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just a reminder that obama kept pushing for tpp in an election year it was very unpopular and when a lot of democrats in congress were against it also a reminder that it would've passed in obama's lame duck session with the help of the republicans if hillary had won
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Rastor posted:"Voters will forgive you for disagreeing with them so long as they know that you genuinely believe what you are saying and that you include them in your plans. They may disagree with you on your policy, but if they know that you believe that because you want to help them, then they'll vote for you." this guy lost by like 3% in missouri as a democrat which is pretty remarkable, also considering he had like, zero loving help from the dnc. the gun ad probably did most o fthat tho lets be real
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:Ugh wow more of Bernie's full communism now platform. Sorry dipshit, AMERICA DOESN'T WANT THAT. Guess we'll have to settle for being Scandinavian style Social Democrats. Shucks.
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a good way to weed out the dead weight among the dems would be to call a bunch of strategists and such into a room and ask them to come up with a quick, punchy way to summarize an extensive policy package for speech and debate purposes anyone who answers with "check out my website at double-yew double-yew double-yew dot-" gets dropped into a tank full of piranhas
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Ace of Baes posted:WRONG. How can we possibly know if he's wrong? If one or the other of you is wrong, the only way to show it is through actual attempts to get more left leaning, socialist candidates elected. If your right, then great, I'm all for it; find some young, charismatic, very left leaning candidates and run them for election. Test your theory and get some more left leaning people into government. It hasn't worked yet, except in some very particular states and enclaves. Outside of New England, Minnesota, California and a few other places it just hasn't happened. This time around, a lot of hope was put into the return of Russ Feingold and he got curb-stomped again; Hillary got more votes than he did in Wisconsin. By all means, test the political waters with more left candidates and I really, honestly hope it works; but it hasn't yet.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:but rather Obama and his loyalists wanting his legacy to be discussed still 
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Not a Step posted:I think this election *has* proved pretty conclusively that there is a vast Democratic voting group out there who will *only* show up if you speak to their economic concerns, and nothing else - no amount of crying about the racist sexist clown man or their civic duty to minorities - will get them to turn up at the polls. In terms of pragmatic steps I'm fully with you. Given the choice between "hey let's try focusing more earnestly on economic issues" and "actually we are hosed" I'll take the former. In terms of policy, I prefer the former anyway. I'm just pointing out that there's a big assumption that folks are making. I am also pointing out that the same people who make the basic assumption that if you speak to economic issues voters will come seem to miss some of the power that Obama had and maybe aren't fully appreciating that he's a unique figure. Anime Schoolgirl posted:you could talk to working class people instead of spend all day fondling your pearls you know
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:that's not healthy or useful says who
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Guys is Tom Perez good or bad someone tell me.
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hi liter posted:Guys is Tom Perez good or bad someone tell me. hes a guy that definitely exists beyond that it is a Matter of Some Debate
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Bushido Brown posted:I grew up in a county without stoplights or 24/7 service. I do, in fact, speak to working class people. It's kinda why I think just pandering and pushing leftist reform won't be enough, friend. Many of them just don't agree with us. i found that works wonders, personally
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Ace of Baes posted:Maybe sanctifying the sadistic is deranged? I want you to know that I appreciate this post
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radical meme posted:How can we possibly know if he's wrong? If one or the other of you is wrong, the only way to show it is through actual attempts to get more left leaning, socialist candidates elected. If your right, then great, I'm all for it; find some young, charismatic, very left leaning candidates and run them for election. Test your theory and get some more left leaning people into government. It hasn't worked yet, except in some very particular states and enclaves. Outside of New England, Minnesota, California and a few other places it just hasn't happened. This time around, a lot of hope was put into the return of Russ Feingold and he got curb-stomped again; Hillary got more votes than he did in Wisconsin. By all means, test the political waters with more left candidates and I really, honestly hope it works; but it hasn't yet. I literally am doing that. Not sure why every Concerned person in this thread assumes that the leftist's aren't politically active.
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hi liter posted:Guys is Tom Perez good or bad someone tell me. GOOD AS LABOR SECRETARY! BAD AS DNC CHAIR! THE GUN IS GOOD! THE PENIS IS EVIL! -This message brought to you by Zardoz
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:have you tried actually describing progressive policies without tripping up the corporatist brainwashing la-li-lu-le-lo buzzwords I'm glad that works for you! I've found that a lot of people are so entrenched in the Protestant work ethic thing that they'd rather have policies that are against their interests if it means they can maintain belief in an (utterly fictional) meritocracy.
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return to Full Employment inflate the gently caress out of the currency wipe out personal and municipal debt screw the world our messed up dollar is still better than anything they got
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Bushido Brown posted:I'm glad that works for you! I've found that a lot of people are so entrenched in the Protestant work ethic thing that they'd rather have policies that are against their interests if it means they can maintain belief in an (utterly fictional) meritocracy. the great wealth crunch will happen soon enough and i don't mean this in an accelerationist nihilistic tone, it's more of an inevitability
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paranoid randroid posted:a good way to weed out the dead weight among the dems would be to call a bunch of strategists and such into a room and Execute them for crimes against the party, agreed.
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Uncle Wemus posted:Isnt bernie or keith speaking tonight about something Both are and yes. At 8pm est.
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democrats need to make the repeal of Taft-Hartley a plank in their platform yesterday and trumpet it everywhere
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hi liter posted:Guys is Tom Perez good or bad someone tell me. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4429 He's good if you think stupid IDpol is what the Democrats need more of. quote:Emmy and the team have a good plan to attract all minority voters. When we do well there, then the narrative changes from Bernie kicks rear end among young voters to Bernie does well only among young white liberals-- that is a different story and a perfect lead in to South Carolina, where once again, we can work to attract young voters of color.
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Bushido Brown posted:In terms of pragmatic steps I'm fully with you. Given the choice between "hey let's try focusing more earnestly on economic issues" and "actually we are hosed" I'll take the former. In terms of policy, I prefer the former anyway. Bill and Barry are the only Democratic Presidents we've had in three decades, and they were both extremely smooth and charismatic, but I'm hoping theres more to it than 'hope for a cool cat to take an interest in being powerful'. I mean, I have to hope for that or else whats even the point?
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hi liter posted:Guys is Tom Perez good or bad someone tell me. The sooner he fucks off, the sooner the establishment Dems can get around to their actual for real this time final nominee for DNC chair, Chelsea Clinton
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NumberLast posted:Never stop being angry. Be Angry, don't be Crazy.
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:it's because union corruption isn't actually a problem on any measurable scale, despite you diarrheaing out arguments to the contrary any union corruption at all is a stick that gets used to beat them senseless so yeah, it is actually a problem
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Aurubin posted:GOOD AS LABOR SECRETARY! BAD AS DNC CHAIR! THE GUN IS GOOD! THE PENIS IS EVIL! This all checks out
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:any union corruption at all is a stick that gets used to beat them senseless so yeah, it is actually a problem the art of the false flag is actually real and it's often in places people don't think to look for
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tom perez seems like an alright guy, but they seem more focused on pushing him rather than him standing up with a unifying vision for the party? like, whats his plan? keith ellison is more qualified and has pretty good results so far, and i think tom would be valuable in the party structure, idk about chair tho.
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paranoid randroid posted:a good way to weed out the dead weight among the dems would be to call a bunch of strategists and such into a room and ask them to come up with a quick, punchy way to summarize an extensive policy package for speech and debate purposes Strongly concur.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:there's also the part where crisis actors instigate corruption and subsequently get cushy jobs at koch industries or something after devastating the union all the more reason to fight corruption in any form instead of handwaving it away as a statistical anomaly
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anime was right posted:tom perez seems like an alright guy, but they seem more focused on pushing him rather than him standing up with a unifying vision for the party? like, whats his plan?
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Corruption like campaign finance is incredibly nuanced.
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Nonsense posted:Corruption like campaign finance is incredibly nuanced. they're both bad
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:all the more reason to fight corruption in any form instead of handwaving it away as a statistical anomaly however, they really should look at corruption pretty hard for ties to anti-labor corporations in cases like these because things don't really happen in a vacuum anymore
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paranoid randroid posted:a good way to weed out the dead weight among the dems would be to call a bunch of strategists and such into a room and ask them to come up with a quick, punchy way to summarize an extensive policy package for speech and debate purposes "Ok, your analytics show you up by five points in a state, but your team on the ground is reporting there may be something wrong. The SIEU has a bus full of volunteers ready to go check the situation out. Do you let them go, or do you talk game theory and pull them back to psyche out your opponent?" Or, to make the assessment even faster, anyone who mentions 'game theory' gets a pie in the face and a swift boot to the rear.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:One time when I went by (this was in Wakefield, not downtown) there was a cop talking to the picketers, but he was clearly just bored of watching the road crew across the street and wanted someone new to talk to. Closest thing to drama I noticed during that strike. yeah, it's gotten pretty bad. cost of living has gone up, including food, and especially rent. i'm 50/50 on whether i stay or go, but given that trump won, i'd rather stay put in a blue state.
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Not a Step posted:"Ok, your analytics show you up by five points in a state, but your team on the ground is reporting there may be something wrong. The SIEU has a bus full of volunteers ready to go check the situation out. Do you let them go, or do you talk game theory and pull them back so psyche out your opponent?" first the pie, then the boot, then the piranha
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:oh, for sure. well yeah of course, shout about those ties from the rooftops if you find them, just don't assume they'll always be there
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like seriously RENEGADE CUCKSKY how would you react if someone said something about the number of Army soldiers who committed war atrocities is vanishingly small so you don't need to care about that time we droned a wedding party
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:first the pie, then the boot, then the piranha piranha pie
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