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That's some goooooood schadenfreude.
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Terrible Robot posted:That's some goooooood schadenfreude. Almost as good as watching videos on youtube of rich teenagers buying super cars and then either sticking them into ditches or complaining about the service costs.
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Jan 9, 2017 14:07
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There's barely even any snow in those pictures.
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Jan 9, 2017 14:09
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The best thing about this is -3hr ago -1hr ago
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Olympic Mathlete posted:*editttttt: Quote is not edit ambulances and fire engines are trucks. 
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Jan 9, 2017 21:48
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Powershift posted:The ford GT ordering kit they send to owners to help them pick their colors and materials. gently caress them. No V8, no sale. Especially for 400K.
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Jan 10, 2017 02:55
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R-Type posted:gently caress them. No V8, no sale. Especially for 400K. I feel like you should be revving a 160hp chevy 305 with no mufflers while saying this.
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Jan 10, 2017 02:57
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Wasn't the engine picked for homologation reasons? Or just fuel economy for endurance racing?
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Jan 10, 2017 02:58
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Can't imagine a V6 TT is any better on fuel than a V8. I'd bet worse, especially on a race car that's constantly at high load/boost where things get very hot and more fuel (oddly) is what cools things down.
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Jan 10, 2017 14:17
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Smaller capacity engines with turbos are crap on fuel if you rag them everywhere. If you are just trundling along and not spooling the turbo up then they are great. Same thing with turbo diesels which always amuse me when people drive them like they stole them and wonder why their fuel costs are higher than their old petrol car. VVV That is good to know about modern turbo engines. It makes more sense than just throwing a snail on it so you can quote higher power figures at the top end. BigPaddy fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Jan 10, 2017 |
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Jan 10, 2017 14:45
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Funny thing - none of that's true anymore, what with direct injection and all, at least as the cars are built. The boost limits and richest allowed lambda are actually in the balance of performance stuff and publicly available (http://files.constantcontact.com/db5636c9001/0727cee9-9398-4ef5-b13f-7498d3ece430.pdf) - the Ford GTs this year will be running only around 8psi of boost, and no richer than 0.9 lambda - for comparison, the naturally aspirated Corvettes are allowed to run a bit richer at 0.88. One of the big things turbos get you though is a broader powerband, which lets you do things like potentially have the same output torque at lower engine RPM. Watch the Daytona 24 in a couple weeks - the Corvettes and Porsches have basically the same tank size as the GTs.
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Jan 10, 2017 15:05
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MetaJew posted:Wasn't the engine picked for homologation reasons? Or just fuel economy for endurance racing? Dunno about the full on racing ones, but the road versions are getting slapped with the gas guzzler tax. Don't the 6.4 Dodges manage to dodge that with the 8-speed?
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Jan 10, 2017 15:53
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Dunno about the full on racing ones, but the road versions are getting slapped with the gas guzzler tax. Don't the 6.4 Dodges manage to dodge that with the 8-speed? Correct. In MA the tax is $1000 which is the same as paying for the 8 speed upgrade so it works out that no matter if you choose a manual or an auto the price is the same.
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Jan 10, 2017 15:54
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mekilljoydammit posted:Funny thing - none of that's true anymore, what with direct injection and all, at least as the cars are built. The boost limits and richest allowed lambda are actually in the balance of performance stuff and publicly available (http://files.constantcontact.com/db5636c9001/0727cee9-9398-4ef5-b13f-7498d3ece430.pdf) - the Ford GTs this year will be running only around 8psi of boost, and no richer than 0.9 lambda - for comparison, the naturally aspirated Corvettes are allowed to run a bit richer at 0.88. One of the big things turbos get you though is a broader powerband, which lets you do things like potentially have the same output torque at lower engine RPM. Watch the Daytona 24 in a couple weeks - the Corvettes and Porsches have basically the same tank size as the GTs. The best part is DI engines are eventually going to need particulate filters.
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Jan 10, 2017 17:43
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    those are C6 Audi RS6 bits jammed all up in there.
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Jan 10, 2017 19:47
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BlackMK4 posted:The best part is DI engines are eventually going to need particulate filters. I think they may also need urea injection too, at least if they try raising the compression ratio any higher. It's my personal belief that the cleanest ICE drivetrain is a pushrod V8 cammed for Atkinson cycle running at max efficiency with a hybrid electric trans attached.
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Jan 10, 2017 19:50
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And as we know from experience, your personal beliefs are often completely wrong.
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Jan 10, 2017 19:56
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BigPaddy posted:Smaller capacity engines with turbos are crap on fuel if you rag them everywhere. AKA ask me about getting 15 mpg in my 2.0 Ecoboost.
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Jan 10, 2017 20:31
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FogHelmut posted:AKA ask me about getting 15 mpg in my 2.0 Ecoboost. FFS I get 16-21 on my 3.5L ecoboost F150
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Jan 10, 2017 20:36
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BlackMK4 posted:The best part is DI engines are eventually going to need particulate filters. And sooner than you'd think... Powershift posted:And as we know from experience, your personal beliefs are often completely wrong.
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Jan 10, 2017 20:46
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:FFS I get 16-21 on my 3.5L ecoboost F150 Its the area I live in, I'm getting a few mpg below city rating in my other car too. I drive almost 0 highway miles, and its all suburban SoCal hills. As soon as you reach the 50 mph speed limit, you're on the brakes for the next stop light. All of the houses are on the hillsides, and all of the roads are in the valleys, so you get intersections at all of the low points. Always braking downhill and accelerating uphill. It's ideal for hypomiling. For the record, I was doing above EPA when I lived in a flat area.
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BlackMK4 posted:The best part is DI engines are eventually going to need particulate filters. They are already pushing for a soonish implementation in Europe. MrOnBicycle fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Jan 10, 2017 |
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Jan 10, 2017 21:25
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Powershift posted:And as we know from experience, your personal beliefs are often completely wrong.  I was only half-ironic in the past when I said we peaked at push rod V8's. Transmission improvements, lighter cars and refinements to the engines themselves are all they need. I mean, a bloody Charger R/T is rated at 25 mpg on the highway as it stands today.
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Jan 10, 2017 21:30
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Powershift posted:The ford GT ordering kit they send to owners to help them pick their colors and materials. That's pretty cool. Definitely better than an online configurator or whatever, and you get a matching VIN for the kit when you get the car, making it part of the collection. Terrible Robot posted:That's some goooooood schadenfreude. Yeeeeeeesssss Found this after a few related videos to the Ford GT kit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGrut8IhEu0 Dangit, now I need want a straight-8. Should have made my dad keep the '53 Pontiac he got in a package deal, but it did need a lot of work. Ditto fir the '30s Lincoln with the flathead V12 (hydraulic power windows!)
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FogHelmut posted:Its the area I live in, I'm getting a few mpg below city rating in my other car too. I drive almost 0 highway miles, and its all suburban SoCal hills. As soon as you reach the 50 mph speed limit, you're on the brakes for the next stop light. All of the houses are on the hillsides, and all of the roads are in the valleys, so you get intersections at all of the low points. Always braking downhill and accelerating uphill. It's ideal for hypomiling. I was getting 15mpg crawling 25 miles in DC traffic for 2 hours each way.  Now I get 15 mpg at 12lbs of boost 
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Jan 10, 2017 22:06
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:FFS I get 16-21 on my 3.5L ecoboost F150 I'm doing about the same with my Explorer Sport.
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Jan 10, 2017 22:26
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Grater posted:I'm doing about the same with my Explorer Sport. I was getting SLIGHTLY better with my Sport Trac on the highway miles. But my Explorer wasn't making 365HP & 420ft/lbs
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Jan 10, 2017 22:43
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BigPaddy posted:Correct. In MA the tax is $1000 which is the same as paying for the 8 speed upgrade so it works out that no matter if you choose a manual or an auto the price is the same. That said, I've seen just a touch over 30mpg on ~300mi highway stints with the 6.4/6spd combo.
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I treated myself to a nice model of an 80" Land Rover. Minichamps 1/18 scale:   
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But where is the oil leak? 
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InitialDave posted:I treated myself to a nice model of an 80" Land Rover. Minichamps 1/18 scale: Thunderbird 2 was the best toy of the set. I wonder if my parents kept mine.
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Larrymer posted:Can't imagine a V6 TT is any better on fuel than a V8. I'd bet worse, especially on a race car that's constantly at high load/boost where things get very hot and more fuel (oddly) is what cools things down. You'd be extremely wrong then. The Ford GT's biggest advantage over the naturally asiprated Corvette and the turbo 488 GTE was its fuel mileage, particularly under part throttle.
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Powershift posted:
Good lord. Have a link to a build post or anything?
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Guinness posted:Good lord. Have a link to a build post or anything? Did a little big of digging, apparently it has it's own facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/Golf-V10-Bi-Turbo-GoGi-1608008346149208/photos/?ref=page_internal there are some build pics at the bottom.
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Grater posted:I'm doing about the same with my Explorer Sport. My '66 Corvette is on the low end of that, and '12 Wrangler is on the high end.
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Thunderbird 2 was the best toy of the set. I wonder if my parents kept mine. Glad I wasn't the only one who saw that first. My kids play with mine often. Lucky for me my mom is a hoarder and I rescued it and a bunch of old toys from her house.
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Wistful of Dollars posted:
I get 28 MPG from my Challenge R/T 392 until I decide to overtake
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drgitlin posted:You'd be extremely wrong then. The Ford GT's biggest advantage over the naturally asiprated Corvette and the turbo 488 GTE was its fuel mileage, particularly under part throttle. As stated in the racing regs above, well, yep. On the road though where they aren't constrained by class rules, I'd still stand by what I said.
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:I was getting SLIGHTLY better with my Sport Trac on the highway miles. To be fair the Explorer Sport ecoboost is tuned a bit lower than the F150, it's rated 365hp/350ft/lbs. Once my warranty is up I'll be there or better though. Godholio posted:My '66 Corvette is on the low end of that, and '12 Wrangler is on the high end. I had a 2007 wrangler before this and it got almost identical mileage to my explorer. I'm way heavier on the pedal than I was with the Wrangler though and I can carry my entire family in comfort. I also have less than 10,000 miles and from what I've heard they improve a bit once they are fully broken in.
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