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NumberLast posted:So, you agree with the position that I understand most of the leftists itt to have wrt social justice? If that's the position then, yes. I'm getting a different picture than that?
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Majorian posted:Yeah, I've been avoiding podcasts that do any political talk since Trump took over the Statues and threw Hillary off the Floating Continent and created the World of Ruin. But I'll give them a chance, because I only hear good things. the evil demon
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Dec 22, 2016 01:57
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this thread gets manic af
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Dec 22, 2016 01:58
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also I like how two people with the exact same avatar are talking at each other
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Dec 22, 2016 01:58
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Princess Di posted:If that's the position then, yes. There's like a magic field around this thread somehow obscuring that most of the posters in it are on the same page even if they don't realize it.
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Dec 22, 2016 01:59
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Joementum posted:stop 👏 trying 👏 to 👏 make 👏 deals 👏 with 👏 the 👏 gop mind explaining what the whole NC thing is?
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Dec 22, 2016 01:59
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Fiction posted:There's like a magic field around this thread somehow obscuring that most of the posters in it are on the same page even if they don't realize it. It's because you have multiple groups using different languages to agree, making them think they disagree. Hell, 'liberal' has a different definition in basically every political philosophy.
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Dec 22, 2016 02:00
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NumberLast posted:Bernie-types, by and large, do not in my experience dispute that. You're right, they don't. But they also don't talk enough about the issue, and I include myself in that, and I also include Bernie himself in that. We need to keep honing our weapons.
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Dec 22, 2016 02:00
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Majorian posted:You're right, they don't. But they also don't talk enough about the issue, and I include myself in that, and I also include Bernie himself in that. We need to keep honing our weapons. Fair
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Dec 22, 2016 02:00
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Baloogan posted:mind explaining what the whole NC thing is? tl;dr, democrats in charlotte said they'd drop the anti-discrimination ordinance if the gop-controlled state legislature repealed HB 2, aka, the bathroom bill charlotte dropped the ordinance and said it'd go back into effect on december 31 if HB 2 wasn't repealed during a special legislative session gop said "lol nope", didn't repeal it, and laughed when charlotte said they weren't acting in good faith
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Dec 22, 2016 02:01
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today on Chapo we put Amanda Freaking Marcotte on blast and also read an article by some weird Opus Dei fuckboi in a funny voice
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Dec 22, 2016 02:01
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redneck nazgul posted:the evil demon Oh my goodness, I love this. Blonde cosplaying neo-Coulter from upthread (e: or the Trump thread, can't keep track) is Chadarnook, but then when lightning strikes she turns into regular Coulter.
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Dec 22, 2016 02:01
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Baloogan posted:mind explaining what the whole NC thing is? iirc the whole hb2 thing came about because charlotte wanted to pass lgbt bill nc dems dropped their support of said lgbt bill in exchange for hb2 being dropped (only to, i assume, immediately get picked up again) edit: redneck nazgul posted:tl;dr, democrats in charlotte said they'd drop the anti-discrimination ordinance if the gop-controlled state legislature repealed HB 2, aka, the bathroom bill
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Dec 22, 2016 02:01
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Baloogan posted:mind explaining what the whole NC thing is?  see also: Obama 2008-2012
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Dec 22, 2016 02:02
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redneck nazgul posted:tl;dr, democrats in charlotte said they'd drop the anti-discrimination ordinance if the gop-controlled state legislature repealed HB 2, aka, the bathroom bill oh and best part is the gop said "oh and by the way, you can't enact anti-discrimination laws until we say so, starting...now"
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Dec 22, 2016 02:03
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lol dems are dumb hahahaha don't they realize republicans would be proud of loving over the dems idiots hahaha
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redneck nazgul posted:tl;dr, democrats in charlotte said they'd drop the anti-discrimination ordinance if the gop-controlled state legislature repealed HB 2, aka, the bathroom bill You forgot the part where Charlotte got rid of the December 31 let Claude on good faith and the gop literally passed a law saying they have to wait 6 months to reinstate it.
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Dec 22, 2016 02:03
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Weeping Wound posted:I slink out of a dark alley and open my trench coat, revealing the various writings of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels overflowing out of each pocket, Please do not doxx me like that.
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Dec 22, 2016 02:06
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have you guys considered that gradual, incremental action is the best way of changing your local democratic parties? *looks over to see entirety of NC democratic party stuck in a chinese finger trap*
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Dec 22, 2016 02:06
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Man if you type in Keith Ellison into Google all you get is right wing smears. I mean, as a black Muslim Democrat it's not unexpected, but drat, after hillary I guess they're lacking onto a new boogeyman.
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Dec 22, 2016 02:07
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GlyphGryph posted:Like when I say the Democrats could have won off minority votes I am not saying they lost them to Trump cause they didnt, they lost them by being bad dems, its not like Trump did super well without turnout numbers either Ok. I can see that. Why did they sit on their hands while Republicans gerrymandered everything they could get their hands on, for instance. GlyphGryph posted:Of course with voter suppression it is a bit harder to win black votes which doesnt help I think we are on the same page, sorry about earlier.
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Dec 22, 2016 02:08
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Aurubin posted:Man if you type in Keith Ellison into Google all you get is right wing smears. I mean, as a black Muslim Democrat it's not unexpected, but drat, after hillary I guess they're lacking onto a new boogeyman. he's a black muslim that's openly supported by a jewish socialist i'm pretty sure that's an a. wyatt mann comic
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Dec 22, 2016 02:10
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Princess Di posted:Neo-liberals: "Our problems need incremental change, never mind if generations upon generations die of poverty in the process." I like how you believe that Minorities, the working class, lgbt, and poor single moms are separate and distinct groups. It's very neo-liberal of you.
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" You know I never meant a word I said, especially when I said I would drain the swamp and bring jobs back, right?"
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Joementum posted:stop 👏 trying 👏 to 👏 make 👏 deals 👏 with 👏 the 👏 gop
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there are about a dozen different reasons Hillary lost a really close election. the only reason this was even a close election at all and not a electoral landslide for the Democrats against a catagorically terrible person is because they ran Queen of Baggage, 2008's Leftovers and Corporate Shill Hillary Clinton.
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radical meme posted:I like how you believe that Minorities, the working class, lgbt, and poor single moms are separate and distinct groups. It's very neo-liberal of you. They aren't, there is intersectionality. Im aware of that, what I meant is regular poor people who are horrified at a Trump presidency but are at a loss as to what to do next.
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Dec 22, 2016 02:12
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Ace of Baes posted:There's a difference between normal elections and the DNC election, the DNC Election literally has 400- you know what this is a waste of time. maybe we should focus on making those 400 DNC members progressives, instead of anointing a progressive figurehead who has to publicly throw other progressives under the bus in order to be accepted by the establishment
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Dec 22, 2016 02:13
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Proud Christian Mom posted:there are about a dozen different reasons Hillary lost a really close election. the only reason this was even a close election at all and not a electoral landslide for the Democrats against a catagorically terrible person is because they ran Queen of Baggage, 2008's Leftovers and Corporate Shill Hillary Clinton. This is a problem larger than Hillary Clinton. 
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Dec 22, 2016 02:14
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Proud Christian Mom posted:there are about a dozen different reasons Hillary lost a really close election. the only reason this was even a close election at all and not a electoral landslide for the Democrats against a catagorically terrible person is because they ran Queen of Baggage, 2008's Leftovers and Corporate Shill Hillary Clinton. agreed, had any part of hillary clinton been better she would have won. as it stands though she is the literally pesonificatin of incompetance
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Main Paineframe posted:maybe we should focus on making those 400 DNC members progressives, instead of anointing a progressive figurehead who has to publicly throw other progressives under the bus in order to be accepted by the establishment Good point.
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Dec 22, 2016 02:15
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Joementum posted:This is a problem larger than Hillary Clinton. i'm the rest of the world that's apparently undecided on whether i'm controlled by democrats or republicans
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Dec 22, 2016 02:15
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Proud Christian Mom posted:there are about a dozen different reasons Hillary lost a really close election. the only reason this was even a close election at all and not a electoral landslide for the Democrats against a catagorically terrible person is because they ran Queen of Baggage, 2008's Leftovers and Corporate Shill Hillary Clinton. 
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IMO a lot of talk in this thread has been about economic policy and what we want to see from the democratic party on it because it was so very neglected during the general. Initially it just needed to be said because this was an autopsy thread, and the failure to properly address economic concerns was a major issue of the Clinton campaign and Obama years. It desperately needed (and still needs) to be emphasized lest it gets drowned out by people talking about Russia and Comey. There are definitely room for all conversations, but economic policy talk is one area that is badly needed now. I personally used to do more work/activism on transgender rights. I recognize people that have posted in this thread that have a strong distaste for us all. HB2 in North Carolina makes me sick, and I worry about the Republicans trying something nationwide, along with repealing a lot of smaller quality of life changes made under the Obama administration. But then again, over the last decade I have seen fellow friends make the career movement from college and grad school into couch surfing and prostitution, and just having a functional economy and social safety net has become the most pressing social concern to me.
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Dec 22, 2016 02:19
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Proud Christian Mom posted:there are about a dozen different reasons Hillary lost a really close election. the only reason this was even a close election at all and not a electoral landslide for the Democrats against a catagorically terrible person is because they ran Queen of Baggage, 2008's Leftovers and Corporate Shill Hillary Clinton.
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Dec 22, 2016 02:20
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logikv9 posted:you are all deranged 
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Joementum posted:This is a problem larger than Hillary Clinton. Is that post 2016 election? Because its worse than that, Iowa is entirely rep controlled for the first time in 20 some years for state gov.
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Dec 22, 2016 02:24
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:I think those people would be more interested in getting politically involved if they had good jobs, healthcare, and education. I DID NOT REALIZE YOU WERE TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE
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Dec 22, 2016 02:25
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Grondoth posted:I DID NOT REALIZE YOU WERE TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE ngl i thought di was tbs's probie account for a while
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Joementum posted:This is a problem larger than Hillary Clinton. Yes, the democrats have flat given up in a lot of states. The state of the party is shameful, and anyone who says otherwise is living in denial. We can't afford to just sit in a few cities and pretend everything's fine. They've lost the local and state government battles for decades and influential spokespeople don't seem to get that from the ground fuckin' up democrats need to get their asses in gear and do actual politics work. I wrote this back when the thread all seemed to understand this: Grondoth posted:Let's look at New York. Solid blue. The headquarters of the democratic candidate and new minority leader. The party should be vibrant and in control. This is their webpage. Slick enough, with the main draw being one or two sentences on their policies. Wanna get involved? Well, that's harder to figure out what to do. Although this page exists, those links are just forms to fill out. They don't tell you anything else about what to do and require you to put in effort at first to even get anywhere. If you want to learn about who to talk to, you'll be tricked if you try and look for information on the leadership because that's just full of glowing biograhpies about the congresspeople. The best you got is to go to the county page and hope your county has a good webpage. Or a webpage at all. Some don't even have phone numbers or addresses listed.
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