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Zakmonster
Apr 15, 2010

DrNutt posted:

You are conflating two different things. I expect to get fetch quests because it's an RPG. What I don't expect is everyone squirting at me and begging to suck my dick because I'm the PATHFINDER. It's a completely stupid turn of events and holy poo poo if you think out of 100,000 people specially selected for the initiative there might be a few people who know what they're doing. Instead, you find the Nexus and it's got the lights off and everyone sitting around with their thumbs in their asses waiting for the magical player character to teach them how to tie their shoes.

It's by far the dumbest conceit I've ever seen in a Bioware game and I can't imagine why they thought it was a good idea. The only way Mass Effect is saved at this point is if there's a post credits scene where the Normandy emerges from dark space and a Haggard Shepard appears to tell Ryder "we have to go back... To the Milky Way!"

But not really, though? The Nexus has its lights off because they're running out of power and now they can siphon some from the Hyperion. That one engineer who is doing the sabotage investigations wants your help because you're a neutral party. That turian lady who wants to exonerate her husband needs your help because she's got no one else to turn to.

Those are only two sidequests, I'm not sure how the rest are, but they don't really seem like you're making it out to be. Sure some people harp on about the fact you're the Pathfinder, but to them, the Pathfinder is the guy that will help them get on a planet and build a home. After a couple years marooned on a spaceship that's running out of food, you'd latch on to any fucker with a badge, too.

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Ichabod Tane
Oct 30, 2005

A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.


https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4
Also the chick moves her eyes around like a blind person

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!
KOTOR2's twist was better at the time, but every drat game breaks the fourth wall and lines up the disconnect between your gameplay actions and the story nowadays so it wouldn't have the same punch

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

No Mods No Masters posted:

*geralt rides through some mud shithole while people spit at him, stare nervously, call him a witchfucker under their breath* clearly hes the most loved hero in all of RPG's

He's well-liked in Skellige, and by royalty in general.

No Mods No Masters
Oct 3, 2004

Zakmonster posted:

But not really, though? The Nexus has its lights off because they're running out of power and now they can siphon some from the Hyperion. That one engineer who is doing the sabotage investigations wants your help because you're a neutral party. That turian lady who wants to exonerate her husband needs your help because she's got no one else to turn to.

Those are only two sidequests, I'm not sure how the rest are, but they don't really seem like you're making it out to be. Sure some people harp on about the fact you're the Pathfinder, but to them, the Pathfinder is the guy that will help them get on a planet and build a home. After a couple years marooned on a spaceship that's running out of food, you'd latch on to any fucker with a badge, too.

*nods reasonably, eyebrows wiggling uncontrollably*

tayvaan
Oct 22, 2010

Milky Moor posted:

Geralt is the most famous member with world-wide renown of a select group of superhuman individuals who are very good at their job, namely killing things.

John Shepard is an all-round badass who is basically a human celebrity who can break the law with no real oversight.

Ryder is... some dude, I guess, who gets a shiny Chief Explorer badge.

I don't the mind the idea of playing a character that is a pretender so to speak. One of the things I like about the writing in the early part of the game is that while a lot of the people who don't know how you became pathfinder treat you like a hero Addison and Tann, who know the whole story, straight up call you on your poo poo. Hopefully they actually do something with that over the course of the game. However, they really needed to do a better job establishing what a pathfinder means.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

2house2fly posted:

KOTOR2's twist was better at the time, but every drat game breaks the fourth wall and lines up the disconnect between your gameplay actions and the story nowadays so it wouldn't have the same punch

The worst offender I've seen recently was (visual novel incoming) Virtue's Last Reward where Akane is talking to you, yes YOU, because you now control the PC. I mean it was a weird game but that was the icing on the cake.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Funky See Funky Do posted:

Tell me that eyebrow wiggle is edited. I haven't noticed it before. loving lol

i just noticed it too. it looks loving flirty which is weird.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

i just noticed it too. it looks loving flirty which is weird.

It looks like Parkinsons.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum

Pattonesque posted:

Man I bet the people at BioWare who experienced the ME3 endings backlash are getting hardcore flashbacks now. that can't be fun.

Nah, the ending was just a bogus way to conclude the Shepard games for a lot of folks that BioWare tried to fight and got even more burned by it. Andromeda so far is people laughing at what's there but still buying and rolling with it, some even liking it. If it gets even worse and the ending is like tied behind season pass bullshit though? Oh man, there is a good chance this could be worse than the ME3 ending slapfight.

Evil Canadian
Sep 10, 2000

No one man should have all that Psycho-Power.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

i just noticed it too. it looks loving flirty which is weird.

"Yeah my dad is dead, but I ain't baby :cool:."

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

JBP posted:

It looks like Parkinsons.

thats the twist. the more you level up. the worse your Parkinson gets.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

Crabtree posted:

Nah, the ending was just a bogus way to conclude the Shepard games for a lot of folks that BioWare tried to fight and got even more burned by it. Andromeda so far is people laughing at what's there but still buying and rolling with it, some even liking it. If it gets even worse and the ending is like tied behind season pass bullshit though? Oh man, there is a good chance this could be worse than the ME3 ending slapfight.

Locking the Real Ending behind DLC is a Bioware tradition. Citadel, Arrival, Trespasser, Legacy, Witch Hunt, and Pinnacle Station.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus

Zakmonster posted:

But not really, though? The Nexus has its lights off because they're running out of power and now they can siphon some from the Hyperion. That one engineer who is doing the sabotage investigations wants your help because you're a neutral party. That turian lady who wants to exonerate her husband needs your help because she's got no one else to turn to.

Those are only two sidequests, I'm not sure how the rest are, but they don't really seem like you're making it out to be. Sure some people harp on about the fact you're the Pathfinder, but to them, the Pathfinder is the guy that will help them get on a planet and build a home. After a couple years marooned on a spaceship that's running out of food, you'd latch on to any fucker with a badge, too.

The implication that there is no one on the Nexus capable of acquiring basic resources isn't even the least bit troubling to you? It's ridiculous that they are helpless without Ryder.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Crabtree posted:

Nah, the ending was just a bogus way to conclude the Shepard games for a lot of folks that BioWare tried to fight and got even more burned by it. Andromeda so far is people laughing at what's there but still buying and rolling with it, some even liking it. If it gets even worse and the ending is like tied behind season pass bullshit though? Oh man, there is a good chance this could be worse than the ME3 ending slapfight.

i don't think they could get away with that. even no a days. not after 3. even the ending for this is meh, it can't be as bad as 3 because that had a trilogies worth of story behind it.

CJ
Jul 3, 2007

Asbungold
Is this game another trilogy or a one off?

comatose
Nov 23, 2005

Lipstick Apathy

CJ posted:

Is this game another trilogy or a one off?

Depends how much money it makes.

GreenBuckanneer
Sep 15, 2007

monster on a stick posted:

The worst offender I've seen recently was (visual novel incoming) Virtue's Last Reward where Akane is talking to you, yes YOU, because you now control the PC. I mean it was a weird game but that was the icing on the cake.

No that was the cool part where I figuratively poo poo myself.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum

monster on a stick posted:

Locking the Real Ending behind DLC is a Bioware tradition. Citadel, Arrival, Trespasser, Legacy, Witch Hunt, and Pinnacle Station.

I mean a deliberate TO BE REVEALED cliffhanger after you get near the final boss or someshit in the vanilla game. Having a real ending, satisfying or otherwise and then pulling out several extra campagins until you throw out a Trespasser is fine. Because there's no ARTISTIC VISION bullshit defense to piecemeal the real or true end of the game just to sell a Season Pass. Like a cliffhanger that either speaks they had no faith in their product's conclusion and just want to make as much money as they can or had no idea how to make a functional single game story anymore and just cut off.

Crabtree fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Mar 17, 2017

Schlesische
Jul 4, 2012

monster on a stick posted:

The worst offender I've seen recently was (visual novel incoming) Virtue's Last Reward where Akane is talking to you, yes YOU, because you now control the PC. I mean it was a weird game but that was the icing on the cake.

Assassin's Creed 2 did literally exactly what you're saying there.
Ezio gets to that crypt thing and Juno speaks through Ezio to Desmond

DrNutt posted:

The implication that there is no one on the Nexus capable of acquiring basic resources isn't even the least bit troubling to you? It's ridiculous that they are helpless without Ryder.

I think it's that the Nexus was reliant on power and resources from the Arks that aren't there, and the backup plan was for the Nexus to colonise poo poo which wasn't going to happen after they had their civil war/s.

As a result they aren't going to all die of starvation tomorrow, but they are going to slowly die out as their resources get consumed.

monster on a stick posted:

Locking the Real Ending behind DLC is a Bioware tradition. Citadel, Arrival, Trespasser, Legacy, Witch Hunt, and Pinnacle Station.

Arrival was Mass Effect 2.5, not the ending of ME2. In Retrospect Legacy feels more like a shoehorned bit made to fit the direction of DAI than as a genuine tie up to the DA2 storyline. Witch Hunt fits awkwardly with a wide gamut of endings. Pinnacle Station was definitively not the real ending of ME1, neither was Bring down the sky.

When you really go through it, Arrival and Legacy are the only two you can genuinely argue are really trying to sequel-bait you, and they're both "nu-Bioware" products.

Schlesische fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Mar 17, 2017

BrianWilly
Apr 24, 2007

There is no homosexual terrorist Johnny Silverhand
Just started playing the trial.

Hot take after having literally just starting out: the game looks good. But I'm playing on a pretty high-end computer with monster FPS, so, v:v:v

I find my Ryder pretty expressive in the short time that I've played, honestly. The downside being that he seems to be in a perpetual state of just about pissing himself in fear/just having pissed himself in fear.






It's been a rough day, Bryder.

No Mods No Masters
Oct 3, 2004

BrianWilly posted:

Just started playing the trial.

Hot take after having literally just starting out: the game looks good. But I'm playing on a pretty high-end computer with monster FPS, so, v:v:v

I find my Ryder pretty expressive in the short time that I've played, honestly. The downside being that he seems to be in a perpetual state of just about pissing himself in fear/just having pissed himself in fear.






It's been a rough day, Bryder.

He looks like a dip poo poo, OP

BrianWilly
Apr 24, 2007

There is no homosexual terrorist Johnny Silverhand
it's my self insert, so duh.

Zakmonster
Apr 15, 2010

Schlesische posted:

Assassin's Creed 2 did literally exactly what you're saying there.
Ezio gets to that crypt thing and Juno speaks through Ezio to Desmond


I think it's that the Nexus was reliant on power and resources from the Arks that aren't there, and the backup plan was for the Nexus to colonise poo poo which wasn't going to happen after they had their civil war/s.

As a result they aren't going to all die of starvation tomorrow, but they are going to slowly die out as their resources get consumed.

And all colonization efforts hadn't worked out because of the Kett and other problems. None of the 4 Nexus leaders are super confident that Ryder can get the job done, but its a fresh set of eyes and legs on the problem.

BrianWilly posted:

Just started playing the trial.

Hot take after having literally just starting out: the game looks good. But I'm playing on a pretty high-end computer with monster FPS, so, v:v:v

I find my Ryder pretty expressive in the short time that I've played, honestly. The downside being that he seems to be in a perpetual state of just about pissing himself in fear/just having pissed himself in fear.






It's been a rough day, Bryder.

Sara Ryder seems to have this issue where she's constantly looking up at everything, probably because she's so short. It's not a bad thing, but it will sometimes make the poor animations even worse.

Caidin
Oct 29, 2011
I just did the "Alec is dead" bit and my girl Ryder seemed sad but not appropriately so, but I went with a custom face.

It was Cora that had a smug looking grin on the whole time.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

No Mods No Masters posted:

He looks like a dip poo poo, OP

Makes sense that the PC rolls into every scene looking like "what the gently caress is going on".

Evil Canadian
Sep 10, 2000

No one man should have all that Psycho-Power.

BrianWilly posted:

I find my Ryder pretty expressive in the short time that I've played, honestly. The downside being that he seems to be in a perpetual state of just about pissing himself in fear/just having pissed himself in fear.


That's the first actually decent custom Ryder I have seen so far so good job on that.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum
Oh my god, does any model know what to do with their weapons?! Fun starts around the end, like 3:29.

Crabtree fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Mar 17, 2017

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:

BrianWilly posted:

Just started playing the trial.

Hot take after having literally just starting out: the game looks good. But I'm playing on a pretty high-end computer with monster FPS, so, v:v:v

I find my Ryder pretty expressive in the short time that I've played, honestly. The downside being that he seems to be in a perpetual state of just about pissing himself in fear/just having pissed himself in fear.






It's been a rough day, Bryder.

Paranoia when you represent basically the last sentient life from an entire galaxy is probably a good attitude to have.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


To be fair, pissing yourself in fear is an acceptable reaction to waking up 600 years in the future to a situation wildly different from what you expected and suddenly having huge responsibilities thrust upon you.

Funky See Funky Do
Aug 20, 2013
STILL TRYING HARD

Crazycryodude posted:

To be fair, pissing yourself in fear is an acceptable reaction to waking up 600 years in the future to a situation wildly different from what you expected and suddenly having huge responsibilities thrust upon you.

Commander Shepard wouldn't do that. Commander Shepard would have it under control in two days, max!

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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yeah that worried asian ryder owns

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

That's a Krogan Zaeed

:allears:

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

drack seems cool at least. nice to have a wrex type again.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Every time I hear someone say they're going to get the kett or they've been interacting with kett I automatically think they're going to get or are currently poo poo faced.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Fojar38 posted:

yeah that worried asian ryder owns

Pretty sure he's Polynesian.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

Fojar38 posted:

yeah that worried asian ryder owns

He looks like he woke up from that dream where it's final exam day and you forgot you signed up for the class and so haven't been going all semester.

comatose
Nov 23, 2005

Lipstick Apathy

JBP posted:

Every time I hear someone say they're going to get the kett or they've been interacting with kett I automatically think they're going to get or are currently poo poo faced.

I want to pet the kett.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013
Gul Du-kett :argh:

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JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
The mass effect is actually being in a tremendous k-hole on regular earth all along.

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