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I watched the 95 Ghost in the Shell movie tonight, well 36 minutes of it until I felt too bored to continue and switched it off, Scarlett Johanssons chebs here we come
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuJ25aDdw4s New trailer. Some corny dialogue, some pretty images. VFX on the camouflage are looking really cool now. I'm pretty much at the point where the imagery is solid enough that I'll enjoy it on those grounds alone, even if the story is pretty much confirmed to be the most generic possible take.
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Feb 13, 2017 10:09
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Looks more like Robocop in the Shell. Meh.
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Feb 13, 2017 21:45
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I like how the opening imagery is of a guy playing video games in his underwear before the police kick in his door and murder him.
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Feb 13, 2017 21:54
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Looks like they're going for all the memorable scenes/characters from both GITS movies plus a "she used to work for the system, until the system betrayed her" trope added on.Halloween Jack posted:I like how the opening imagery is of a guy playing video games in his underwear before the police kick in his door and murder him. Know your audience.
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Feb 13, 2017 22:05
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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They're also leaning a fair bit on some matrix imagery, with the slow motion glass explosion and wall running gun fighting. It had been a while since I'd seen that in a movie. It looks really cheap, which is strange, because it presumably wasn't.
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Feb 13, 2017 23:14
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from that trailer it looks like it would be worth watching if you like the visual design, the messy cyberpunk look, which I do. Not really sold on the story or writing though, it's hard to judge a film for that from just a trailer. Definitely feeling the "here's all the scenes you love from previous media" though.
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Feb 14, 2017 00:25
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Looks like they're going for the dumbest possible angle just like I feared. Let's abduct a random person and erase their memories when making a cyborg super cop. What? Use an actual terminally ill patient or just a straight up volunteer? That would be ridiculous! It's a known fact that being super evil is good for your stock!
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Feb 14, 2017 01:49
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7c Nickel posted:Looks like they're going for the dumbest possible angle just like I feared. I don't get that from the trailer. I just think the "bad guy" might be saying poo poo to get his own way. Don't take everything on face value.
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Feb 14, 2017 02:03
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starkebn posted:I don't get that from the trailer. I just think the "bad guy" might be saying poo poo to get his own way. Don't take everything on face value. Did you miss the whole "you promised us a clean brain!" and "we'll have to terminate" from the latest one?
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Feb 14, 2017 02:43
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7c Nickel posted:Did you miss the whole "you promised us a clean brain!" and "we'll have to terminate" from the latest one? didn't remember watching the last one so "yes" I suppose. But I'm not sure what you think those lines are implying either.
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Feb 14, 2017 02:55
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Frankly I would rather watch the movie than tilt at a loving trailer.
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Feb 14, 2017 02:57
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7c Nickel posted:Did you miss the whole "you promised us a clean brain!" and "we'll have to terminate" from the latest one? "You promised us a clean brain" is functionally the opposite of saying "You could have just given us any brain, it didn't matter." Your interpretation doesn't make any sense: Nowhere in the trailer is it stated that the selection of Major is "random." Nowhere in the trailer are you told that she was not terminally ill, nor a volunteer. What makes it even funnier is the final canard about how evil is "bad for business," or whatever. The trailer has the exact same plot as GitS'95.
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Feb 14, 2017 03:15
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7c Nickel posted:Looks like they're going for the dumbest possible angle just like I feared. You're still assuming abduction when it isn't stated. It seems to me more directly a robocop/deus ex situation where officers/security agents they have legal ownership of are terminally injured and they jump at the opportunity it presents. Both of those stories gave reasons that answer your question, why do you assume this one won't? Plus volunteers probably don't work when your intention is to have a clean brain you can control, with no memories and no ties to friends or family. "Hey, you can live but we want to erase your life and make you into a slave. Also plz tell your mom and dad never to try and contact you." Who would volunteer for that? What family members would actually obey?
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Feb 14, 2017 03:19
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"Intelligence services do bad things sometimes" doesn't seem like a hard thing to believe. Canvassing for volunteers wouldn't be a good way to keep a program secret. And yeah it could just be a matter of lying to the family and saying she died after an accident. Irony Be My Shield fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Feb 14, 2017 |
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Feb 14, 2017 03:42
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I'm a bit sad we're not getting the Stand Alone Complex story of police corruption and corporate coverup.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Canvassing for volunteers wouldn't be a good way to keep a program secret. Which is of course why clandestine agencies around the world exclusively recruit unwilling volunteers.
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Feb 14, 2017 05:22
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:People have very little understanding of what exploitation is, and so get upset at seeing a breast, like the solution is to cover up breasts and then capitalism will function as it should. What should be done then? How is covering up exploitation?
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Feb 14, 2017 06:09
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The latest trailer showed that they cleaned up some of the troubling CGI. I'm pretty excited.
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Feb 14, 2017 06:51
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K. Waste posted:"You promised us a clean brain" is functionally the opposite of saying "You could have just given us any brain, it didn't matter." 
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Halloween Jack posted:Motoko Kusanagi was...Abbie Normal?!
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MonsieurChoc posted:I'm a bit sad we're not getting the Stand Alone Complex story of police corruption and corporate coverup. I'm sad we're not getting the 2nd Gig story about using refugees and immigrants as a scapegoat for governmental corruption and coverups!
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Ersatz posted:Yeah - I'm confused as to how that trailer can be interpreted as presenting the same plot as the '95 film. There is a specialized, shadowy paramilitary organization which works with industrial capitalists to develop weapons that periodically 'go rogue,' and then works with corrupt globalist governments to cover it up. The reason even fans of GitS so frequently express confusion over the plot of the '95 film is because they interpret it as an ideological fantasy, something where a few good post-humans do their best to help the greater good, and where Kusanagi is the apparent phallus. But the whole point of the '95 film is that Kusanagi is entirely unremarkable, and merely has a death wish. She will strip naked for her kill and then smile after assassinating an inconvenient diplomat. The superficial plot content is entirely unremarkable - it's just that it's interpreted unconventionally, not as an 'action movie,' but as a cruel, cerebral mission - where the objective is always, implicitly, protect the status quo. The trailer for Sanders' remake tells the same exact story, except it just cuts out the part about the puppet master. But rather explicitly, the meta-textual narrative depicts scenarios which are transparently lifted from 'the original.' In other words, the plot is 'changed,' but the same things happen, the action beats escalating in remarkably similar ways to the '95 film. Fans interpret this as a 'dumbing down' of the film's content, but the superficial content was never the point. The point is that Section 9 are the bad guys.
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K. Waste posted:There is a specialized, shadowy paramilitary organization which works with industrial capitalists to develop weapons that periodically 'go rogue,' and then works with corrupt globalist governments to cover it up. Ersatz fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Feb 14, 2017 |
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Feb 14, 2017 22:07
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Calde posted:I'm sad we're not getting the 2nd Gig story about using refugees and immigrants as a scapegoat for governmental corruption and coverups! That would be relevant and actual mean something beyond a vapid rehash!
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Feb 14, 2017 22:57
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I always love the Japanese (Corporatist) Authoritarian Militarism in movies/shows like GitS and Evangelion. Be very American for them to cut that aspect out of the movie, though. It's not depicted in an obvious, cartoonish Verhoeven-like way, but it still works without them having to wink.
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K. Waste posted:There is a specialized, shadowy paramilitary organization which works with industrial capitalists to develop weapons that periodically 'go rogue,' and then works with corrupt globalist governments to cover it up. I think that's a decent summary of GitS in the broader sense, but for Oshii's films S9 and the intrigue is largely backdrop for more existential pondering. The first being specifically about the meaning of individual identity. What is essential to make a person themselves? Can you remove the body and the memories and have identity intact? What about merging characteristics with a completely separate entity? You could argue that the Robocop narrative tackles the same question in a somewhat different manner, though. Her memories and history are erased, is she still herself? Not as thorough or unique a probing as the original, but still. The elements you mentioned are present as a result of common source material, I just wouldn't say they are what the film is about in a primary sense. The bit about Motoko being unremarkable is dead on though. Her nature as an android is less a superhero power fantasy and more a literal depiction of feeling alien within yourself. And the death wish is definitely a big part too. It's something that is present in every single Oshii protagonist. That guy needs to lighten up. I think a lot of the idea of Motoko as the phallus of the greater good is largely a product of the television shows, where she's portrayed as more traditionally badass. Film Motoko while carrying out a shady killing is detached and just gives a chilly and numb "Is that so?" when the target claims his country will defend him. TV Motoko follows it up with a "action badass" pun of a one liner "Well you're DEAD wrong!" as the electric guitars swell.  ufarn posted:I always love the Japanese (Corporatist) Authoritarian Militarism in movies/shows like GitS and Evangelion. Be very American for them to cut that aspect out of the movie, though. Why do you think they are cutting it out? They are explicitly showing that S9 is shady and not-all-good already... Bugblatter fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Feb 15, 2017 |
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Inzombiac posted:The latest trailer showed that they cleaned up some of the troubling CGI. Yeah the window breaking scene (which I disliked before) looks much better now, among other things.
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Rough Lobster posted:Yeah the window breaking scene (which I disliked before) looks much better now, among other things. I'm kind of surprised by the amount of unfinished effects they released for promotion.
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Bugblatter posted:I think that's a decent summary of GitS in the broader sense, but for Oshii's films S9 and the intrigue is largely backdrop for more existential pondering. The first being specifically about the meaning of individual identity. What is essential to make a person themselves? Can you remove the body and the memories and have identity intact? What about merging characteristics with a completely separate entity? Well there you are, comrade - RoboCop, Blade Runner, The Matrix, and GitS'95 are all not only about artificial intelligence, but specifically artificial policing. There are a couple of conversations in the film about post-humanity, but the most revealing one is portrayed deliberately not as a profound realization, but, rather, a minimalist scene of two cops drinking, tinged by one's unrequited attraction for the other. The post-human jargon is a smokescreen for the abundantly apparent normalcy of not "owning oneself," that Section 9 are, like their first official targets, garbage men.
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dont even fink about it posted:Frankly I would rather watch the movie than tilt at a loving trailer. Ya but this is CinD, where getting tilted over trailers is the name of the game.
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Bugblatter posted:I think a lot of the idea of Motoko as the phallus of the greater good is largely a product of the television shows, where she's portrayed as more traditionally badass. Film Motoko while carrying out a shady killing is detached and just gives a chilly and numb "Is that so?" when the target claims his country will defend him. TV Motoko follows it up with a "action badass" pun of a one liner "Well you're DEAD wrong!" as the electric guitars swell. Meanwhile, Manga Motoko throws a 16-year old boy wired with explosives into his father's hotel room.
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I've gotta admit, responding to the racial politics of making the rebellious characters white people in a majority nonwhite society by dismissing it as "identity politics" and busting out some "no war but the class war" poo poo is an extremely alpha move.
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ufarn posted:I always love the Japanese (Corporatist) Authoritarian Militarism in movies/shows like GitS and Evangelion. Be very American for them to cut that aspect out of the movie, though. No one notices in Akira that the JSDF was replaced with a super-powerful Army. With a chrysanthemum logo.
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Uncle Wemus posted:What should be done then? How is covering up exploitation? Beginning with your second question: what's being exploited is the covering-up itself. Femsploitation in place of sexsploitation. The prospect of not seeing an rear end carries an incredibly strong appeal for some people, and companies are very ready to capitalize on that. See, again, those dudes who had this whole plan in their heads about how a confidently lesbian Kusanagi will smile ever-so-slightly to signify her empowerment in their ideal version of the film - or else the company won't get their money. The prospect of 'voting with your wallet' is misinterpreted as a somehow good thing, not an astonishingly poor alternative to actual enfranchisement. Who actually benefits from your continual efforts to become a target market? (Did you not see the word 'target' there?) The prospect of seeing your particular cause appropriated and exploited by Hollywood is, unfortunately, experienced as a privilege. What should be done? First step: don't fall for that nonsense. Don't do what people are doing in this thread.
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Honestly would love to hear your take on someone who just wants armor in a movie based on the works of a weapon systems nerd to be practical and somewhat close to real world designs.
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Mithaldu posted:Honestly would love to hear your take on someone who just wants armor in a movie based on the works of a weapon systems nerd to be practical and somewhat close to real world designs. The tank in GitS '95 isn't practical, it's a giant spider at the middle of the web of conspiracy. The Major stripping down to use her optic camo isn't a realistic limitation of the system, it's titillation and a visual metaphor for her stripping away the shell of her body and becoming a ghost of the Internet.
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See that may be correct, but it's not as funny as SuperMechagodzilla makes it. B- for trying i guess?
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Wait a minute...so they mimic the visuals and shots of GITS '95, use characters loosely based on SAC, and go ahead with a completely different narrative about the Major's identity being wiped and the robo/cyborg corporation being evil? Where the gently caress are they going with this?
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Junior Jr. posted:Wait a minute...so they mimic the visuals and shots of GITS '95, use characters loosely based on SAC, and go ahead with a completely different narrative about the Major's identity being wiped and the robo/cyborg corporation being evil? I guess she can't be part of an evil organisation without trying to overthrow it in the American remake?
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