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remusclaw posted:The movies do have the benefit of a higher budget that allows them to get away with busting their models up like they do. On the other hand, Enterprise was CGI, no? If so they really didn't have that excuse. Hey, they showed a completely blown-to-poo poo USS Constellation using an AMT model kit back in the second season of the original series. A little ingenuity goes a long way.
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Timby posted:Hey, they showed a completely blown-to-poo poo USS Constellation using an AMT model kit back in the second season of the original series. A little ingenuity goes a long way. You know you've made it as a show when you can use your own merchandise in actual production.
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I never minded the hull plating because it was almost always useless after the first barrage. NX-01 regularly had its poo poo pounded in and blown apart. The ship always seemed fragile, as it should.
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Dec 31, 2016 22:09
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Exactly, even more reason it shouldn't have had the magnetized hull bullshit to begin with.
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Dec 31, 2016 22:10
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WickedHate posted:Exactly, even more reason it shouldn't have had the magnetized hull bullshit to begin with. So that it gets blown up on the first volley? I mean you have to have something to not die instantly in a deep space ship.
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Dec 31, 2016 22:28
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NX-01 is a bland, cramped design but I guess that's what they were aiming for.
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Dec 31, 2016 22:43
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MrJacobs posted:So that it gets blown up on the first volley? I mean you have to have something to not die instantly in a deep space ship. You solve it by not having weapons that are 100% chance to kill without shields like they are in TNG+... you know, as if it's the past when that kind of thing hasn't been invented yet.
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Dec 31, 2016 22:47
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Rhyno posted:NX-01 is a bland, cramped design but I guess that's what they were aiming for. It's awesome! Space submarine! Of all the things they did wrong I'll defend the future astronaut aesthetic to the death.
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Dec 31, 2016 22:48
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Rhyno posted:NX-01 is a bland, cramped design but I guess that's what they were aiming for. WickedHate posted:It's awesome! Space submarine! Of all the things they did wrong I'll defend the future astronaut aesthetic to the death. Cramped is good, but would be nice if it were less bland.
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Dec 31, 2016 23:06
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When they remembered to add colour and blinky lights in the last season it brightened the sets right up I object to the NX-01 consisting of miles and miles of corridor, moreso than the Enterprise D
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Dec 31, 2016 23:17
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I just don't like it. At least the nacelles are in the proper configuration.
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Dec 31, 2016 23:18
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Tunicate posted:Cramped is good, but would be nice if it were less bland. Babylon 5 did something about this, where each sector had different coloured stripes on the wall. Cheap and fast to redress the sets, but it served a purpose which I think real-life long mission spacecraft would have to consider: variety to keep people sane. I think it's MacMurdo on Antarctica where the walls are all crazy colours so the people don't go nuts. I'd like to see that in Discovery.
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Dec 31, 2016 23:26
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I'll always defend the NX-01 design. If the 1701 is pure 60's futurism, then the NX-01 is a good blend of "40's space rocket" and "something NASA could conceivably build 150 years from now".
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Tighclops posted:When they remembered to add colour and blinky lights in the last season it brightened the sets right up
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Rhyno posted:NX-01 is a bland, cramped design but I guess that's what they were aiming for. Seth MacFarlane insisted that the bland setting could be offset by colorful flashback gags. 
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Payndz posted:I got to visit the set of Enterprise when I was working as a journalist (they were shooting 'The Communicator'), and the main thing I remember of it was that it was a literal maze. Apparently in TNG and VOY the directors complained that they couldn't do long 'walk and talk' scenes, so they decided to redress that to the nth degree. It would be entirely possible to get lost in it, because while a lot of the walls were 'wild' and could be lifted up on cables so the cameras could shoot through them, you couldn't move them from inside. So if you were shooting in the transporter room, say, you had to go through sickbay or whatever to reach it. That sounds neat - are there any photos of the set layout? I tried googling them, but all I found was the Stage 9 interlopers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjffpMV3Q30
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I'll always defend the NX-01 design. If the 1701 is pure 60's futurism, then the NX-01 is a good blend of "40's space rocket" and "something NASA could conceivably build 150 years from now". It also feels like a reasonably natural progression from the Phoenix in First Contact, plus it looks believably old 'n' busted next to the Constitution in the Mirror episodes. The NX is cool.
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WickedHate posted:That's because it's the movie where Gene was in charge. Like, even V'Ger itself. So much yonic imagery in its design. During Spock's EVA, he talks of penetrating the orifice.
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I'll second (third?) the NX-01 design. The aesthetic I personally dislike is show-era TOS. I know, I know, super low-budget TV series in the late 60s trying to be futuristic, but it's a aesthetic that I never visually liked regardless of where I see it, and never felt like it could be something we'd use. Even movie-era TOS had glowing panels that you could kinda see as legit. (of course, I'm a visual sperg enough that even TNG-and-beyond bugs me, especially in HD. You fire phasers by pressing a series of buttons numbered 42, 64, and 23?)
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MisterBibs posted:(of course, I'm a visual sperg enough that even TNG-and-beyond bugs me, especially in HD. You fire phasers by pressing a series of buttons numbered 42, 64, and 23?) 
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Jan 1, 2017 01:48
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The awful little warp core style light tubes they added to the Columbia or what ever Enterprise's sister ship was's bridge to differentiate them were horrible. How could anyone work with those pulsing light tubes distracting the gently caress out of every scene? They looked cheap and bad.
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Nothing will beat JJtrek's halogen floodlights practically at eye level at all the bridge stations for that
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MisterBibs posted:I'll second (third?) the NX-01 design. The aesthetic I personally dislike is show-era TOS. I know, I know, super low-budget TV series in the late 60s trying to be futuristic, but it's a aesthetic that I never visually liked regardless of where I see it, and never felt like it could be something we'd use. Even movie-era TOS had glowing panels that you could kinda see as legit. Spock Brain told us five buttons can control an entire Spock
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Sash! posted:Spock Brain told us five buttons can control an entire Spock Forward, backward, left, right, and nerve pinch on a motherfucker
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It would have been neat if they'd ditched the corridors and had to walk through other spaces on their way to things in Enterprise. Like in a submarine sandwich.
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MrJacobs posted:So that it gets blown up on the first volley? I mean you have to have something to not die instantly in a deep space ship. Just have hull armour and drop the percentages.
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Duckbag posted:Miri's got a bit of a bad rap, but I think that's mostly because the "planet identical to Earth" part is ridiculous One of my favorite things ever was finding out that actually physics predicts this, the problem was just that it's too close to Earth. If the universe is indeed infinite then there must be an infinite number of exact copies of Earth, because there's only a finite number of ways that matter and energy can be arranged and therefore everything will repeat itself infinitely. However, all that would be so far outside the observable universe it would (presumably) never be possible to detect it.
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Arglebargle III posted:It would have been neat if they'd ditched the corridors and had to walk through other spaces on their way to things in Enterprise. Like in a submarine sandwich. If the route from the bridge to the shuttlepod bay and/or transporter room had gone through the women's showers, the show would have lasted seven seasons, easy.
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If you're a sadist, BBC America, just this hour, started airing seasons 1 and 2 of Voyager, in chronological order, nonstop. Looks like they pick up at season 3 next weekend. Why couldn't they have done a DS9 marathon, instead? 
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Gonz posted:If you're a sadist, BBC America, just this hour, started airing seasons 1 and 2 of Voyager, in chronological order, nonstop. Voyager marathons are the easiest way to turn your channel into garbage, and that's very en vogue for "cable channels that used to be great".
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All BBC America is these days is Graham Norton, Top Gear, Doctor Who, various iterations of CSI, Star Trek, Star Trek: TNG and, now apparently, Star Trek: Voyager. Oh, and occasionally a random movie from the 80's or 90's that makes you go "Huh. I haven't seen that in ages."
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MisterBibs posted:Related, I've always felt that one of the core of reasons (if not ultimately the reason) Enterprise died early was precisely that the general public was done with Trek.
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Gonz posted:All BBC America is these days is Graham Norton, Top Gear, Doctor Who, various iterations of CSI, Star Trek, Star Trek: TNG and, now apparently, Star Trek: Voyager. They did Dirk Gently. It wasn't bad.
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Grand Fromage posted:One of my favorite things ever was finding out that actually physics predicts this, the problem was just that it's too close to Earth. If the universe is indeed infinite then there must be an infinite number of exact copies of Earth, because there's only a finite number of ways that matter and energy can be arranged and therefore everything will repeat itself infinitely. Well no, we could find Earth 2 only a few stars away, the odds are just astronomically against such a thing happening (also the star would presumably have to be just like ours and we would have noticed that). That's really the point of the whole "infinite universe" thing -- even the things that seem stupendously unlikely will still happen somewhere as long as they're not actually impossible. Of course, we don't know how infinite the universe really is. It may be infinitely large, but not have infinite matter. The whole thing's a little unclear.
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Tighclops posted:When they remembered to add colour and blinky lights in the last season it brightened the sets right up That was one thing JJTrek did properly with the Franklin--you really go the sense it was a tiny ship, and they did so in a few short scenes. As to the phase cannons/phasers debate, I was saying that it was bad to ape TNG/Voyager in a prequel back in 2001. I still say they should have had the balls to do no viewscreens, as it was stated to be the case in the Romulan War era on TOS, instead of retconning it away.  "Wait, you mean we've never seen a Romulan?" "No sir, you just missed them, they walked out of the room when Mr. Furley came in!"
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The Romulans could easily go through proxies or client races. The Humans only ever encountered Remans or something.
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Astroman posted:That was one thing JJTrek did properly with the Franklin--you really go the sense it was a tiny ship, and they did so in a few short scenes. If they removed view screens it would be a really stupid idea for casual audiences that the show needed to stay afloat. It had a lot of problems but view screens were not one of them. Why the gently caress would they not have anything like that when vulcans did and they did share a lot of basic technology between the species otherwise Earth would have still been a radioactive hellhole by the time of ENT
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The Romulans on ENT only communicated via audio (the minefield) or not at all (the unmanned drone.) They can have viewscreens and refuse to use them and still satisfy that continuity requirement. It's also good to keep in mind that a lot of early TOS continuity is a mess and probably shouldn't be followed to the letter. The "simple impulse" thing in particular is dumb as balls and best forgotten because any interstellar war where one side has FTL capability and the other doesn't would be over in about five minutes.
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I recently watched Balance of Terror and would like to make a couple spergy points: Spock says that they didn't have ship to ship visual communication, not that they didn't have view screens. That doesn't even necessarily mean that Starfleet didn't have the ability to video chat with each other, it just means they never talked face to face with a Romulan. The "simple impulse" thing can suggest that all the output of their warp core was being used to maintain the invisibility screen, considering the Romulan ship was invisible almost the entire episode (particularly when the Enterprise was chasing it) and one of the Romulans telling Commander Sarek that the invisibility screen "uses too much fuel." I mean, really, people are taking these remarks to amazing lengths in saying "nobody should have view screens in Enterprise!" or "the Romulans didn't have warp engines!" You're telling me the Romulans sent their ship to attack Earth outposts like 50 years ago or whatever, only now got there, and are heading back to Romulus, ETA 50 years?
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A lot of TOS' incidental lines should definitely be glossed over. However, they totally could have sold the view screen thing if they didn't play the entire thing like a typical Star Trek show with the typical Star Trek formula. Of course view screen communication is essential if you're gonna be doing TNG type stories, and that's Enterprise's whole problem.
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