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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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This is the year 2020. The place is the Hebrides Terrace Seamount - the top of an underwater mountain, a complex beneath the sea. Eighteen thousand, eight hundred and twenty four men, women and children live here, each of them a unionist pioneer. For this is our last frontier - a hostile environment which may hold the key to tomorrow. Each day, these social democrats meet new challenges as they build their city beneath the sea... This is Scotlab 2020. e: 1990 - Alex Salmond wins the SNP leadership election, succeeding Gordon Wilson.
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Guavanaut posted:This is the year 2020. The place is the Hebrides Terrace Seamount - the top of an underwater mountain, a complex beneath the sea. Eighteen thousand, eight hundred and twenty four men, women and children live here, each of them a unionist pioneer. For this is our last frontier - a hostile environment which may hold the key to tomorrow. Each day, these social democrats meet new challenges as they build their city beneath the sea... This is Scotlab 2020. Someone's been reading a little too much of the climate change thread.
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Mar 17, 2017 02:13
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Coohoolin posted:Just a reminder that Scottish media is overwhelmingly pro Scotlab and anti SNP.   Regarde Aduck posted:No one is pro Scotlab. Scotland was, for a short time, a one party state before unforgivably and megaironically you made the Tories your opposition. Scotlab were turned into a non entity via identity politics: the idea that if you're Scottish and leftist then you're also nationalist. I mean politically it was genius machiavellian stuff but it does mean you've let the Tories gain a foothold as the price for destroying Scottish Labour as a concept. No one is pro Scotlab because they are poo poo. Identity politics was one reason they got pushed back to being what they are but they were doing poo poo that made Corbyn somehow more in touch with voters. One example was Better Together which was such a fuckup despite the indyref going No. It did more damage towards Labour then the SNP could do if they tried. It didn't help that Labour lacks talent and failed to connect with many former labour voters. It became identity politics after the first indyref concluded. Many voters of labour switched to the SNP or Tories depending on their stance on Indy. Imagine if Labour allied with the Tories to go against Plaid Cymru if that issue came to appear. Though I'm not as insightful into Welsh politics as you would be. I still imagine it would cause a stir that would damage labour's reputation which would be easy to exploit.
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Mar 17, 2017 02:32
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It doesn't help that the policies they pulled out to try and differentiate themselves after the collapse were rubbish. Adding a penny to basic rate income tax is not a progressive way to combat austerity.
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Mar 17, 2017 02:41
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jabby posted:So the Lib Dems have decided to steal a policy that worked so well for Scottish Labour, and are proposing a 1p rise in income tax. That was a Lib Dem policy in the nineties.
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Mar 17, 2017 08:07
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Coohoolin posted:Just a reminder that Scottish media is overwhelmingly pro Scotlab and anti SNP. Well the media down here has pretty much one paper in the top 10 distribution that will occasionally print a positive Labour piece, so the shambles that is Scotlab (underneath the water) probably has even less favourable coverage by now, yes?
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Mar 17, 2017 08:25
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TinTower, I enjoyed your appearance on Daily Pols with Rod Liddel.
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Mar 17, 2017 09:06
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Wow, I am super impressed at the timeliness of that reference. Must have been at least a decade since Little Britain was on. LemonDrizzle posted:and when they're wrong, they're really really wrong Chris Sutton is great, the only Englishman who gives our gave the proper due. It's poo poo but fun. Of course it's poo poo. There's no money in it, and what little there is is funneled towards 2 teams. Still make the best of a bad hand.
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Mar 17, 2017 10:03
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 forkboy84 posted:Chris Sutton is great There are a lot of bad opinions posted in this thread but I think this is the worst of the lot. I'm convinced the BBC only hire him on as comic relief.
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Mar 17, 2017 10:35
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Regarde Aduck posted:No one is pro Scotlab. Scotland was, for a short time, a one party state before unforgivably and megaironically you made the Tories your government. FTFY.
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Mar 17, 2017 10:42
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HJB posted:
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Mar 17, 2017 10:53
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That Guardian long read about the protocol for what happens when the Queen dies was actually a pretty interesting read. Tbh it's kind of fitting that Charles will inherit Brexit Britain.
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Mar 17, 2017 11:00
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JFairfax posted:she kinda looks like that pepe frog in that pic   
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the absurdity of 'queen smiles' as a headline is only just sinking in, we don't know what she is looking at, she could be smiling at something totally different.
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Mar 17, 2017 12:01
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She's been dead for 5 years and is operated by the same team that does the new Kermit and Keith Richards.
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Mar 17, 2017 12:04
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 The Royal We I'm guessing Also looks like someone managed to survey NHS workers without telling them what they're allowed to complain about quote:The NHS has been struggling to meet rising demand with a chronic shortage of staff and the results of a survey, published on Friday, suggest that a feeling of constant upheaval is at least partially to blame. quote:Other key factors cited by respondents as adversely affecting the NHS’s ability to retain staff were low morale (92% of respondents) and poor pay and rewards (72%). quote:An NHS England spokeswoman said: “This poll is wide of the mark and at odds with our own thorough and robust staff survey which garnered 423,000 responses. It found 80% of frontline NHS staff say they are able to do their job to a standard they are personally pleased with, 90% of staff say their job makes a difference for patients, and 92% of staff feel trusted to do their jobs, which does not seem to suggest a low morale workforce.” How can workers have low morale when they themselves provide morale?! Case closed! JFairfax posted:the absurdity of 'queen smiles' as a headline is only just sinking in, we don't know what she is looking at, she could be smiling at something totally different. Queen smiles after* Hitler takes power baka kaba fucked around with this message at 12:13 on Mar 17, 2017 |
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Mar 17, 2017 12:07
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QT Chat: SNP lady was actually very eloquent and cool, journo guy was fairly reasonable for QT, eagle did nothing but whine and sound on the verge of tears, rees-mogg was entirely as expected and I just can't bring myself to hate him, tim loving martin was actually pretty quiet but managed to somehow spend quite a bit of the time he was speaking calling for the NHS to be dismantled so yeah. Best bit was long haired scarf and john lennon glasses wearing parody cliche leftist young person in the audience invoking intersectionality theory to widespread groaning. Though I did slso enjoy young UKIP boy in suit (you can tell them from a mile off) going full ancap.
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Mar 17, 2017 12:10
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"ERE WE'RE BETTER TOGEVVU INNIT SO WE SHOULD GET A VOTE IF WE KEEP THE FUCKIN JOCKS IN INNIT (with the implication that the UK should kick the Scots out)" - the audience summed up
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Mar 17, 2017 12:12
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ThomasPaine posted:tim loving martin was actually pretty quiet but managed to somehow spend quite a bit of the time he was speaking calling for the NHS to be dismantled so yeah. What does he have against the NHS? Does he have shares in private health? 
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Mar 17, 2017 12:15
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jBrereton posted:"ERE WE'RE BETTER TOGEVVU INNIT SO WE SHOULD GET A VOTE IF WE KEEP THE FUCKIN JOCKS IN INNIT (with the implication that the UK should kick the Scots out)" - the audience summed up QT used to make me angry but now I just laugh. How is it actually possible for the public to be this consistently ignorant.
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Mar 17, 2017 12:16
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I'd support a referendum on whether England should remain in the UK.
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Mar 17, 2017 12:16
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Mar 17, 2017 12:17
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Guavanaut posted:What does he have against the NHS? Does he have shares in private health? Hates taxes. Hates them. Will not pay a penny more. Actually suggested moving to a French model which as far as I know is more expensive and actually better than the UK though so idk
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Mar 17, 2017 12:18
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ThomasPaine posted:QT used to make me angry but now I just laugh. How is it actually possible for the public to be this consistently ignorant. We just voted for economic suicide nothing surprises me any more
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Mar 17, 2017 12:19
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I understand hating taxes, especially if you're a rich oval office, but wanting to pay more money for healthcare just so other people don't get it? It's like the mule story from Mississippi Burning.
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Mar 17, 2017 12:20
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I like watching Question Time because, while I don't often agree with the audience, it's good to hear alternative and fresh perspectives on issues. It helps me make sure I don't become complacent in my beliefs. My fave bit was the woman haranguing Angela Eagle because of how poo poo Corbyn is.
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Mar 17, 2017 12:22
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ThomasPaine posted:QT used to make me angry but now I just laugh. How is it actually possible for the public to be this consistently ignorant. That's a feature, not a bug, of capitalist democracy.
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Mar 17, 2017 12:23
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Osborne just got himself a new job as the editor of the evening standard
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Mar 17, 2017 12:26
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Jose posted:Osborne just got himself a new job as the editor of the evening standard 
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ThomasPaine posted:[What does he have against the NHS? ] Hates taxes. Hates them. Will not pay a penny more. Actually suggested moving to a French model...
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Jose posted:Osborne just got himself a new job as the editor of the evening standard I follow far too many media types on twitter. My feed is now just a procession of journos tweeting the word "What"
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Mar 17, 2017 12:32
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Jose posted:Osborne just got himself a new job as the editor of the evening standard Naturally Sadiq Khan came out with an incisive and witty.. https://twitter.com/SadiqKhan/status/842699604596576256 Oh.
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Mar 17, 2017 12:35
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tbf George Osborne comes across pretty well on paper and will probably do a completely acceptable job of it.
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Mar 17, 2017 12:37
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Mar 17, 2017 12:37
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LemonDrizzle posted:French healthcare is universal but has extensive private sector involvement, and is supplied via health insurance - it's not "free" in the way the NHS is. Yes I know but I remember reading somewhere that it costs way more than the NHS as a percentage of GDP, and that it's super good quality on the whole. Seems a bit convoluted though. Private insurance by a few approved providers, heavily subsidised by the government, then you have to use the facilities provided by 'your' insurer. Don't see why you wouldn't just cut out the middleman. Might be mixing up a couple of european countries here mind.
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Mar 17, 2017 12:37
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jBrereton posted:tbf George Osborne comes across pretty well on paper and will probably do a completely acceptable job of it. Sure, if objectivity literally doesn't rank anywhere in your priorities for the press. I suppose politicians are so used to begging editors for headlines it makes sense to cut out the middle man.
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Mar 17, 2017 12:42
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ThomasPaine posted:Yes I know but I remember reading somewhere that it costs way more than the NHS as a percentage of GDP, and that it's super good quality on the whole. Seems a bit convoluted though. Private insurance by a few approved providers, heavily subsidised by the government, then you have to use the facilities provided by 'your' insurer. Don't see why you wouldn't just cut out the middleman. Might be mixing up a couple of european countries here mind. If you cut out the middleman then they would make less money Any system other than state provided universal healthcare costs more per capita, purely because you now have companies and people in the system who demand to be paid a profit. Capitalism!
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Also George Osbourne as chancellor orchestrated one of the biggest wealth transfers from the poor to the rich in British history, did absolutely nothing to fix the systemic problems with the British financial sector and has killed people as a direct result of his cuts. He is absolute scum.
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