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this thread in a year: the relicbound stormbolter hits on a 4+ and wounds on a 3+, whereas the stormbound relicae hits on a 3+ and wounds on a 4+, any suggestions on which one is the better pick?
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The barrel is slightly longer on the second option and since we measure from the closest part of the model...
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Not too worried, since 40k isn't selling so incredibly poorly as to be worth destroying its' setting in favor of one which is much more popular and sells better than that which it replaced.
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Texmo posted:Not too worried, since 40k isn't selling so incredibly poorly as to be worth destroying its' setting in favor of one which is much more popular and sells better than that which it replaced. Either way, I'm good. I'm not a gigantic man-baby like BG though so it's all good. Boon fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Jan 17, 2017 |
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Business Gorillas posted:hello everyone i wanted to know how you are doing and what stage of grief you are in wrt 40k getting blown up Hencoe posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GcjWEO0O8I
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Texmo posted:Not too worried, since 40k isn't selling so incredibly poorly as to be worth destroying its' setting in favor of one which is much more popular and sells better than that which it replaced. (this post was made while standing under the rapidly growing shadow of a grand piano)
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Business Gorillas posted:(this post was made while standing under the rapidly growing shadow of a grand piano) Thats cuz its sunrise.
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Gathering Storm is gonna be Cool and Good. 40k's gonna wind up in a better place by 8th ed. AoS is good now.
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Business Gorillas posted:(this post was made while standing under the rapidly growing shadow of a grand piano) wait, you're telling me that 40k (a bad game) might become... a different kind of bad game? do tell me more about how games workshop, maker of bad games with cool miniatures, are likely to continue making bad games with cool miniatures.
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On the subject of pronunciation...The Sex Cannon posted:
Badcast posted:Flashjits Badcast posted:jits It's a hard G. Coming from the slang for ostentatious which is "flash" and obnoxious person which is "git". No J sounds. Otherwise, loving the podcast.
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Sorry to interrupt pronunciation chat, but I just posted the new 40k Badcast!
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Business Gorillas posted:this thread in a year: This is a silly question, provided they have the same number of attacks the Stormbound Relicae is obviously superior. With just two attacks it's twice as effective. 
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:On the subject of pronunciation... You think hearing Orks scream it over and over in the video games would clue one in...unsubscribed!
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It made me so angry I had to stop the painting and listening to the podcast and get a cup of tea to steady my hands.
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Cross posting from the bad thread, I am literally surprised to see them moving so fast on this stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPb17XN5W0g
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JesusIsTehCool posted:Expendable seems super strong, easily being able to run a charge with everything. JesusIsTehCool posted:I mean just look at the hormaguant, making it a beast, making all its upgrades 2 points per model (including endless swarm), allowing them to run and charge, and they get rage?  JesusIsTehCool posted:I mean just look at the hormaguant, making it a beast, making all its upgrades 2 points per model (including endless swarm), allowing them to run and charge, and they get rage?  OK, I might have missed some loving crucial changes that seriously drag things into absolutely ridiculous territory. Goddamn, what would upgrades like that make Horms cost? Like under 20 points? As for playing this in a friendly game, I'd do it if my buddy spammed Wulfen and Knights again.  Otherwise, yeah, I hadn't picked up all of how busted it is. If I had the time I'd base one on this or the Sidedisc one and nerfbat it into reasonable territory. Any time I was making rules, remembering D-flamers, Wulfen, and Wraithknights would automatically purge me of any caution, so I think the answer is to make something that's an exact copy but with this army's special rules as an option. Congrats, the Barbed Hierodule now has ranged D-guns and costs 295 points.
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Hormagaunts used to be beasts and it was fine. The only issue was that beasts couldn't climb stairs in that edition.
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Safety Factor posted:Hormagaunts used to be beasts and it was fine. The only issue was that beasts couldn't climb stairs in that edition. Just like a lot of hams.
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Texmo posted:Not too worried, since 40k isn't selling so incredibly poorly as to be worth destroying its' setting in favor of one which is much more popular and sells better than that which it replaced. It's worth pointing out that Fantasy was only selling poorly compared to 40K. In its market it was still number 1.
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adamantium|wang posted:It's worth pointing out that Fantasy was only selling poorly compared to 40K. In its market it was still number 1. It's also worth pointing out, then, that being number 1 in a losing market is still a losing market. That said, I don't know what that market looks like but I'll take an educated guess that it's not large enough to support the range and breadth of GW's fantasy line.
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adamantium|wang posted:It's worth pointing out that Fantasy was only selling poorly compared to 40K. In its market it was still number 1. oh for sure, but including that fact would have made the post less effective at annoying Business Gorillas, who only comes here to sourpost about how AoS ruined his life.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:On the subject of pronunciation... I heard it when he said it but I didn't correct him because I don't have a lot of friends, ok?
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Fluff question: I'm running a Rogue Trader campaign, and my party has picked a fight with a minor chapter of Nurgle Chaos Space Marines, specifically the Flylords Warband. Things are building towards a major space battle confrontation, so I'm wondering, fluff-wise, what chapter of Space Marines would be most likely to come to the rescue of said Rogue Traders, either out of the desire to save Imperial citizens wherever they are (unlikely) or because an Ordos Malleus Inquisitor pulled some strings and called some favors (more likely) or because they hate Nurgle CSM's with a particular burning passion (bingo). Bonus points if the Chapter has access to some fleet assets (Battlebarges, Strike Cruisers, etc). Thanks  !
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Boon posted:It's also worth pointing out, then, that being number 1 in a losing market is still a losing market. Fantasy selling well is just something salty fantasy players pulled out of their rear end, during the AoS debacle I never once saw actual sales data where Fantasy wasn't being destroyed by games like Warmachine. It was still being played and product was circulating, but that was used product. NIB sales had gone down the drain as most kits were old as gently caress and there was more product circulating in the 2nd hand market than the entire playerbase knew what to do with. That said I think the only game at the time that was both outselling fantasy and wasn't, in my opinion, a completely different demographic was Warmachine. It was also getting destroyed by stuff like X-Wing and Heroclix but those aren't exactly things I'd view in the same category.
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Fantasy didn't sell well because 8th edition was barely supported. It got better near the end, there was even a well-received multiplayer expansion, but there was a nine+ month gap between the new rulebook and the first 8th edition army book. It was a self-fulfilling prophecy at that point.
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Boon posted:It's also worth pointing out, then, that being number 1 in a losing market is still a losing market. What does "range and breadth" even mean? Historicals have a mind boggling array of scales, rules and army ranges within the larger community. The Perry Bros website has 18 different wars with model ranges and 38 different plastic boxes. It's two guys sculpting models (who just so happened to have sculpted a shitload of beloved GW figures). Flames of War and Bolt Action both have pretty substantial player bases and cover just about every possible configuration of WW2 combatant. How does having a "range and breadth" kill a game exactly? I'm pretty sure GW killed fantasy by first increasing box prices and decreasing model count in the box, then released an edition that made really high model count units good, then printed books that made dark elfs the good guys, gave everything insanely broken rules, and killed a couple army books offscreen, then did nothing for 4 months while people sold their armies on eBay.
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The Sex Cannon posted:I heard it when he said it but I didn't correct him because I don't have a lot of friends, ok? Okay, I'm going to let you off. But if either of you ever say "turrent" I swear to god I will do a rage poo poo.
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40k isn't getting the age of sigmar changes, they've even confirmed that in official channels. They are going to streamline it a bit I would guess, maybe try to knock down the amount of books you need. There are lots of reasons that fantasy didn't do well, and obviously a lot of it was GW's fault but the new GW seems to understand that they poo poo everywhere and at least seem to want to clean it up a bit
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lol at people taking Games "We won't squat Brettonians" Workshop at their word when they say they're not pulling an End Times on 40k. At this point I'm watching the new releases unfold like a slow motion trainwreck, always reminding myself that hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
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tallkidwithglasses posted:What does "range and breadth" even mean? Historicals have a mind boggling array of scales, rules and army ranges within the larger community. The Perry Bros website has 18 different wars with model ranges and 38 different plastic boxes. It's two guys sculpting models (who just so happened to have sculpted a shitload of beloved GW figures). Flames of War and Bolt Action both have pretty substantial player bases and cover just about every possible configuration of WW2 combatant. How does having a "range and breadth" kill a game exactly? E: Misspoke and meant depth. But your post displays a stunning lack of sense. It's obvious GW doesnt have the skill and talent on staff to support the Fantasy line at that time. Ill see if I can dig up some market reports on miniature hobby gaming tomorrow, but that market, much more so the fantasy niche, is likely to be tiny and not supportive of GWs massive Fantasy collection. The broader and deeper their line, the more expensive it is to produce and maintain. Without acheiving the scale required to keep costs down the game is bound to financially falter. At the end of the day they're a business and not a hobby manufacturer in a basement. If you want to argue that they've not done enough in the realm of marketing and 'growing the pie' you want find much argument from me - they're a horrible marketing company. Boon fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Jan 17, 2017 |
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Okay, I'm going to let you off. But if either of you ever say "turrent" I swear to god I will do a rage poo poo. I really appreciate it officer. I swear we won't do it again. Is "turrent" an idiot's way of saying "turret" or "torrent"?
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susan posted:Fluff question: I'm running a Rogue Trader campaign, and my party has picked a fight with a minor chapter of Nurgle Chaos Space Marines, specifically the Flylords Warband. Things are building towards a major space battle confrontation, so I'm wondering, fluff-wise, what chapter of Space Marines would be most likely to come to the rescue of said Rogue Traders, either out of the desire to save Imperial citizens wherever they are (unlikely) or because an Ordos Malleus Inquisitor pulled some strings and called some favors (more likely) or because they hate Nurgle CSM's with a particular burning passion (bingo). Bonus points if the Chapter has access to some fleet assets (Battlebarges, Strike Cruisers, etc). Thanks If you need a random fleet of Space Marines showing up to kick rear end, save the day, and faff off, then you're looking for the Carcharodons. That's basically the entirety of what they do in the fluff. Legion of the Damned have a similar schtick but tend to explicitly help defend Imperial forces, where as the Carcharodons are pretty regularly cruising for fights with CSM.
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The Sex Cannon posted:I really appreciate it officer. I swear we won't do it again. It is a disturbingly common way of saying and spelling "turret."
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There's also separate thread for 40k rpg:s https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3464821&perpage=40&pagenumber=293#pti18 Marine chapters I use are usually Made up jokey ones, so Space Bears, Adeptus Janitorus or Dark Angels. Issaries fucked around with this message at 07:44 on Jan 17, 2017 |
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:It is a disturbingly common way of saying and spelling "turret." I think it has something to do with spell check.
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The Sex Cannon posted:Is "turrent" an idiot's way of saying "turret" or "torrent"? Turrent is an idiot's way of saying turret; people who have never read the word, and base their spelling on whatever accent they misheard it in, or alternatively whatever accent they heard someone misspeak it in. Half the World of Tanks forum posting userbase have never used the correct spelling of the word.
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NTRabbit posted:Turrent is an idiot's way of saying turret; people who have never read the word, and base their spelling on whatever accent they misheard it in, or alternatively whatever accent they heard someone misspeak it in. You're describing ignorance, which happens to everyone in different ways. Idiocy is refusing to say it correctly after they've been educated.
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mango sentinel posted:You're describing ignorance, which happens to everyone in different ways. Idiocy is refusing to say it correctly after they've been educated. Oh they've been corrected, more times than you can count. Refusing to learn anything, ever, is a feature of not only the NA World of Tanks server, but the USA in general.
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mango sentinel posted:You're describing ignorance, which happens to everyone in different ways. Idiocy is refusing to say it correctly after they've been educated. Sounds like someone used to say turrent.
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