v. AFSCME, which will likely be Friedrichs v2.0 and will make the public sector right to work nationwide. http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/38608-labor-law-faces-dire-new-threats-from-supreme-court-under-trump here's a good article laying out what labor faces in the upcoming years under Trump. there are a few bright spots as well which I can elaborate on if anyone wants more info
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to be fair, Ryan is the physical avatar of capitalism so it is pretty interchangeable
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:there are a few bright spots as well which I can elaborate on if anyone wants more info this is the secret plan for general strikes and wildcat strikes right
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Tatum Girlparts posted:to be fair, Ryan is the physical avatar of capitalism so it is pretty interchangeable so are the Wall Street donors who run the Democratic Party lmao
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paranoid randroid posted:oh my loving god The Republicans were right all along, everything was Obama's fault.
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:expected to be one of the first bills introduced this January, also expected to pass Finally, the rust belt workers will be free of their union shackles.
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Zikan posted:this is the secret plan for general strikes and wildcat strikes right potentially, yeah. basically: quote:In writing the ruling opinion, former Supreme Court Justice David Souter largely based his decision to strike down D'Agostino on the precedent of Abood. If NRTW gets what it wants with Janus, then it is conceivable that a case like D'Agostino could appear before the Supreme Court thereafter without Abood standing in its way. Shaun Richman of In These Times has argued that the end of exclusive representation could open the door for multiple competing members-only unions within single workplaces, a promising way to shake up labor relations for the good, saying, "Exclusive representation allows employers to only deal with one set of organizing tactics and one set of narrow demands." Essentially, unions would have to prove their mettle with the services they promise and their ability to successfully provide them. there's been significant movement among labor academics on a push to repeal the NLRA entirely (and thus, Taft Hartley) under a GOP congress. Unions would lose much of their benefits, but if we have national RTW and if the Employee Rights Act is passed, we will have lost much of it anyway (or it would be so tied up that it's effectively lost). this would essentially bring unions back to where they were in the early 20th century, and would make union contracts essentially just like any other contract. this would also free up our ability to do sympathy strikes, wildcat strikes, general strikes, etc. or it could kill unions entirely. who knows!!
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Politifact rates the statement that Hillary Clinton had not given a press conference in 269 days as 'Mostly True' http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/aug/31/donald-trump/has-hillary-clinton-not-had-press-conference-269-d/ Trying to claim 'she did billions' or that it was all a mainstream media racist conspiracy (five pre-selected people got to ask a question each, although two were multipart!) seems like some revisionist 'Hillary did nothing wrong' type poo poo. Like many other things, Hillary was just bad at engaging the press.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:she had a lot of conferences dude, the reason there was 'controversy' was because she did poo poo like have one that was mostly with minority news outlets and we got to hear Very Serious Journalists explain how that's not a REAL press conference without saying 'those people'. She had a decent number towards the end of the campaign, in September and November 2016, after avoiding having any (with minority press outlets or no) during the end of 2015 and the first 8 months of 2016. Trump dominated the airwaves during that time for ~some inexplicable reason~. More press conferences probably wouldn't have saved her, but they're emblematic of the reason her campaign was unable to generate any coverage due to failed media strategies. The "one she had that was mostly with minority news outlets" was not something that happened during this drought, it was the first she held near the end of the campaign and you're really misrepresenting both what it was and the response to it.
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bump_fn posted:bernie. .... good????  Make the 1% give us all our cookies back 
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greatn posted:What's a wildcat strike its where you sic tigers on the rich
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Dr_0ctag0n posted:
I'll have you know that the 1% EARNED all those cookies, fella. Why do you want to punish success?
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greatn posted:What's a wildcat strike typically they are strikes initiated by rank-and-file members in a rather spontaneous way, without union leaders authorization
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paranoid randroid posted:its where you sic tigers on the rich fuk yeah
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greatn posted:What's a wildcat strike The only strikes that were effective against corrupt union leadership (which is why they are now illegal).
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mugrim posted:So in the 08 campaign our motto was that campaign signs don't get votes, but not having them can lose them. I guess that explains why the lady who still has a HRC sign up in her yard wants to get so much use out of it. To be fair, it looked pretty sturdy and high quality as signs go. Definitely not worth 25 fucken dollars though. Like how much more could you make it clear that your campaign is only for the upper class?
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:The only strikes that were effective against corrupt union leadership (which is why they are now illegal). to be fair, union leadership is very rarely corrupt, but very frequently inept
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Having an actual race is fine, I just don't see why one would back Perez over Ellison since Perez has such limited experience running elections and being out there as pr. Ellison literally has a podcast and is constantly on tv as a mouth piece.
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:he was a community organizer for like2 years lol as opposed to you, noted community organizer RENEGADE CUCKSKY
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Optimus Subprime posted:Having an actual race is fine, I just don't see why one would back Perez over Ellison since Perez has such limited experience running elections and being out there as pr. Ellison literally has a podcast and is constantly on tv as a mouth piece. he'll get backing because he is the Obama choice, and when he wins he'll use that dearth of experience to screw up races across the country and continue the fuckbarreling of the Dems while the neoliberals throw up their hands and go "we gave you a progressive and he failed! what more do you want?" before putting another dormant establishment crony back into the position and keep on losing races until the GOP runs out of steam and hands control back over while they build back up again
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:yeah the only problem is that we've had the 1920s model now for about 3 decades There's something kind of hilarious and sad that we have gotten better at economics enough that we've managed to mitigate the catastrophic failures of unrestrained capitalism just enough that people still accept unrestrained capitalism as a legitimate ideology while still seeing tons of people hurt from the fallout of said failures.
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