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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
| Total: | 510 votes | ||
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Seaside Loafer posted:Its going to be 'whoops me or the accounts hosed up and everything is legal' but they should have got it 100% perfect first time so as not to cause a nonsense. Yeah, it's an own goal that the likes of the mail will jump in, and will probably weaken his sick owns in pmqs E: in episode 22 of dragonball z as it aired on toonami, goku used the kaio-ken to beat nappa. Namtab fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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Mar 6, 2017 00:09
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OwlFancier posted:I'm curious as to what Jez's explanation for the discrepancy is. Simplest answer is that he doesn't take the extra salary, maybe.
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Mar 6, 2017 00:10
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Namtab posted:He's a pensioner, mp pension probably. I agree it was stupid to gently caress it up. I still think the mistake is being unnecessarily demonised. It wasn't "oops forgot to put in all my £10 million+ of real estate in prime London held through offshore companies in my return, teehee" like it would be with most tories that are criticising this
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Mar 6, 2017 00:10
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TheHoodedClaw posted:Simplest answer is that he doesn't take the extra salary, maybe.
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Mar 6, 2017 00:11
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TheHoodedClaw posted:Simplest answer is that he doesn't take the extra salary, maybe. I was wondering that because I would have thought that leader of the opposition would be a labour party salary rather than a governmental one.
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Mar 6, 2017 00:11
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Pochoclo posted:I agree it was stupid to gently caress it up. I still think the mistake is being unnecessarily demonised. It wasn't "oops forgot to put in all my £10 million+ of real estate in prime London held through offshore companies in my return, teehee" like it would be with most tories that are criticising this what, you think the media might unnecessarily demonise something the leader of the labour party does?
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Mar 6, 2017 00:12
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Pochoclo posted:I agree it was stupid to gently caress it up. I still think the mistake is being unnecessarily demonised. It wasn't "oops forgot to put in all my £10 million+ of real estate in prime London held through offshore companies in my return, teehee" like it would be with most tories that are criticising this £37k is still a lot of money from my end of the scale, it's a big deal.
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Mar 6, 2017 00:14
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OwlFancier posted:I was wondering that because I would have thought that leader of the opposition would be a labour party salary rather than a governmental one. No it's a government one. Shadow Chief Whip gets paid more too, I think.
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Mar 6, 2017 00:16
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OwlFancier posted:I was wondering that because I would have thought that leader of the opposition would be a labour party salary rather than a governmental one. Why would you think this?
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Mar 6, 2017 00:16
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TheHoodedClaw posted:No it's a government one. Shadow Chief Whip gets paid more too, I think. Huh, odd, I know the PM gets more but I thought everyone else was just a sort of fiat position created by the government.
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Mar 6, 2017 00:17
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Namtab posted:£37k is still a lot of money from my end of the scale, it's a big deal. Corbyn Bad. Tories Worse.
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Mar 6, 2017 00:18
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OwlFancier posted:Huh, odd, I know the PM gets more but I thought everyone else was just a sort of fiat position created by the government. Page 3 of this pdf breaks down who gets more than basic MP salary https://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-information-office/m06.pdf
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Mar 6, 2017 00:23
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TheHoodedClaw posted:Page 3 of this pdf breaks down who gets more than basic MP salary I also apparently didn't know that the PM salary was paid on top of the MP salary.
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Mar 6, 2017 00:24
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Its like watching an episode of 'the thick of it'. Great big socialist rally/demonstration at the weekend in London, no fucker knows about it. Monday morning 'Corbyn lies about taxes!' all over the papers. Makes one feel rather pointless. I'm looking at getting out of the country for real.
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Mar 6, 2017 00:25
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You can even see the breakdown of how this one got cocked up. McDonnell released his tax return this morning in a planned move to put pressure on Hammond. Hammond cocks up his answer to it on Andrew Marr and ends up appearing flustered in his refusal to publish his. Corbyn's team decide to put more pressure on him and continue the news cycle by publishing his directly on his website and tweeting about it, but it wasn't planned so they rush it. They make the cock up and now the news cycle is lost and Corbyn becomes the story again. I like Corbyn's policies, I like him as a guy, but his teams unforced errors are infuriating.
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Mar 6, 2017 00:32
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OwlFancier posted:I also apparently didn't know that the PM salary was paid on top of the MP salary. The PM still has the same responsibilities as an ordinary MP towards their constituency, so it makes sense to do it that way. The loss of opportunity for a constituent of a PM to actually meet their MP is more than handsomely compensated by the heft that the constituency office gains - no council official will welcome a call from the PMs office about Mrs Miggins' blocked drain, after all.
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Mar 6, 2017 00:38
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Fangz posted:Philip Hammond vows UK will fight back if it gets bad Brexit deal Viagra-based Brexit.
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Mar 6, 2017 00:50
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Priapism Brexit.
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Mar 6, 2017 00:51
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Nice bathroom
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Mar 6, 2017 00:52
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Pissflaps posted:Nice bathroom What?
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Mar 6, 2017 00:55
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Fangz posted:Philip Hammond vows UK will fight back if it gets bad Brexit deal It's just so pointlessly antagonistic. I mean sure Britain will 'forge' new trade deals and everything but how is that not slinking away into a corner from the perspective of the EU, and more importantly what do they even care if there's not any sort of deal afterwards (as was the premise of that question). It's a really pathetic attempt to push the conversation towards being about strong Britain resisting evil foreign powers, which is just about the only thing the current batch of Tories do. Except for some occasional mild populism which doesn't hurt any vested interests too much. Shame that it seems to work really well so far. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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Mar 6, 2017 01:04
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It's all a response to the market research they did last summer where the Tories were seen as being directionless on Brexit and not committed. May tested some Churchill like language in one speech and she polled well after it, so they've ramped it up ever since in an attempt to make them appear like they have a plan beyond getting it done and dusted before the next election cycle. I can't find it now but there was an article about the shift in perception towards May's keywords in polling shifting towards "strong" and "in control" while her actual policies and actions have been anything but.
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Mar 6, 2017 01:19
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I just noticed the ironing board I bought today (I have become all I hate) was Made In Britain(tm). This is the kind of manufacturing excellence that is going to power us straight back to the top of the pile when we break the shackles of Brussels! (It's not caught fire yet but the much-vaunted hanger rail under it is both almost impossible to actually get a hanger onto and also means your freshly-ironed items are forever getting knocked onto the floor if you're right-handed)
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Mar 6, 2017 01:25
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According to the Guardian Corbyn employed an accountant this year (for the first time) and his tax was deducted via PAYE anyway. If that's correct then there's probably a decent explanation for why his return doesn't seem right, the only question is whether his team will be able to find out what it is and get it out there. EDIT: And of course it will reflect badly on him if the problem is either his accountant loving up or his team publishing the wrong page of the return.
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Mar 6, 2017 01:57
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I was wondering surely MPs should be on PAYE.
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Mar 6, 2017 02:00
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https://twitter.com/LOTOcomms/status/838549340947890177 That was relatively quick. Apparently it was counted as 'public office' rather than 'employment' and so wasn't on the page published.
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Mar 6, 2017 02:03
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Reminder - if any MPs post their tax return, check if they've included the additional information pages at the end, since that's where they have to declare any avoidance schemes they're in.
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Mar 6, 2017 07:30
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/LOTOcomms/status/838549340947890177 So, incompetence then.
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Mar 6, 2017 07:53
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Pissflaps posted:So, incompetence then. Actually the money is apparently included on the page shown under pensions and benefits. Presumably the first media person to look at his return was too dumb to realise he didn't get the full benefit in the tax year shown. Hes just taken a smaller pension than assumed on top of a 27k leadership benefit. Of course this information has not affected how most media outlets are reporting the story.
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Mar 6, 2017 08:40
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jabby posted:Actually the money is apparently included on the page shown under pensions and benefits. Presumably the first media person to look at his return was too dumb to realise he didn't get the full benefit in the tax year shown. Hes just taken a smaller pension than assumed on top of a 27k leadership benefit.
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Mar 6, 2017 08:43
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Does Jeremy fill these things in himself, or does he have an Accountant?
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Mar 6, 2017 08:48
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There is a DWP banner ad at the top of SA, how weird is that. Its goes here http://www.thepensionsregulator.gov.uk/dont-ignore-the-workplace-pension-duties
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Mar 6, 2017 08:49
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jabby posted:According to the Guardian Corbyn employed an accountant this year (for the first time) and his tax was deducted via PAYE anyway. If that's correct then there's probably a decent explanation for why his return doesn't seem right, the only question is whether his team will be able to find out what it is and get it out there. When you hire an accountant to do your tax return, the task of filling out the numbers is usually shuffled off on some stressed and overworked graduate trainee, who frankly knows as much about tax law as my cat. (Source: I worked in accountancy for a bit. Never again.)
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Mar 6, 2017 08:50
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jabby posted:Actually the money is apparently included on the page shown under pensions and benefits. Presumably the first media person to look at his return was too dumb to realise he didn't get the full benefit in the tax year shown. Hes just taken a smaller pension than assumed on top of a 27k leadership benefit. Why are you describing his income from being leader of the opposition as a 'benefit'?
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Mar 6, 2017 08:51
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VIRGIN HEAT posted:I want to show my appreciation for everyone who has made this a place he felt home in, even if he didn't post a lot. goddamnedtwisto posted:I just noticed the ironing board I bought today (I have become all I hate) was Made In Britain(tm). This is the kind of manufacturing excellence that is going to power us straight back to the top of the pile when we break the shackles of Brussels! I look forward to leaving the Permit Raj on the continent so we can once again make our ironing boards out of materials slightly more likely to leave tiny mineral spikes in our lungs.
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Mar 6, 2017 08:55
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Pissflaps posted:Why are you describing his income from being leader of the opposition as a 'benefit'? Because that's how it's been listed by his accountant? Who cares what it counts as, the point is the media are just making Corbyn the story (and are still doing so even after being corrected) despite his return being correct. Edit: although every headline now says he 'faces questions' rather than claiming he actually did anything wrong, which is a sure sign they all know the story is bollocks. jabby fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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Mar 6, 2017 08:58
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jabby posted:Because that's how it's been listed by his accountant? Who cares what it counts as, the point is the media are just making Corbyn the story (and are still doing so even after being corrected) despite his return being correct. You described it as a 'leadership benefit' though surely you understand this is wrong? Corbyn has made Corbyn the story by loving up his published tax return.
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Mar 6, 2017 09:06
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It's a legitimate place to put that information though, the issue was that the section wasn't broken down by the accountant.
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Mar 6, 2017 09:41
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Namtab posted:It's a legitimate place to put that information though, the issue was that the section wasn't broken down by the accountant. I'm not an accountant can you explain to me why it's legitimate to record part of your salary under the section headed 'uk pensions annuities and other rate benefits'? To me, as a layperson, that seems extremely nuanced.
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Mar 6, 2017 09:49
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Pissflaps posted:I'm not an accountant can you explain to me why it's legitimate to record part of your salary under the section headed 'uk pensions annuities and other rate benefits'? It's been a while but the general principle on a tax return is to record the information in the section you feel is most appropriate. Putting things in that section won't lower your tax burden so it just shows that corbyn/his accountant feels that the leadership money is an additional workplace benefit. E:as opposed to primary source of income. The important thing to note is that this is all above board. Namtab fucked around with this message at 10:01 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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