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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed.
Jeremy Corbyn	95	18.63%
Dennis Skinner	53	10.39%
Angus Robertson	20	3.92%
Tim Farron	9	1.76%
Paul Ukips	7	1.37%
Robot Lenin	105	20.59%
Tony Blair	28	5.49%
Pissflaps	193	37.84%
Total:	510 votes

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JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

george osborne is a massive coke head so I think he will do just fine as an editor coralling an office full of coke heads

'91 a good year for music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf73xqZvk6k

JFairfax fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Mar 17, 2017

# ? Mar 17, 2017 12:46

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jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Lord of the Llamas posted:

Sure, if objectivity literally doesn't rank anywhere in your priorities for the press.

When we get a Tory-inspired terrorist group that launches a sustained, violent campaign in the greater London area against TV license inspection vans, nurses/sisters that don't wear outfits out of 1940s period pieces, and politically correct casting boards that include black people in depictions of the middle ages, we'll know who to blame, don't worry.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 12:54

hakimashou: Jul 15, 2002; Upset Trowel

Don't Lol me posted:

As If the public care about who gives the sickest burns in PMQs - again, the tories have been caught out being straight up shits with corruption and idiotic budgeting, and yet they go up in polls. They either don't care to know, it's expected, or just straight up like the whole narrative that has been set for the last 6+ years.
Regarde Aduck is correct, you could have the most eloquent, passionate and charismatic front bench opposition and it wouldn't matter.

At this moment, it's probably best that someone like Corbyn is still at the head, as you never know, people might actually think "christ, why am I being told that Corbyn has odd socks instead of thee latest tory fuckup" and cause them to actually think instead of react based on their gut feelings.

He is wrong and so are you. This is just excuse-making for corbyn and it is pathetic defeatist garbage.

This "corbyn cannot fail, he can only be failed, if things are bad it isn't his fault, it is somone else's fault" poo poo is revolting. Shame on you. I get it was cool and fun for corbyn to beat all those awful bad guys and sure show them, but it doesn't make him a good leader.

Times are tough? That's when you need a good leader more than ever, more than any other time. Imagine if the British had all been defeatist slags during the Blitz. Imagine if it was corbyn instead of Winston Churchill.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 12:55

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

jBrereton posted:

When we get a Tory-inspired terrorist group that launches a sustained, violent campaign in the greater London area

Parliament?

# ? Mar 17, 2017 12:58

baka kaba: Jul 19, 2003; PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJf5wDGEiug&t=131s

# ? Mar 17, 2017 12:58

mehall: Aug 27, 2010

hakimashou posted:

He is wrong and so are you. This is just excuse-making for corbyn and it is pathetic defeatist garbage.

This "corbyn cannot fail, he can only be failed, if things are bad it isn't his fault, it is somone else's fault" poo poo is revolting. Shame on you. I get it was cool and fun for corbyn to beat all those awful bad guys and sure show them, but it doesn't make him a good leader.

Times are tough? That's when you need a good leader more than ever, more than any other time. Imagine if the British had all been defeatist slags during the Blitz. Imagine if it was corbyn instead of Winston Churchill.

(Don't believe I'm resopnding to hakimashou, but...)

Please let me know who in the Labour party would provide both strong leadership, and a credible alternative to the Tories.
I don't mean compared to the current Tory government, who does seem to have remarkable free reign, I mean provide an actual alternative to the neoliberal, fiscally conservative policies that are killing the country, and literally killing it's citizens.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 13:06

Don't Lol me: Sep 6, 2004

hakimashou posted:

He is wrong and so are you. This is just excuse-making for corbyn and it is pathetic defeatist garbage.

This "corbyn cannot fail, he can only be failed, if things are bad it isn't his fault, it is somone else's fault" poo poo is revolting. Shame on you. I get it was cool and fun for corbyn to beat all those awful bad guys and sure show them, but it doesn't make him a good leader.

Times are tough? That's when you need a good leader more than ever, more than any other time. Imagine if the British had all been defeatist slags during the Blitz. Imagine if it was corbyn instead of Winston Churchill.

Did I make an excuse for Corbyn anywhere? He gave a bad performance when handed an easy way to score points, but again, so what?
When you have people on programs like question time even now thinking that bendy bananas is a reason why we should come out of the EU, you could have anybody instead of Theresa May and still they'd be the highest in the polls.

And gently caress you about Winston Churchill, history has a raging hardon for that idiot who was so drunk and drugged up that he hardly knew what was going on. There was a reason why he managed to lose a general election literally months after VE day, summing up how detached from the harsh realities that most of the population were facing while he was spending hundreds of thousands of pounds per year on vices.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 13:19

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Being MP for Tatton must be the easiest job in the world if you can do it at the same time as editing a widely read newspaper and being a senior adviser to a major financial firm.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 13:21

Pochoclo: Feb 4, 2008; No...; Clapping Larry

baka kaba posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJf5wDGEiug&t=131s

EDIT: gently caress, for a moment I thought this was real and not a comedy character. Goes to show how much faith I have in mankind lately

Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 13:24 on Mar 17, 2017

# ? Mar 17, 2017 13:22

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Pochoclo posted:

Is it some kind of performance she's giving?

Yes, she's a comedy character.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 13:25

baka kaba: Jul 19, 2003; PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Don't lie to Pochoclo please

# ? Mar 17, 2017 13:26

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Don't Lol me posted:

And gently caress you about Winston Churchill, history has a raging hardon for that idiot who was so drunk and drugged up that he hardly knew what was going on. There was a reason why he managed to lose a general election literally months after VE day, summing up how detached from the harsh realities that most of the population were facing while he was spending hundreds of thousands of pounds per year on vices.

I have it on good authority that many of the population were also drunk and drugged up at the time, but mostly to forget how poo poo things were in the late 40s.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 13:32

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

LemonDrizzle posted:

Being MP for Tatton must be the easiest job in the world if you can do it at the same time as editing a widely read newspaper and being a senior adviser to a major financial firm.

It has already been shown at great length that there's no requirement to do any of those three jobs competently.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 13:32

MikeCrotch: Nov 5, 2011; I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

Don't Lol me posted:

Did I make an excuse for Corbyn anywhere? He gave a bad performance when handed an easy way to score points, but again, so what?
When you have people on programs like question time even now thinking that bendy bananas is a reason why we should come out of the EU, you could have anybody instead of Theresa May and still they'd be the highest in the polls.

And gently caress you about Winston Churchill, history has a raging hardon for that idiot who was so drunk and drugged up that he hardly knew what was going on. There was a reason why he managed to lose a general election literally months after VE day, summing up how detached from the harsh realities that most of the population were facing while he was spending hundreds of thousands of pounds per year on vices.

People's praise of Winston Churchill is directly inversely proportional to the amount they actually know about him. People who don't know anything think "blitz spirit" and "we will fight them on the beaches". Once you start reading about him you find out about the Black and Tans, Gallipolli, Norway, comparing the Labour party to the Gestapo...

The amount of insanely bad ideas that Churchill came up with and managed to get put into practice is staggering.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 13:34

Jedit: Dec 10, 2011; Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Jose posted:

Osborne just got himself a new job as the editor of the evening standard

And Ed Miliband has responded by saying he's about to be announced as the new editor of Heat.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 13:35

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

MikeCrotch posted:

The amount of insanely bad ideas that Churchill came up with and managed to get put into practice is staggering.

I liked his essay on land monopoly.

Also he had a second run as PM before being replaced by noted non drug user Anthony Eden, so maybe we like our leaders working under the influence for some reason.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 13:37

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Guavanaut posted:

I liked his essay on land monopoly.

Also he had a second run as PM before being replaced by noted non drug user Anthony Eden, so maybe we like our leaders working under the influence for some reason.

it shows i've got something in common with them

# ? Mar 17, 2017 13:38

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

crispix posted:

It is almost time for the asking of Questions! This week:

Caricature Tory from another century, New Labour woman with anaesthetic voice, smug SNP person of the week, journalism poo poo and Neanderthalensis Brexitus Tim Martin - all from the thrilling place of Bognor Regis.

All goons join us in #ukgoons (synirc)

bognor regis sounds like a made fantasy name

# ? Mar 17, 2017 13:40

mfcrocker: Jan 31, 2004; Hot Rope Guy

Jedit posted:

And Ed Miliband has responded by saying he's about to be announced as the new editor of Heat.

They've gotta catch up ground on Teen Vogue somehow

# ? Mar 17, 2017 13:42

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Kurtofan posted:

bognor regis sounds like a made fantasy name

Lyme Regis is better

# ? Mar 17, 2017 13:47

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Jose posted:

it shows i've got something in common with them

Yeah but when they show up to work hosed up it's other people that suffer the consequences and they somehow don't get fired.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 13:49

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

This is a good statement from Jeremy Corbyn

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/842716548435460097

# ? Mar 17, 2017 14:03

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

Lord of the Llamas posted:

Naturally Sadiq Khan came out with an incisive and witty..

https://twitter.com/SadiqKhan/status/842699604596576256

Oh.

lol

can applaud him at least for leaving the PR staff general guidance to be polite about even people you don't like, and work the mayor's own hashtag into everything. but they've dropped the ball on that one.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 14:22

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

hakimashou posted:

He is wrong and so are you. This is just excuse-making for corbyn and it is pathetic defeatist garbage.

This "corbyn cannot fail, he can only be failed, if things are bad it isn't his fault, it is somone else's fault" poo poo is revolting. Shame on you. I get it was cool and fun for corbyn to beat all those awful bad guys and sure show them, but it doesn't make him a good leader.

Times are tough? That's when you need a good leader more than ever, more than any other time. Imagine if the British had all been defeatist slags during the Blitz. Imagine if it was corbyn instead of Winston Churchill.

Corbyn is terrible. I'm not making excuses for him. I'm fed up of this lovely magical thinking that everything would be ok if only Corbyn was replaced. And I'm not being defeatist. I'm being realistic. I don't want to give up, I just think we're heading into hard times and the reasons for this are bigger and more complex than just 'ineffective opposition'.

Far right populism is here to stay. The working class vote Tory. These things can change but slowly. Replacing Corbyn will not stop the wave of right wing populism sweeping the globe. It will not convince the working class that the 'loony left' can work for them. You've condensed many complex systems into one man. You think if you get rid of him it will take all the other bad poo poo away.

Carry on thinking the world resembles, in any way, the one merely ten years ago. That things can go back to normal if only a few things changed. I'll be here preparing for the dark reality we've entered. Where people genuinely seem to care less for their fellow man. Where spite is the new universal currency. Where the arts are scorned and reviled as waste. Where refugees are spat upon if lucky and murdered if they're not. Buckle up dickhead. You have no idea what awaits.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 14:24

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

speaking of "stopping the wave of right wing populism sweeping the globe"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/17/tony-blair-launches-pushback-against-frightening-populism

Tony Blair is launching a �new policy platform to refill the wide open space in the middle of politics� aimed at combating a �frightening authoritarian populism� that he says is undermining west�s belief in democracy.

The former prime minister said his new Institute for Global Change was more than a thinktank since it would aim to arm front-rank politicians with strategies and policies to rebuild the centre, and combat populism caused by a cultural and economic revolt against the effects of globalisation.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 14:27

MikeCrotch: Nov 5, 2011; I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

Maybe he can build on the gains of other successful European centre left parties such as

# ? Mar 17, 2017 14:30

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

MikeCrotch posted:

Maybe he can build on the gains of other successful European centre left parties such as

The SPD, Democratic Party in Italy, Socialist Party of Portugal have all increased their vote share relative to the immediate post-crash era. So those might be a start.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 14:44

namesake: Jun 19, 2006; "When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

You could hear his wails of frustration about not simply being able to start a new political party with him at the head, were it not for the wails of agony from those still suffering from the last time he was the head of a political party.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 14:47

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

jBrereton posted:

The SPD, Democratic Party in Italy, Socialist Party of Portugal have all increased their vote share relative to the immediate post-crash era. So those might be a start.

Isn't the Portuguese Socialist Party in a government with the Portuguese Communist Party & another Left Wing, anti-capitalist group? And didn't they get elected on a platform of pulling back on austerity?

Maybe that's something for New Labour to learn from?

# ? Mar 17, 2017 14:49

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

forkboy84 posted:

Isn't the Portuguese Socialist Party in a government with the Portuguese Communist Party & another Left Wing, anti-capitalist group? And didn't they get elected on a platform of pulling back on austerity?

The Left Bloc/PCP have about 1/5 of the seats in government yes.

quote:

Maybe that's something for New Labour to learn from?

Might just be!

# ? Mar 17, 2017 14:51

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Cerv posted:

speaking of "stopping the wave of right wing populism sweeping the globe"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/17/tony-blair-launches-pushback-against-frightening-populism

Tony Blair is launching a �new policy platform to refill the wide open space in the middle of politics� aimed at combating a �frightening authoritarian populism� that he says is undermining west�s belief in democracy.

The former prime minister said his new Institute for Global Change was more than a thinktank since it would aim to arm front-rank politicians with strategies and policies to rebuild the centre, and combat populism caused by a cultural and economic revolt against the effects of globalisation.

he's definitely not massively responsible for this in the UK lol

# ? Mar 17, 2017 15:08

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

jBrereton posted:

The SPD, Democratic Party in Italy, Socialist Party of Portugal have all increased their vote share relative to the immediate post-crash era. So those might be a start.

might as well pencil in En Marche! too since he's winning the presidency in 7 weeks

# ? Mar 17, 2017 15:11

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

lol

https://twitter.com/CaitrionaPerry/status/842407878120075266?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

# ? Mar 17, 2017 15:13

MikeCrotch: Nov 5, 2011; I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

The SPD have increased their vote share from their lowest result in the history of the party since WWII, to the second lowest result in their history of the party since WWII. Truly a result to be respected and feared.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 15:16

baka kaba: Jul 19, 2003; PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

lol if you think that when Tony Blair says 'centre' he means 'centre left'

Wonder if he was visiting Trump to see these problems up close

# ? Mar 17, 2017 15:20

Paxman: Feb 7, 2010

Regarde Aduck posted:

Corbyn is terrible. I'm not making excuses for him. I'm fed up of this lovely magical thinking that everything would be ok if only Corbyn was replaced.

Nobody's saying that though

# ? Mar 17, 2017 15:23

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

baka kaba posted:

lol if you think that when Tony Blair says 'centre' he means 'centre left'

Do you think his politics have moved to the right since he left office?

# ? Mar 17, 2017 15:27

namesake: Jun 19, 2006; "When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Paxman posted:

Nobody's saying that though

But people are saying something would be better when that's really in doubt, particularly as the something isn't really defined. The only thing that for sure would make Labour and their leader look better is friendlier national press coverage and the last Labour leader they liked was Blair, so you can find a new model Blair and hope the exact same thing happens again (at the same costs in the worsening situation we are now) or accept that being left of Blair invites hostility from national media and accept that better policy will have worse press reaction. There could potentially be a balance struck further to the right of Corbyn but the Labour figures who could be in that role have run away, been revealed as incompetent or confirmed that they definitely wouldn't meet the requirements of the role either.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 15:32

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

There is no doubt in my mind that Jeremy Corbyn's performance as labour leader could be vastly improved upon.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 15:34

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Lord of the Llamas: Jul 9, 2002; EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

Cerv posted:

might as well pencil in En Marche! too since he's winning the presidency in 7 weeks

Yeah that's got nothing to do with the "centre-right" candidate spectacularly blowing up.

# ? Mar 17, 2017 15:38

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