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Zahgaegun posted:Bodyweight x 1.5 is a solid squat (204#?) and BWx2 (272#) is always impressive. My 2xBW squat was not impressive, and it won't be when I stop being a fat injured piece of poo poo and do it again either.
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sassassin posted:Do you plan to stay at that weight? I've never weighed more than 140, though not for lack of trying. Ideally I'd like to pack on at least ten more pounds. Zahgaegun posted:Bodyweight x 1.5 is a solid squat (204#?) and BWx2 (272#) is always impressive. I wanted to get two 45lb plates on each side eventually, but I like the sound of 205ish as a more immediate goal. Thanks!
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Batterypowered7 posted:I've never weighed more than 140, though not for lack of trying. Ideally I'd like to pack on at least ten more pounds. The trick is to do it all in one go, three or four weeks of determined eating. I put on a stone the first December after I started lifting. Your appetite adjusts and you can never lose weight again, no matter how hard you try.
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Mar 7, 2017 16:36
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Here http://www.strongerbyscience.com/realistic-training-goals/
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lol self reporting quote:The men training for less than 3 months, on average, benched 85kg (185-190lbs)
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Teikanmi posted:I know a woman who bought almost $1000 worth of les mills gear just to score 2 tickets to go to one of these weird shows Someone I work with was going to quit her job so she could move to Las Vegas and "work" for Les Mills in what was totally not a pyramid scheme Apparently her parents managed to talk her down from this thankfully
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Sounds like you should've let her go, op.
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Batterypowered7 posted:What's a good squatting goal for a short, small man (5'8", 136lb)? I'm currently squatting 185 but I'm always wary of my knees (broken meniscus in both). Squat more weight until your knees lock. Get meniscus repair. Heal. Squat more.
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CountingCrows posted:lol self reporting  matches my experience and what I've seen in people who train correctlyJust focus on how much monthly progress you can make Dum Cumpster fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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people who train between three and six months squat 300 pounds on average? Since I know a zillion people who train for six months or more and do NOT squat 300 pounds, there should be at least some who train for less than six months and then squat 400 pounds. This might be different in the USA where everyone lifts in high school, but here in Europe the average decent squat in my gym is not even 300 pounds, more likely something like 220 pounds. And lol, people who train between three and six months on _average_ deadlift 365 pounds? I know the people in my gym who deadlift 160kg+ and they are not the majority. Maybe my gym sucks and everyone in the USA is strong as hell, but then again most people in the USA look fat to me so maybe. At least my gym has showers tho Edit: women apparently deadlift on average 140kg if they train for a while where are these women? Haramstufe Rot fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Mar 7, 2017 20:47
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caps on caps on caps posted:people who train between three and six months squat 300 pounds on average? The numbers might make sense if you're talking about otherwise fit people who just hadn't performed the relevant lifts before but certainly not for people who start untrained.
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caps on caps on caps posted:This might be different in the USA where everyone lifts in high school, but here in Europe the average decent squat in my gym is not even 300 pounds, more likely something like 220 pounds. I was untrained and literally coming off of 3 years of bedridden+open heart surgery 3 months prior to lifting. I had to train my rear end off for that bench. My max was like 85-95lbs when I started, and I would stall at 5rms of 80lbs, 95lbs, and everything after. I also was on a caloric deficit the entire time. Untrained to the point of, I couldn't do a push up until 3 months into lifting. I missed around 1 month out of the 6 of deadlifting and around 2-2.5 of squatting due to stupid rear end injuries from outside of the gym. Kind of like right now, I'm missing almost 3 months of squats/deadlifts due to an injury shoveling snow. I'm god-tier at hurting myself doing everyday poo poo. I kind of believe lots of people can hit those numbers. Especially with a decent physical background. People with any physical labor job or lots of outdoor activities are going to have a pretty big edge. There are also lots of people who dick around at the gym and count "starting" lifting as when they start a structured powerlifting program. My physical background was pure poo poo, but I technically have decent proportions for most lifts and a large frame for my height which probably closed the gap especially on deadlift. Khorne fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Numbers sound pretty reasonable for people who consistently lift 3+ times a week and eat/sleep correctly. Those are honestly pretty rare though.
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caps on caps on caps posted:people who train between three and six months squat 300 pounds on average? This isn't just anyone who lifts. It's someone who trains with the right program. It's a survey of people who use his programs, which are some of the best out there. They are numbers to shoot for that are possible with ideal training.
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Also are these numbers 5RM or 1RM? That makes a pretty big difference.
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Mar 7, 2017 21:13
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MikeCrotch posted:Also are these numbers 5RM or 1RM? That makes a pretty big difference. Khorne fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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MikeCrotch posted:Also are these numbers 5RM or 1RM? That makes a pretty big difference. Why would they be 5RM?
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it takes most people forever just to get the mechanics of the deadlift safely down pat lol and yet here they are magically pulling 165kg in a mere few months just lolcaps on caps on caps posted:Edit: women apparently deadlift on average 140kg if they train for a while they're online and trolling https://www.strongerbyscience.com for lulz
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Mar 7, 2017 23:05
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Yet again goons mad women can out perform them.
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Dum Cumpster posted:Yet again goons mad women can out perform them. Or just pointing out that those numbers should be taken with a heaping of salt, idk
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how the gently caress does someone go from untrained to deadlifting nearly 3 plate in 6 months i refuse to believe i am that much weaker than normal edit: untrained squat of 2 plate??? really????
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It's almost like it's bullshit... hmmmm.
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Mar 7, 2017 23:42
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Those numbers are accurate and fine if you account for a self-selecting population of people who take it seriously. If your ego is bruised by those numbers it's because it should be. You can do better
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Yeah, but advertising it as "look, everyone can do the same" makes it ... bullshit.
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Time posted:Those numbers are accurate and fine if you account for a self-selecting population of people who take it seriously. If your ego is bruised by those numbers it's because it should be. You can do better bruh i weighed 130 pounds the first time i picked up a barbell lol totally squatting x2 bw immediatly
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Time posted:Those numbers are accurate and fine if you account for a self-selecting population of people who take it seriously. If your ego is bruised by those numbers it's because it should be. You can do better Yup Tolkien minority posted:how the gently caress does someone go from untrained to deadlifting nearly 3 plate in 6 months i refuse to believe i am that much weaker than normal As it says right above that he agrees the untrained numbers are high. On 9/17/2001 I pulled 415 @ 176, about a year into deadlifting with a summer off. I pulled 500 for the first time on 1/28/2002 at 191lbs. All my friends lifting with me were making similar progress.
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Tolkien minority posted:bruh i weighed 130 pounds the first time i picked up a barbell lol totally squatting x2 bw immediatly You could get up to it in under a year easily. Evidence: the literally dozen people in my gym who do it every year
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Time posted:You could get up to it in under a year easily. Evidence: the literally dozen people in my gym who do it every year I did and have, I was referring to the "untrained" 2 plate squat and it took a shitload of time, effort and food to do it.
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of course those numbers are achievable you idiots the problem is that he surveyed 1800 randos and wrote an article based on the idea that those numbers were the average may I suggest considering the athletic appearance and prowess of your average gym lifter lmao
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Tolkien minority posted:I did and have, I was referring to the "untrained" 2 plate squat and it took a shitload of time, effort and food to do it. The guy points out too that he massaged the data to remove people who noticeably responded in incorrect units, and presents the data on a website where I believe he is also selling fitness products. I'm not sure there is a redder flag that statistics should not be trusted short of admitting that you invented them.
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Tolkien minority posted:how the gently caress does someone go from untrained to deadlifting nearly 3 plate in 6 months i refuse to believe i am that much weaker than normal Eldred posted:The guy points out too that he massaged the data to remove people who noticeably responded in incorrect units, and presents the data on a website where I believe he is also selling fitness products. I'm not sure there is a redder flag that statistics should not be trusted short of admitting that you invented them. I agree it isn't "average". But if you look at most people at the gym do they actually train? I've seen pretty much no one on a decent program except one guy who only shows up once every two weeks. Khorne fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Mar 8, 2017 |
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Khorne posted:Nothing he sells benefits from that article. Dum Cumpster posted:It's a survey of people who use his programs 
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You're not very smart.
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lol you can't even argue in good faith. just ad hominem bullshit
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How would results his clients got before becoming his clients help his sales?
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Dum Cumpster posted:How would results his clients got before becoming his clients help his sales? It doesn't say the survey was from before they were his clients, unless he describes the survey methodology elsewhere. For what it's worth I'm not attacking you man, I've always liked your TFLC threads. I'm just not sure I trust this article on face value. quote:Last year, I sent out a survey (which I still need to finish analyzing; I haven’t forgotten about it guys!) to get some normative data to work with. More than 1,800 people responded, so it’s a very robust data set. One drawback is that some people reported their lifts in pounds when the survey specifically asked for kilos, but they were a very small minority, and I’ve spent a lot of time combing through all the answers and removing or editing all instances where the units were definitely wrong or very likely wrong.
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Dum Cumpster posted:How would results his clients got before becoming his clients help his sales? It doesn't, if that's the case. But he can theoretically publish a bunch of numbers in an article to attract new clientele, right? I generally like Greg Nuckols and his website and tbh I doubt this is actually a sales pitch article. That said, Greg Nuckols is outta his goddamn mind posted:The difference in strength per month of training (not exactly rates of progress since these data were cross-sectional, but probably a good proxy) seem about right based on what I’ve seen from people who manage their own training, but they’re considerably smaller than you could expect if you hired a competent coach early in your lifting career. just lmao. really dude?  In any case this is in no way shape or form a controlled study, and there's no method to determine the reliability of the results.
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Yeah, we probably need a peer reviewed study to show that having someone that knows what they're doing helping you from the start will make you better at something.Eldred posted:It doesn't say the survey was from before they were his clients, unless he describes the survey methodology elsewhere. I'm asking how can he be responsible for what someone who's been lifting for 10 years said they lifted in their first year of lifting? He hasn't been a coach that long.
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Dum Cumpster posted:Yeah, we probably need a peer reviewed study to show that having someone that knows what they're doing helping you from the start will make you better at something. uhh that's not my point. He's implying that the average rate of progress across the board seems low to him. "What these slacker chicks that DL 140kg on the reg need is a coach!" just lmao
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