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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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Mar 8, 2017 14:39
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Pissflaps posted:Do you have evidence to support this claim? A moments thought and you might've remembered that 2015 was a General Election year and the membership didn't surge until more than halfway through the year. The 'Standard Rate' for membership is £48 (£4/month) so 500k members would mean about £24m, so more than they managed to raise in donations even for a General Election.
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Mar 8, 2017 14:48
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Lord of the Llamas posted:A moments thought and you might've remembered that 2015 was a General Election year and the membership didn't surge until more than halfway through the year. Do you have evidence that labour's income is mostly derived from membership fees, rather than an assumption that half a million members are paying the standard rate?
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Mar 8, 2017 14:51
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Ober you've outdone yourself.
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Mar 8, 2017 14:57
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Lord of the Llamas posted:A moments thought and you might've remembered that 2015 was a General Election year and the membership didn't surge until more than halfway through the year.
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Mar 8, 2017 15:02
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You can pay as much as you want, they just make recommendations. Lowest is £1 a month afaik.
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Mar 8, 2017 15:04
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OwlFancier posted:You can pay as much as you want, they just make recommendations. Lowest is £1 a month afaik. Its £3 month minimum, only less if you are a student or trade union member.
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Mar 8, 2017 15:09
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You can pay the £1/month fee if you're under 27. e: I just double checked this and they've put up all the fees by £1. The standard rate is £4, £3 if you're a student, and £2 if you're under 27, retired, unemployed, work less than 16 hours a week or a trade union member e2: The £3 rate is per year, not per month and also applies to the armed forces. GEORGE W BUSHI fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Mar 8, 2017 |
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Mar 8, 2017 15:14
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Pissflaps posted:Do you have evidence that labour's income is mostly derived from membership fees, rather than an assumption that half a million members are paying the standard rate? Do you have any evidence that the average Labour member pays significantly less than the standard rate? I pay double.
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Mar 8, 2017 15:14
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MikeCrotch posted:Its £3 month minimum, only less if you are a student or trade union member. https://join.labour.org.uk/ £2 a month if you are: 20-26 years old, or a Union member, or work under 16 hours a week. Of course one of the reasons to give union members a discount is that most of the registered donations actually come from Trade unions so they're paying some membership by proxy anyway. The fact is that Labour is currently funded through mass membership of the party with mass membership of trade unions coming a close second. This is not true of any of the other political parties.
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Mar 8, 2017 15:19
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Do you have any evidence that the average Labour member pays significantly less than the standard rate? I pay double. I've provided the latest accounts I can find showing that membership accounted for 20% of labour Party income, compared to the 50%+ suggested in the post I replied to. So far you've got the fact that you pay £8 a month. Lord of the Llamas posted:The fact is that Labour is currently funded through mass membership of the party with mass membership of trade unions coming a close second. No. The fact is that Labour is part funded through membership fees, which I expect applies to all major political parties.
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Mar 8, 2017 15:21
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This budget is so hilarious and sad. "It was unfair that permanent employees were paying more NI than the self-employed" You don't say... maybe... just maybe... it's unfair that the poor pay more than the rich??? Oh wait, no, wouldn't do to anger the donors, nevermind.
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Mar 8, 2017 15:21
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Another good one
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Mar 8, 2017 15:22
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Namtab posted:Nah it's poo poo mate. Even taking away the objectionable content it's still poorly paced and the main character goes through the exact same dilemma at least 3 times. Without wanting to poo poo up he thread any more than this: I don't even necessarily disagree with these points (I think the pacing is fairly alright except for the total drag in the middle) but it's still an accessible and enjoyable exploration of the dangers of social Darwinism, capitalism and fascism. I'm much less convinced by the fan service necessity. I know some (I think including SA YouTube star Hbomberguy) have said it's a satire on fan service, and while I can sort of see that, ultimately I reckon it's trying to have its cheesecake and eat it too, and I remember being weirded out by it on my first viewing. I sort of see KLK as a good but flawed mix of Imaishi's previous two shows, TTGL and PSwG. Anyway, sorry to everyone else for making GBS threads up the thread during budget and that, I only just got the chance e to go through these and don't have PMs.
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Mar 8, 2017 15:26
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"£250m in funding for Scottish Government, £200 for Welsh Government and £120m for Northern Ireland Executive" OMG they've really shafted wales this time.
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Mar 8, 2017 15:38
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there is a whole other subforum for discussing your animated drawings to replace womenPochoclo posted:This budget is so hilarious and sad. "It was unfair that permanent employees were paying more NI than the self-employed" Pissflaps posted:Why is that a shafting for Wales isn't it slightly more per head than Scotland?
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Mar 8, 2017 15:41
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Why is that a shafting for Wales isn't it slightly more per head than Scotland?
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Mar 8, 2017 15:41
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Paxman posted:I like Ghost in the Shell (Standalone and Arise and even Innocence) and Ergo Proxy, but not schoolgirls, rape or people who turn into monsters for no apparent reason. What do I watch? LTTP but this might help, as 99% of anime is trash: Good Cyberpunk stuff: Psycho Pass (first season only) Texhnolyze (criminally underwatched/rated) BLAME! is out soon on Netflix Good in general stuff: Cowboy Bebop Samurai Champloo literally anything by Satoshi Kon, but start off with Tokyo Godfathers, Paprika or Paranoia Agent Monster Everything Ghibli
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Mar 8, 2017 15:42
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Pissflaps posted:Why is that a shafting for Wales isn't it slightly more per head than Scotland? It's a joke about leaving the 'm' off so it looks like we're only getting £200.
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Mar 8, 2017 15:42
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Pissflaps posted:Why is that a shafting for Wales isn't it slightly more per head than Scotland? Because it says £200 & not £200m. Regarde Aduck is aware it is a typo, he was making a joke about it.
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Mar 8, 2017 15:43
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Sorry. I now feel it wasn't worth it.
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Mar 8, 2017 15:44
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Regarde Aduck posted:Sorry. I now feel it wasn't worth it. It was better than anime chat.
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Mar 8, 2017 15:46
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Pissflaps posted:I've provided the latest accounts I can find showing that membership accounted for 20% of labour Party income, compared to the 50%+ suggested in the post I replied to. So the fact that the Labour party membership has tripled in size since the 2015 GE doesn't count as valid information to you? Well ok then.
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Mar 8, 2017 15:46
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can anyone recommend some good dubbed animes rather tahn subbed tia
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Mar 8, 2017 15:48
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Lord of the Llamas posted:So the fact that the Labour party membership has tripled in size since the 2015 GE doesn't count as valid information to you? No. When determining if labour is mostly funded by its membership what counts is how much they're paying and what proportion of labour's overall income that represents. Also do labour's membership figures include those registered supporters that paid a one off fee for the right to vote in the leadership elections? Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Mar 8, 2017 |
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Mar 8, 2017 15:50
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Certainly in my constituency the membership boost has led to the CLP making a profit month to month before other forms of fundraising so...
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Mar 8, 2017 15:52
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Looke posted:can anyone recommend some good dubbed animes rather tahn subbed Cromartie High School.
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Mar 8, 2017 15:52
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MikeCrotch posted:Certainly in my constituency the membership boost has led to the CLP making a profit month to month before other forms of fundraising so... Do CLP's receive funding directly from local labour members?
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Mar 8, 2017 15:54
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LemonDrizzle posted:The NI changes are actually progressive - they reduce the burden on self-employed workers earning <£50k while increasing it on those earning more. Since they also do bring different employment types closer to parity in terms of taxation, I'm really not seeing any good reason to object to them. Like, yes, it sucks if you were self-employed and are losing some of your favourable tax treatment but you're still getting a better deal than regular employees, so... I didn't read that - reporting on the actual budget's effects seems to be terrible. I was commenting on the quoted comment though. I guess it's fine as long as it's progressive. I still think large accumulations of wealth and high incomes should be taxed more aggressively. I'm happy to pay more myself if it means they tax capital gains on the order of my income as if it was income. EDIT: 
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Mar 8, 2017 15:54
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https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/839492138391994368 Is this the fault of the media, the PLP or El Niño?
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Mar 8, 2017 16:12
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I love NewsThump  
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Mar 8, 2017 16:12
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Pissflaps posted:No. When determining if labour is mostly funded by its membership what counts is how much they're paying and what proportion of labour's overall income that represents. No it doesn't include registered supporters or affiliated supporters because they're not members. The NEC report in January gave the figure of 540,000 members. We know how much the party got in donations in 2016 (~£16m) and we know how many members they had. Even if you assumed everyone was on the £2/month rate (which is obviously not true) then that's ~£13m, so you only need 23% of the membership to pay the full £4/month rate to exceed the £16m figure. Given that most members are not eligible for that rate (we're all middle class champagne socialists remember) then it's as close to certain as you can get that in 2016 membership fees exceeded donations. No other political party can come close to claiming anything like this. This is doubly true when you consider that union donations are funded through mass membership of the unions. Of course it's not true that Labour a majority of Labour income is from membership fees because the amount Labour gets in Short money is in the same magnitude as the membership fees and donations; but it's true that as of 2016 a plurality of its income is from membership. Lord of the Llamas fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Mar 8, 2017 |
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Mar 8, 2017 16:13
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Guavanaut posted:I wonder how much of that is deliberate large scale business fraud and how much is the cumulative effect of 3/4 of Chinese eBay/AliExpress/DX sellers valuing everything at $5 on the form. Considering the other member state have successfully tackled the problem according to the linked article, I don't think it's an unfeasible "death of a thousand cuts" situation.
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Mar 8, 2017 16:19
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Lord of the Llamas posted:No it doesn't include registered supporters or affiliated supporters because they're not members. The NEC report in January gave the figure of 540,000 members. I'll have to take your word for this as you haven't provided a link to the report.
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Mar 8, 2017 16:19
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Pissflaps posted:I'll have to take your word for this as you haven't provided a link to the report. I'm sorry that you don't know how to use an internet search engine.
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Mar 8, 2017 16:21
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What is the point of this dumb argument.
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Mar 8, 2017 16:22
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Lord of the Llamas posted:I'm sorry that you don't know how to use an internet search engine. You weren't able to find it either, were you.
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Mar 8, 2017 16:23
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why do you keep arguing with him does nobody learn their lesson
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lol
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