Star Citizen: Death of a Space Thread?

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Kosumo: Apr 9, 2016

Ok, I can't get the image I have to load onto imgur but if I could you would see the RSI funding graph showing $190 of pledge money for the hour '6' - at that level, they could make more money that hour by using a few of their staff and the coffee machine to sell drinks on the street ..... being CIG thought, I don't know if I would risk getting a hot drink from them, I don't think even the best spill lid would be able to deal with the kentic energy in the cup when you shuddely snap into a T-pose. (or any of the many other problems that only CIG could encounter in the hot drink business)

# ? Mar 13, 2017 11:37

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# ? May 15, 2024 17:52

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

They need a big sale or a patch, 24th probably.

# ? Mar 13, 2017 11:43

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

# ? Mar 13, 2017 12:18

Sandweed: Sep 7, 2006; All your friends are me.

So jealous, he even backed SC for 250$.

# ? Mar 13, 2017 12:34

TrustmeImLegit: Jan 14, 2017; by FactsAreUseless

AP posted:

They need a big sale or a patch, 24th probably.

Ben said theres a new concept sale soon.

# ? Mar 13, 2017 12:58

Chalks: Sep 30, 2009

AP posted:

They need a big sale or a patch, 24th probably.

They need to make around $60k per day every day just to pay their employee salaries. They don't just need a new sale, they need to double their baseline.

# ? Mar 13, 2017 13:02

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

Chalks posted:

They need to make around $60k per day every day just to pay their employee salaries. They don't just need a new sale, they need to double their baseline.

Most of the income is from sales, the daily figures between sales are very important but it's the sales that generate hype, break number records and hence drive the daily figure. Even assuming they inflate the figure from other income sources, for years they have been very careful not to let the daily drift below 30k (it used to be 20k), I assume because backers will notice which will raise doubts and impact funding.

This keeps Karl and whales like him content.

Karl thinks funding will decline slowly, that's not how bubbles work. Assuming no decent playable content, which there never will be in my opinion, CIG are always one bad sale away from a funding crisis.

# ? Mar 13, 2017 13:19

HoneyBakedMAN: Oct 26, 2007; Sliced for babewiches

trucutru posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbNh8Z-ILcI

watch that and come back to tell me again it's easy.

after the

speech, this actually looks pretty well done to me.

# ? Mar 13, 2017 13:41

Jerry Nitz: Mar 3, 2013

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# ? Mar 13, 2017 13:50

TrustmeImLegit: Jan 14, 2017; by FactsAreUseless

Ship collecting is "In" right now.

# ? Mar 13, 2017 13:53

Kosumo: Apr 9, 2016

It's a bit paradoxical really.

CIG is still in need of a heap more cash (maybe a couple of hundred million) be it from crowd funding, investors or loans to finish this project (SC/SQ42).

For all the people, time and money they have had to now, they have relatively little to show for it.

The project has been plagued by poor management and mis-management from the start.

Big part of the problem was scoop creep, which, along with the poor management was due to the initial funding success.

The more money they got, the even more money they need.

It's not like no one ever pointed this out.

It's just amazing how like AP says, all it will take is that one sale that they only get $400k when they where expecting $1.2 million and all the cards will come down.

While I don't think Chris will ever see space court over this, with his misuse of funds, deceptive practices and general mismanagement, it would be nice to think he will have to answer to, and be judged one day.

# ? Mar 13, 2017 13:54

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# ? Mar 13, 2017 13:55

Lladre: Jun 28, 2011; Soiled Meat

MilesK posted:

I would guess that's just their revolutionary physics grid system, which AFAIK has been jittering randomly since July 2015

Or maybe the front of the spaceship is just a static masked image that bobs around with movement, the same as the helmet graphic.

They're all valid theories in the most openly developed game ever.

The spaceship becomes your avatar when you sit in the pilot seat. You don't get head bob since you are in no-clip mode (I wonder if that is the reason. They can't get the ship to stop head bobbing).

# ? Mar 13, 2017 13:56

orcane: Jun 13, 2012; Fun Shoe

Kosumo posted:

While I don't think Chris will ever see space court over this, with his misuse of funds, deceptive practices and general mismanagement, it would be nice to think he will have to answer to, and be judged one day.

Molyneux was called a liar and was derided by various people after the Godus and Curiosity fiasco. I can only hope Roberts at least faces the same and more once Scam Citizen collapses (or releases as an unfinished shitshow, really like Godus I guess). Because you have to be a special kind of incompetent to waste close to 150 million on a video game, on top of a massive liar for managing to keep people spending for so long.

# ? Mar 13, 2017 14:41

Lladre: Jun 28, 2011; Soiled Meat

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# ? Mar 13, 2017 14:49

Chalks: Sep 30, 2009

orcane posted:

Molyneux was called a liar and was derided by various people after the Godus and Curiosity fiasco. I can only hope Roberts at least faces the same and more once Scam Citizen collapses (or releases as an unfinished shitshow, really like Godus I guess). Because you have to be a special kind of incompetent to waste close to 150 million on a video game, on top of a massive liar for managing to keep people spending for so long.

One major difference is that CR has actually tried to meet his ludicrous promises where as Godus was just a cynical pack of lies propping up an extremely lovely clicking minigame.

When Star Citizen collapses it'll be because an idiot thought he was smarter than everyone else and over-reached really really badly. I don't know how it'll be reported but I don't think it'll be too harsh. I expect to see lots of articles about "lessons learnt from the Star Citizen failure" and not so many "Check out this dumb rear end in a top hat and the millions of dollars of other people's money he wasted". We'll see.

Lladre posted:

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# ? Mar 13, 2017 14:49

orcane: Jun 13, 2012; Fun Shoe

Lessons learnt from Star Citizen will be 101% the same as Lessons learnt from Freelancer and Lessons learnt from Wing Commander the Movie. This man is an idiot immune to criticism.

# ? Mar 13, 2017 15:08

tooterfish: Jul 13, 2013

The lesson learnt from Star Citizen will be "if you exploit a legal grey area to blatantly lie to desperate people with poor impulse control you can earn millions."

I think televangelists beat Chris to the punch on this by decades though. As always, he's so far behind the pack he thinks he's in the front.

# ? Mar 13, 2017 15:14

Virtual Captain: Feb 20, 2017; Archive Priest of the Stimperial Order

Star Citizen Good, in all things forevermore. Amen.

"Unfortunately, you have to perform this fix every time you launch the game"

# ? Mar 13, 2017 15:15

ManofManyAliases: Mar 21, 2016; ToastOfManySmarts

Can't post for 3 hours!

tooterfish posted:

The lesson learnt from Star Citizen will be "if you exploit a legal grey area to blatantly lie to desperate people with poor impulse control you can earn millions."

I think televangelists beat Chris to the punch on this by decades though. As always, he's so far behind the pack he thinks he's in the front.

It's a 'legal grey area' now. Got it. But I thought many of you assumed what they were doing was illegal/fraudulent?
:momashrug:

# ? Mar 13, 2017 15:18

Harold Stassen: Jan 24, 2016

I'm the guy who gets notifications every time the word doxx appears itt

now signing my posts with it, yw

Sincerely,
Doxxtor Strangelove

# ? Mar 13, 2017 15:18

Morningwoodpecker: Jan 17, 2016; I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS POSSIBLE FOR SOMEONE TO BE THIS STUPID

BUT HERE YOU ARE

ManofManyAliases posted:

It's a 'legal grey area' now. Got it. But I thought many of you assumed what they were doing was illegal/fraudulent?
:momashrug:

It's fraud if you set out deliberately to do it, if it happened because you are incredibly inept and made your unqualified tickle porn star secret wife marketing fuehrer then you're just an idiot.

# ? Mar 13, 2017 15:22

Tijuana Bibliophile: Dec 30, 2008; Scratchmo

MilesK posted:

http://i.imgur.com/tJat0fN.gifv

Stop greasing up the monitor grampaw

# ? Mar 13, 2017 15:26

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

ManofManyAliases posted:

It's a 'legal grey area' now. Got it. But I thought many of you assumed what they were doing was illegal/fraudulent?
:momashrug:

Nope, a lot of people told you Citizens were entitled to refunds as CIG weren't keeping to their part of the contract/agreement, release dates etc.

You argued for pages how the CIG terms of service was cast iron and people couldn't get refunds, then people tested CIG on refunds by pushing it to the stage when a court might actually get to rule on it and suddenly CIG is refunding everyone who asks.

Don't let me stop you though if you are going to fight this legal battle again, last time was hilarious, love your work, big fan.

# ? Mar 13, 2017 15:30

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

Also get a refund.

# ? Mar 13, 2017 15:31

Vilgefartz: Apr 29, 2013; Good ideas 4 free; Fun Shoe

Sappo569 posted:

What made you refund so long ago

That was the hay day of their bullshit and it almost sounded plausible

edit: i remember now i sold them on reddit for twice what i paid for them.

Vilgefartz fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Mar 13, 2017

# ? Mar 13, 2017 15:34

Tijuana Bibliophile: Dec 30, 2008; Scratchmo

ManofManyAliases posted:

It's a 'legal grey area' now. Got it. But I thought many of you assumed what they were doing was illegal/fraudulent?
:momashrug:

Clearly, by use of this weapons-grade pedantry, you have disarmed any and all evidence that Star Citizen won't get made.

# ? Mar 13, 2017 15:36

Harold Stassen: Jan 24, 2016

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

Clearly, by use of this weapons-grade pedantry, you have disarmed any and all evidence that you are not Chris Roberts

# ? Mar 13, 2017 15:36

Tijuana Bibliophile: Dec 30, 2008; Scratchmo

I mean you could post about the things in Star Citizen's development that somehow makes you confident that your :airquote:

investment :airquote:

is in safe hands but I guess you just can't summon the necessary faith in our powers of reasoning

# ? Mar 13, 2017 15:38

Harold Stassen: Jan 24, 2016

We are nostrils above water and I need everyone who truly believes to dig deep

# ? Mar 13, 2017 15:43

tooterfish: Jul 13, 2013

ManofManyAliases posted:

It's a 'legal grey area' now. Got it. But I thought many of you assumed what they were doing was illegal/fraudulent?
:momashrug:

Oh look, I touched a nerve.

I've personally always contended that what CIG are doing is unethical, not necessarily illegal.

I wouldn't expect a lawyer to understand the difference between those two things, so don't worry about it. Go play with your belt, dickhead.

# ? Mar 13, 2017 15:45

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

With Scalia no longer around, the autists of the world will have an even playing field when they take Chris Roberts et al. to court over the Star Citizen fiasco.

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# ? Mar 13, 2017 16:10

Virtual Captain: Feb 20, 2017; Archive Priest of the Stimperial Order

Star Citizen Good, in all things forevermore. Amen.

don't install this.

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https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/28118-star-citizen-bull-filter/code

mostly from an old post

edit: wait I've made a horrible mistake.

JavaScript code:

s = s.replace( /\bChris Roberts\b/gi, "Chris \"Make that pixel green\" Roberts");

Virtual Captain fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Mar 13, 2017

# ? Mar 13, 2017 16:13

HoneyBakedMAN: Oct 26, 2007; Sliced for babewiches

AP posted:

Also get a refund.

Better to save the jpgs to sell on the gray market. All of these limited edition jpgs are gonna pay off big time eventually.

# ? Mar 13, 2017 16:14

ManofManyAliases: Mar 21, 2016; ToastOfManySmarts

Can't post for 3 hours!

AP posted:

Nope, a lot of people told you Citizens were entitled to refunds as CIG weren't keeping to their part of the contract/agreement, release dates etc.

You argued for pages how the CIG terms of service was cast iron and people couldn't get refunds, then people tested CIG on refunds by pushing it to the stage when a court might actually get to rule on it and suddenly CIG is refunding everyone who asks.

Don't let me stop you though if you are going to fight this legal battle again, last time was hilarious, love your work, big fan.

I didn't say that they couldn't get refunds. Refunds are at CIG's discretion. I said they aren't entitled to refunds (except in locations where there are consumer protection laws) and that if challenged in court, it is very likely that the TOS would hold-up if a user agreed to a particular version.

# ? Mar 13, 2017 16:15

ManofManyAliases: Mar 21, 2016; ToastOfManySmarts

Can't post for 3 hours!

tooterfish posted:

Oh look, I touched a nerve.

I've personally always contended that what CIG are doing is unethical, not necessarily illegal.

I wouldn't expect a lawyer to understand the difference between those two things, so don't worry about it. Go play with your belt, dickhead.

Claims he touched a nerve . . . ends diatribe with insult. Keep up the good work commando.

# ? Mar 13, 2017 16:18

Nicholas: Mar 7, 2001; Were those not fine days, when we drank of clear honey, and spoke in calm tones of our love for the stuff?

I don't think there will ever be legal action. The casuals will simply move on from a failed kickstarter. The hardcore whales who go down with the ship will claim that they got their moneys worth, funded a dream, let CIG produce tech that could be licensed out in the future (lol), or some how saved the PC industry from certain death.

Nicholas fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Mar 13, 2017

# ? Mar 13, 2017 16:19

TrustmeImLegit: Jan 14, 2017; by FactsAreUseless

ManofManyAliases posted:

I didn't say that they couldn't get refunds. Refunds are at CIG's discretion. I said they aren't entitled to refunds (except in locations where there are consumer protection laws) and that if challenged in court, it is very likely that the TOS would hold-up if a user agreed to a particular version.

Lets say I made a purchase when the TOS said I was entitled to a financial accounting. Where is it?

# ? Mar 13, 2017 16:19

tooterfish: Jul 13, 2013

ManofManyAliases posted:

Claims he touched a nerve . . . ends diatribe with insult. Keep up the good work commando.

You realise I can insult you without being emotional about it? Well, angry anyway. I admit contempt is an emotion.

I've always thought you were a dickhead.

# ? Mar 13, 2017 16:21

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# ? May 15, 2024 17:52

Sickening: Jul 16, 2007; Black summer was the best summer.

TrustmeImLegit posted:

Lets say I made a purchase when the TOS said I was entitled to a financial accounting. Where is it?

There is only one reason to not release financial information after you promised to do so and its because that information makes you look bad.

# ? Mar 13, 2017 16:22

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