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Neeksy posted:Our electoral system is mathematically designed to prevent a 3rd party from being a viable alternative without becoming a spoiler for a party that has intersected coalitions. The US would have to convert itself to a proportional representation system that allots seats by percentage rather than win/lose elections in gerrymandered districts. This would be somewhat mitigated by the 3rd Party having some sort of representation in Government itself, slowly supplanting or merging with an existing party. Except every third party with any sort of chance at growing into a major party refuses to do the leg work. Instead they all try and take a shot at the Presidency, as if they could do anything at all with nobody helping them in the other 2 branches of government. You want a 3rd party with any effectiveness you've got to start local and build your way step by step from municipal, to county, to state, to federal office. Then, after you've established yourself with more than a couple House members and a single Senator who is personally popular as all hell, you can start taking a shot at the Presidency. Of course by then in the American system you've either supplanted one of the other parties, merged with it, or don't actually have a chance at getting any bigger.
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I love this show for actually doing the funny things they say they will. I wonder what someone who has no idea thinks about them.
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Feb 14, 2017 20:10
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From the moment we saw that bizarre Cowboy Cath commercial I knew we'd be seeing a parody of it at the end of the episode in true LWT fashion, but to air it on Fox News was truly a master stroke.
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Feb 14, 2017 20:31
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MiddleOne posted:Yeah, by European standards both the republicans and democrats are super right. It's not about right or left. The apparatus of state is too encompassing and too powerful for the ideology of the people elected to be able to shift it's functioning significantly without a massive fight. We could have elected Bernie and it would have kept chugging along. Washingtons rejection of Trump is best understood as a function of this. It's not about rights or racism or what have you. It's about standing with Saudi Arabia and against Russia. It's about ensuring the stability of the world system. Trump's primary failing and the reason for the vast government resistance is not that he's a kinda racist wannabe oligarch piece of poo poo, it's that he threatens the actual non-cosmetic function of government through incompetence, lack of decorum, and not understanding how much elected officials are allowed to interfere
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Feb 14, 2017 20:34
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Oliver loves the fact HBO gives him obscene amounts of money to do whatever the gently caress he wants even if it means a one time joke. It's pretty drat funny in and of itself. Maybe comedians shouldn't lament Trump too much, it's basically another Bush versus picking around stupid things Republican leaders say. Plenty of material to work with
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Feb 14, 2017 20:57
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timp posted:From the moment we saw that bizarre Cowboy Cath commercial I knew we'd be seeing a parody of it at the end of the episode in true LWT fashion, but to air it on Fox News was truly a master stroke. I'm frankly amazed that Trump hasn't already tweeted about it.
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Feb 14, 2017 21:03
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That was yesterday's. He said he'd be doing these every morning. I haven't seen the second one.
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Feb 14, 2017 21:37
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Xealot posted:I wish it was as simplistic as "human being" in its implication. Because the more I think about the rationale behind it, the weirder it feels. I think it's more that there are two competing schools of thought on what "the American way" constitutes. On one side, you have the more widely-known melting pot freedom of speech/religion give us your huddled masses inclusionism, which has been driving all the progressive reforms in the last few years. But the opposing school of thought, the one that doesn't get talked about very much, is that "the American way" is the American "white" culture that developed in a lot of the red states in the last two hundred years, which was very different from the English or European cultures that those settlers came from. I only have a TV watcher's understanding of what that culture entails, so I couldn't describe it to you much beyond guns and moonshine (and possibly segregationism), but I'm sure an actual red state voter could give you a more detailed and less-negative description that isn't just "keep the blacks and gays out of our town". At any rate, it's this culture that feels threatened by the other American way taking over and their way of life getting sidelined, and it's why you're a cuck if you just give up your way of life to the dirty liberals. Like, I'm not a fan of the white supremacist agenda either, but it pays to try to actually understand where these people are coming from without purposefully misrepresenting them. There is apparently a very large percentage of the population that sincerely believes this stuff, and who don't think of themselves as wanting to "brutalize their women" into submission.
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Feb 14, 2017 22:20
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The most offensive thing about "cuck" is that it's just not an appealing word in any way. It sounds absurd, like something a bunch of seven year old children would chant on a playground.
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Phenotype posted:I think it's more that there are two competing schools of thought on what "the American way" constitutes. It's "The American Way" vs "America, gently caress Yeah"
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Feb 14, 2017 22:38
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I wonder if the LWT writers might be playing the long-con on some of this fake news stuff. Maybe throwing around some attention grabbing headlines on fake websites in an effort to try and get some infowars or other crazy alt-right website to pick it up and get Trump interested in it. It would be their masterstroke if they could pull it off.
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Feb 14, 2017 22:54
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Azhais posted:It's "The American Way" vs "America, gently caress Yeah" I'd say it's more "The Way of America" vs "The American Way". Much of the whole Red State reaction is that the way things are supposed to be is totally changing. All those manufacturing jobs are gone/disappearing and the way it was so much better to be an average white dude is starting to change. Previous generations were fine with it because they say their prosperity growing, but now things are changing and everything they've ingrained in themselves as the way things are is being upended. Trump and the Republicans keep telling them that there's a way to get back to how things used to be. Democrats keep telling them that things need to change. Change is good for them in the long run and good for those who aren't them even in the short run, but they don't want to hear that.
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Phenotype posted:Like, I'm not a fan of the white supremacist agenda either, but it pays to try to actually understand where these people are coming from without purposefully misrepresenting them. There is apparently a very large percentage of the population that sincerely believes this stuff, and who don't think of themselves as wanting to "brutalize their women" into submission. I'm fully aware of what the alt-right philosophy on ethno-cultural American identity is. And of course they wouldn't self-describe their behavior towards women as "brutalizing." But they probably would say that feminism permits women to act out with carte blanche and that it's a man's duty to keep women submissive and appropriately feminine. The notion that women would sleep around unless her man keeps her in check is not something I'm making up, it's a part of that viewpoint. Clearly, the belief that women need to be controlled externally because they can't control themselves is a pervasively-held idea. A more controversial point: I don't actually think it does pay to accurately and sensitively understand the hearts and minds of all political viewpoints. Things like, "globalization has destabilized American manufacturing," or "center-left Democrats have no political interest in addressing that problem" are all valid complaints. "America is by and for white people" and "[Mexicans/muslims/immigrants] are a moral and economic plague on white society" is political scatology. They do not deserve a podium, and I do not care what their rationale is.
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Servaetes posted:Maybe comedians shouldn't lament Trump too much, it's basically another Bush versus picking around stupid things Republican leaders say. Plenty of material to work with
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Feb 14, 2017 23:40
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coyo7e posted:English, much? Hm? Was I not clear in how I phrased that? Single guy that says profoundly stupid things and making jokes about stupid things they say is a lot easier than combing through many, many people. Bush basically made Jon Stewart's and the Daily Show take off. Bush : Stewart :: Trump : Oliver
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Xealot posted:The notion that women would sleep around unless her man keeps her in check is not something I'm making up, it's a part of that viewpoint. Clearly, the belief that women need to be controlled externally because they can't control themselves is a pervasively-held idea. quote:A more controversial point: I don't actually think it does pay to accurately and sensitively understand the hearts and minds of all political viewpoints. Things like, "globalization has destabilized American manufacturing," or "center-left Democrats have no political interest in addressing that problem" are all valid complaints. Servaetes posted:Single guy that says profoundly stupid things and making jokes about stupid things they say is a lot easier than combing through many, many people. Bush basically made Jon Stewart's and the Daily Show take off. FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Feb 15, 2017 |
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Feb 15, 2017 00:35
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I love the idea of the fake Cowboy commercials, but was I the only one surprised when John said they'd be airing on Fox and CNN + MSNBC? I mean we know Trump gets his info from 24-hour cable news but I'm pretty sure he only watches one of those stations.
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Atomizer posted:I love the idea of the fake Cowboy commercials, but was I the only one surprised when John said they'd be airing on Fox and CNN + MSNBC? I mean we know Trump gets his info from 24-hour cable news but I'm pretty sure he only watches one of those stations. He regularly watches Morning Joe, which is msnbc, and has tweeted about watching Chris Cuomo on CNN.
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precision posted:I'm frankly amazed that Trump hasn't already tweeted about it. To be fair, events seem to have, uh, overtaken the joke. That said, if it ruins the only part of Trump's day that doesn't involve raking him over the coals for Flynn, then it's money well-spent.
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Atomizer posted:I love the idea of the fake Cowboy commercials, but was I the only one surprised when John said they'd be airing on Fox and CNN + MSNBC? I mean we know Trump gets his info from 24-hour cable news but I'm pretty sure he only watches one of those stations. in addition to morning joe like joepinetree mentioned, he has cnn on pretty much all day. he really obsesses over their coverage of him
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Servaetes posted:Hm? Was I not clear in how I phrased that? Yes, if there's one thing we'll look back on W and Trump's presidencies for, it's late night comedy hosts, not millions of corpses, widespread financial ruin, and the flaming wreckage of democracy.
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joepinetree posted:He regularly watches Morning Joe, which is msnbc, and has tweeted about watching Chris Cuomo on CNN. I still hate how the three channels poorly handled the leadup to the Iraq War. That was 14 years ago. The networks never really changed their habits after all this time and Trump gamed the system to the White House. That's why I have a hard time sympathizing for CNN when Trump cynically uses them as a foil for "the establishment media".
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IRQ posted:Yes, if there's one thing we'll look back on W and Trump's presidencies for, it's late night comedy hosts, not millions of corpses, widespread financial ruin, and the flaming wreckage of democracy. I miss when the President was just woefully incompetent rather than actively evil and probably illiterate.
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Feb 15, 2017 21:08
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precision posted:I miss when the President was just woefully incompetent rather than actively evil and probably illiterate. Not many people remember Ford and post here.
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I didn't think there were actually any more of those awesome cath cowboy ads after the first. The montage just seemed too silly and no amount of explaination is going to convince Trump on the existence of the clitoris anyway.
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Feb 15, 2017 21:30
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Gyges posted:Not many people remember Ford and post here. Jimmy Carter? 
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precision posted:Jimmy Carter? Nah, Jimmy was competent but too naive to have a chance. Dude thought telling people the truth was the way to go.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Do you know how when you were in junior high, there was that one *rear end in a top hat* kid who was ~cool~ simply because he always had new words that upset the teachers whenever he said them? That's basically why "cuck" is part of the political vocabulary now. "Cuck" is the new "human being" to 4channers and alt-right redditors, since "human being" has lost its pizazz and will get your subreddit closed for hate speech. to be fair, like most terrible things, people here were (over)using the term way before it caught on with the rest of the internet.
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Gyges posted:Nah, Jimmy was competent but too naive to have a chance. Dude thought telling people the truth was the way to go. Eh, a lot of things happened during Carter's term that weren't his fault, but his administration was pretty dysfunctional and his relationship with Congress was simply disastrous.
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Gyges posted:I'd say it's more "The Way of America" vs "The American Way". Much of the whole Red State reaction is that the way things are supposed to be is totally changing. All those manufacturing jobs are gone/disappearing and the way it was so much better to be an average white dude is starting to change. Previous generations were fine with it because they say their prosperity growing, but now things are changing and everything they've ingrained in themselves as the way things are is being upended. Pretty much, yeah. Nostalgia and tradition are things that are held in highest honor in American culture. Sticking to tradition results in things like still measuring things using the retarded rear end imperial system because "that's how we've always done it", and nostalgia is not so much based in reality as it is in (white male) baby boomers' rose-colored memories of the mid-20th century, when people could afford a house, education, and family on a single income, and it was both acceptable and encouraged to subjugate women and minorities. That, and reruns of Leave it to Beaver that romanticize all that "small town main street" bullshit. When nostalgia and tradition mix with a narrow worldview, you get resistance to change because "it was that way when I was a kid and I turned out fine" which gets applied to anything from beating your children / spouse, to bullying being considered acceptable, to racial / sexual discrimination, to excusing any number of crimes committed on the basis of "boys will be boys." Xealot posted:I'm fully aware of what the alt-right philosophy on ethno-cultural American identity is. And of course they wouldn't self-describe their behavior towards women as "brutalizing." But they probably would say that feminism permits women to act out with carte blanche and that it's a man's duty to keep women submissive and appropriately feminine. The notion that women would sleep around unless her man keeps her in check is not something I'm making up, it's a part of that viewpoint. Clearly, the belief that women need to be controlled externally because they can't control themselves is a pervasively-held idea. This is also reflected in the absurd notion that organized religion (read: christianity) is the only thing keeping the population from constantly murdering and raping like it was The Purge. quote:A more controversial point: I don't actually think it does pay to accurately and sensitively understand the hearts and minds of all political viewpoints. Things like, "globalization has destabilized American manufacturing," or "center-left Democrats have no political interest in addressing that problem" are all valid complaints. "America is by and for white people" and "[Mexicans/muslims/immigrants] are a moral and economic plague on white society" is political scatology. They do not deserve a podium, and I do not care what their rationale is. This shouldn't be controversial, but 20 years of Fox News pushing the idea that "all viewpoints, no matter how poorly researched or disconnected from reality, deserve equal time with legitimate journalism" along with real news outlets taking them seriously has brought things that this point. raditts fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Feb 16, 2017 |
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MiddleOne posted:Yeah, by European standards both the republicans and democrats are super right.
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raditts posted:to be fair, like most terrible things, people here were (over)using the term way before it caught on with the rest of the internet. First time I saw the phrase "Cuckservative" was on these very message boards!
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Inferior Third Season posted:People need to stop saying and thinking this. Europe has far right wing parties that are gaining strength, and they already have tons of seats in the individual countries' legislatures/parliaments, and lots of members in the European Parliament. They are joining governing coalitions and getting real concessions on things like immigration bans and nationalist policies and just generally making any non-white person's life miserable, so their influence and power is not negligible. And the other "mainstream" parties are falling over themselves to jump on the anti-immigrant and pro-racism train so that they don't get left behind. Yeah, it was odd seeing that comment. When I think "Austerity Measures" I think Europe. Then there is parties like Golden Dawn and the National Front which are of course European. Hell, Hitler is European.
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If the best thought you can articulate is "HITLER was European," seriously, get the gently caress out
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coyo7e posted:seriously, get the gently caress out Holy poo poo, it was punctuation for my main point. Sorry I didn't feel like typing some long winded "There is a long history of right wing fascism with roots dating back to the German Workers party of the 1920's, paving the way for rise of the Nazi Party who's ideologies have permeated over time and are felt by an increasing number of people in this post 9/11 world" type sentence in a thread titled Last Cuck Tonight.
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