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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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jabby posted:Unfortunately we don't live in the universe where the PLP backed Corbyn from the start so speculation of how he would have done if they did is just that: speculation. I agree in as much as any party leader needs the support of their actual MPs to succeed. Electing one who doesn't and then imagining what might have happened if the MPs were different is pointless. E: Series 33 sees companions Amy and Rory replaced by Clara Paxman fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Guavanaut posted:Brexit could be the biggest charitable reparation to Africa and the Levant in history, the biggest problem is that it had to be wrapped in 'Turkmen!' and 'Our Sovreignity!' to get it passed. Im really glad you are seeing the good side in brexit but dont be down on how it was won. I think it's unrealistic to expect any referendum campiagn to present all the positions. As that thing I posted by Dominic Cummings showed, one big reason why Leave won was message discipline especially in the final stretch.
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Mar 7, 2017 20:29
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Breath Ray posted:Im really glad you are seeing the good side in brexit but dont be down on how it was won. I think it's unrealistic to expect any referendum campiagn to present all the positions. As that thing I posted by Dominic Cummings showed, one big reason why Leave won was message discipline especially in the final stretch. Unfortunately I can only imagine that the Tory CAP replacement will be just openly giving money to landowners while not even having environmental or biodiversity requirements.
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Mar 7, 2017 20:33
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ukle posted:Government has lost another amendment to the article 50 bill, this time its a serious one, requiring a proper veto and vote on the final deal. I mean, this is really kind of bad. Not one EU nation is going to give the UK favourable terms in negotiations if they know offering bad terms will get the whole Brexit thing voted against in parliament. It's completely hamstrung the government and the only thing worse for the prospects of the UK going solo in the future is a negotiating government now with no cards in their hand at all.
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Mar 7, 2017 20:36
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Rakosi posted:I mean, this is really kind of bad. Not one EU nation is going to give the UK favourable terms in negotiations if they know offering bad terms will get the whole Brexit thing voted against in parliament. It's completely hamstrung the government and the only thing worse for the prospects of the UK going solo in the future is a negotiating government now with no cards in their hand at all. Bad..... for the Tories! I'm anti-EU to be sure but I'm not blind to the realities of what leaving will do. Proponents of both camps, I am yours to woo!
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Mar 7, 2017 20:38
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Paxman posted:I agree in as much as any party leader needs the support of their actual MPs to succeed. Electing one who doesn't and then imagining what might have happened if the MPs were different is pointless. You can draw a bit of a distinction between a lack of support and active sabotage. We shouldn't pretend the PLP spoke out with principled objections to Corbyn's policies, they tried to character assassinate him, tried to force him to resign, and when that failed they ran a candidate against him that pretended to agree with all of his policies. They behaved disgracefully. Fundamentally though, I agree with you. Where we differ is that I think the PLP has to reflect the membership of the party rather than the PLP being given total control over the leadership and direction and the membership being honour-bound to fund them and do all the work at election time.
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Mar 7, 2017 20:38
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Showa Genroku Rakugo Shinju is the good poo poo. Immaculately-made story of a dying art-form set against the most turbulent bits of twentieth-century Japanese history. Recommended if you like theatre, historical fiction, sexy dudes and ladies, and/or well-made, good-looking drama.
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Mar 7, 2017 20:43
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The Labour Party membership voted for Corbyn twice though. Reflecting them would not be a good idea.
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Mar 7, 2017 20:43
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It's hard to circle the square of British Sovereignty whilst railing against our own parliamentarian system. Yes yes I know openly gay judges and all that, but I think lords sit closer to the Queen and rule britannia and all that.
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Mar 7, 2017 20:46
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Rakosi posted:I mean, this is really kind of bad. Not one EU nation is going to give the UK favourable terms in negotiations if they know offering bad terms will get the whole Brexit thing voted against in parliament. It's completely hamstrung the government and the only thing worse for the prospects of the UK going solo in the future is a negotiating government now with no cards in their hand at all. lol if we endup shamefacedly knocking the whole idea on the head in 2019.
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Mar 7, 2017 20:46
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All of the anime recs are bad. What are you into, what have you seen thus far, what are you looking for, kill la kill is garbage
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Mar 7, 2017 20:49
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Pistol_Pete posted:lol if we endup shamefacedly knocking the whole idea on the head in 2019. I think le pens election will make the idea ever more irresistible
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Mar 7, 2017 20:53
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JoJo has a well-dressed man violently murder an innocent plate of spaghetti so it's a good metaphor for Brexit imo.
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Mar 7, 2017 20:56
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The Deleter posted:JoJo has a well-dressed man violently murder an innocent plate of spaghetti so it's a good metaphor for Brexit imo. "Your next line is Brexit means Brexit!" "Brexit means Brex...nani!?"
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Mar 7, 2017 21:06
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 Tiocfaidh ár lá
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Mar 7, 2017 21:33
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ulster loyalism and the alt right is a match made in hell, also transgender agenda has a nice ring to it
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Mar 7, 2017 21:37
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TinTower posted:
If I wasn't already on the side of civil rights and Unification both, I certainly would support the IRA after reading this!
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Mar 7, 2017 21:38
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namesake posted:Bad..... for the Tories! There's only one camp itt, even Tess isn't representative of mainstream Leave.
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Mar 7, 2017 21:55
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namesake posted:The EU was founded on and principally developed as a functioning market, not a functioning state. That was the priority and everything else was bodged, rushed or not even done. This is why the EU is bad. Even if it had properly built a European state and replaced individual nationalism with European nationalism it would still be bad because it would be acting more like the USA under a Democrat president but actually bordering Russia, it wouldn't help the poor or the non-European any more than now. Sure, but it has the potential to solve these EU-wide problems in an effective way, instead of letting members struggle and enabling the right wing to exploit that. The way it was actually handled was almost as if the EU didn't exist at all, so I wouldn't really characterise it as a failure of the EU as a concept. A failure to act like an organisation, definitely, but the alternative without the EU would basically have been the same situation
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Mar 7, 2017 21:57
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Arlene really needs to get herself a better PR adviser. Comrade Cheggorsky posted:also transgender agenda has a nice ring to it It doesn't when you pronounce all your Rs.
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Mar 7, 2017 21:58
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feedmegin posted:There's only one camp itt, even Tess isn't representative of mainstream Leave. That was more of a general statement, but naturally I don't expect the mainstream Leavers to try and appeal to me. baka kaba posted:Sure, but it has the potential to solve these EU-wide problems in an effective way, instead of letting members struggle and enabling the right wing to exploit that. The way it was actually handled was almost as if the EU didn't exist at all, so I wouldn't really characterise it as a failure of the EU as a concept. A failure to act like an organisation, definitely, but the alternative without the EU would basically have been the same situation Eh, it's selfserving to assume that the alternative to the EU is 'nothing', even if that has been the most likely alternative. The reforms needed to the EU and Europe to make it a united area are so revolutionarily transformative that it's basically remaking the EU from the ground up anyway, let alone the changes needed to make it a leftwing united area. namesake fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Mar 7, 2017 21:58
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fridge corn posted:Why am I not surprised that there are so many earnest anime likers itt I only watch good British anime like Funnybones, Dangermouse, or Monkey Dust.
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Mar 7, 2017 22:07
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Tom Watson up to his old tricks, stepping in at the last minute to remove Rebecca Long-Bailey from the selection panel for the next by-election and shift the balance of power towards the right of the party. Can't have a Corbyn supporter elected as an MP.
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Mar 7, 2017 22:25
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Comrade Cheggorsky posted:ulster loyalism and the alt right is a match made in hell, also transgender agenda has a nice ring to it That's literally where Britain First came from.
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Mar 7, 2017 22:34
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Darth Walrus posted:That's literally where Britain First came from. OwlFancier posted:I invariably play a pretty good character in every RPG but I like ones that give you the option to be a dickhead because a game that railroads you to being nice doesn't really connect as well as games where you elect to be nice. That's sort of an aspect of the medium, that the player has agency, and what separates it from a linear narrative and facilitates its ability to communicate with the player. Guavanaut posted:There's an anti-radicalization CYOA where no matter what you do your character becomes more and more fash ... I think it's part of Saatchi's anti far right campaign. I can't find it anywhere now though. https://openyoureyestohate.com/ I also like how the URL appeares to be something-something-yes-to-hate at first reading.
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Mar 7, 2017 22:39
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jabby posted:Tom Watson up to his old tricks, stepping in at the last minute to remove Rebecca Long-Bailey from the selection panel for the next by-election and shift the balance of power towards the right of the party. Can't have a Corbyn supporter elected as an MP. It seems jeremy missed the meeting and with it the chance to vote in support of her?
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Mar 7, 2017 22:56
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namesake posted:Eh, it's selfserving to assume that the alternative to the EU is 'nothing', even if that has been the most likely alternative. The reforms needed to the EU and Europe to make it a united area are so revolutionarily transformative that it's basically remaking the EU from the ground up anyway, let alone the changes needed to make it a leftwing united area. Yeah I'm not saying the EU is ideal or that the way it is didn't contribute to its 'eh whatever' approach or anything, but like you say it would take a lot for an alternative to have become a more effective cohesive whole Just saying that I don't think their non-approach is something you can blame on the EU itself, since it likely would have panned out the same way with border states struggling and other countries taking as many or as few as they like. Unlike say its economic policies and their consequences which are absolutely down to the EU and its priorities
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Mar 7, 2017 23:04
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Breath Ray posted:It seems jeremy missed the meeting and with it the chance to vote in support of her? Good catch quote:“Jeremy was perfectly entitled to turn up and vote himself. You cannot and should not take these meetings for granted,” the MP said. Maybe he was having one of his famous days off?
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Mar 7, 2017 23:07
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Pissflaps posted:Good catch Or maybe he had other things to do, and naively assumed (as we're constantly told) that the right wing of the party aren't constantly working to undermine him with shenanigans? You missed the best part of the quote: "they're just bad losers" says Keith Vaz, smirking
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Mar 7, 2017 23:12
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baka kaba posted:Or maybe he had other things to do Then it can't be that important to him.
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Mar 7, 2017 23:15
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jam waits for no man
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Mar 7, 2017 23:20
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The fact that it's referred to as an 'ambush' implies that several people were involved in stacking this last-minute telephone meeting to get Vaz on the panel. But you guys are right, one of Corbyn's biggest flaws is that he doesn't relentlessly pursue power and is often content to leave things up to the 'process' seemingly without realising people are actively working against him. It's the same attitude that ended up with a bunch of new members being ousted from the last leadership election. He should be fighting every step.
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Mar 7, 2017 23:24
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Namtab posted:All of the anime recs are bad. What are you into, what have you seen thus far, what are you looking for, kill la kill is garbage Kill La Kill is actually great. It's not Imaishi's best buts it's still miles better than other stuff out there.
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Mar 7, 2017 23:34
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Igiari posted:Kill La Kill is actually great. It's not Imaishi's best buts it's still miles better than other stuff out there. Kill la Kill is absolutely not something you give out as a blind recommendation unless you know that the recommendee is likely to be OK with all the... stuff that happens in the second half (or, hell, a chunk of the stuff that happens in the first half). Might want to adjust your filters a little.
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Mar 7, 2017 23:49
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jabby posted:The fact that it's referred to as an 'ambush' implies that several people were involved in stacking this last-minute telephone meeting to get Vaz on the panel. Fancy being so disorganised slash lazy slash complacent that you miss a telephone meeting that determines the leader of your greatest regional asset. He literally could have phoned it in!
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Mar 8, 2017 00:01
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Namtab posted:All of the anime recs are bad. What are you into, what have you seen thus far, what are you looking for, kill la kill is garbage Do not anime shame unless someone tells you to watch Naruto.
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Mar 8, 2017 00:07
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Pistol_Pete posted:lol if we endup shamefacedly knocking the whole idea on the head in 2019. This is currently the best-case scenario. "Sorry everyone, rush of blood and all that"
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Mar 8, 2017 00:14
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jabby posted:Tom Watson up to his old tricks, stepping in at the last minute to remove Rebecca Long-Bailey from the selection panel for the next by-election and shift the balance of power towards the right of the party. Can't have a Corbyn supporter elected as an MP. That article is full of such utter bollocks it can only be accurate. You have Labour sources saying that they didn't want Corbyn selecting 'another White Man' to run, alongside Center/Center-Right supporters promoting an older 'White Man' who's the current PCC and: quote:everyone's second choice and that's not a bad place to be As if picking someone literally no-one thinks is a prime candidate is a winning strategy. 
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Mar 8, 2017 00:19
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Igiari posted:Kill La Kill is actually great. It's not Imaishi's best buts it's still miles better than other stuff out there. While it's hyperkinetic animation style is good, it's absolutely not something for new entries to the medium for many reasons, 4 second butt slapping being among them. If you're going to rec a gainax/trigger work then I can think of at least three that are more suitable for people who don't watch many anims.
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Namtab posted:While it's hyperkinetic animation style is good, it's absolutely not something for new entries to the medium for many reasons, 4 second butt slapping being among them. If you're going to rec a gainax/trigger work then I can think of at least three that are more suitable for people who don't watch many anims.
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