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Also remember the Pacific has gotten a lot better this season. Maybe they'll compete as a bubble team.
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Mar 28, 2017 14:39
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xzzy posted:Expansion drafts are so loving lame, just give the new team some bonus picks in the main draft and make them scoop up some UFA's or machine gun some offer sheets. The NHL needs to do something, because if Vegas aren't any good from pretty much the get go they're going to get left in the dust when the NFL comes to town. The Raiders will arrive in three years, time with a fully fleshed out roster. Expansion teams since 1991 (the Sharks) have averaged 57pts in their first season, 56pts in their 2nd season and 68pts in their third. It takes them an average of 4.77 years to make the playoffs for the first time. If the Knights don't get going quickly, fan interest is going to vanish and the NFL is going to take all those eyeballs (I mean it will anyways, but 100%, not just 98%). The NHL has a really bad track record with expansion teams, they probably need to do something drastic to make Vegas a viable franchise. Then again the owners got their $500M of money they don't have to share with the players, so they don't actually care. Jamwad Hilder posted:Some of those teams look like they could be good enough to not be in last place. That's not saying much when you're in a division with Arizona and Vancouver. ThinkTank fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Mar 28, 2017 |
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DJExile posted:Some hack at the Philadelphia Daily News wrote about the USA Hockey dispute with the women's team and... suggests the creation of a women's professional hockey league Surprised nobody's thought of making a women's league before!
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ThinkTank posted:The Raiders will arrive in three years, time with a fully fleshed out roster. Expansion teams since 1991 (the Sharks) have averaged 57pts in their first season, 56pts in their 2nd season and 68pts in their third. It takes them an average of 4.77 years to make the playoffs for the first time. If the Knights don't get going quickly, fan interest is going to vanish and the NFL is going to take all those eyeballs (I mean it will anyways, but 100%, not just 98%). I think this fear, which I've seen a bit since the Raiders thing was announced, is a little unfounded. The NFL and the NHL aren't really direct competitors for viewers. Will the Raiders be more popular? Definitely. They also only play once a week, and typically during the day. Most weeks there are going to be 2-4 nights when the only pro team in action is the Knights, so I don't think Vegas fans will abandon the hockey team as soon as the Raiders come to town. If Vegas was getting a NBA team I'd be a lot more worried about it, since the nature of the NBA and NHL schedules puts them in direct competition with each other moreso than football. ThinkTank posted:That's not saying much when you're in a division with Arizona and Vancouver. yeah I guess that's true. They could end up with Nolan Patrick or Nico Hischier too if they're lucky.
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Mar 28, 2017 15:11
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Vegas is untested waters for sports teams. Guarantee there will be tie-ins with the casinos and they'll get at least some asses in seats that way. City population is only 600,000, and they bring in 40 million visitors a year. Compare to Chicago.. 9.4 million, 51 million visitors a year. The transient population of Las Vegas is absurd.
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Mar 28, 2017 15:35
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corn on the cop posted:Colorado lost their 52nd game in regulation tonight. Five more and they join the wondrous ranks of the expansion Thrashers: I am sure someone else can answer this, but was there a change to the rules in expansion drafts between the period when the Sharks/Sens drafted and when the next four teams drafted? The Thrashers look bad, but they did get some decent players, which is more than can be said by the absolute trainwrecks of the Sharks/Sens.
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Well sure, there are only 600k people in the city of Las Vegas itself, but the metro area in total is quite a bit larger. I want to say at it's least 2 million people, so on par with cities like Pittsburgh, Columbus, San Jose, or Nashville, with the added bonus of millions and millions of tourists.
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Jamwad Hilder posted:Well sure, there are only 600k people in the city of Las Vegas itself, but the metro area in total is quite a bit larger. I want to say at it's least 2 million people, so on par with cities like Pittsburgh, Columbus, San Jose, or Nashville, with the added bonus of millions and millions of tourists. Oh oops, I googled like an idiot. Yeah, clark county has 2 million people. The tourist population is still hilariously lopsided though.
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Twin Cinema posted:I am sure someone else can answer this, but was there a change to the rules in expansion drafts between the period when the Sharks/Sens drafted and when the next four teams drafted? The Thrashers look bad, but they did get some decent players, which is more than can be said by the absolute trainwrecks of the Sharks/Sens. You can protect far fewer players now than you could in 1992, and people nearer the start of their careers are exempt. I remember being annoyed that some team with a pile of great goalies traded for some schmo just so they could expose him, but it really didn't matter because the rest of that team was horrifyingly bad anyway.
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Twin Cinema posted:I am sure someone else can answer this, but was there a change to the rules in expansion drafts between the period when the Sharks/Sens drafted and when the next four teams drafted? The Thrashers look bad, but they did get some decent players, which is more than can be said by the absolute trainwrecks of the Sharks/Sens. The changes don't seem too major. None of them had anything about salary rules since it's all pre-cap. In 1991 they could protect 2 goalies and 16 players. 92 was 2 goalies and 14 players. In 99 it was 1 goalie, 5 defense and 9 forwards or 2 goalies, 3 defense and 7 forwards. Atlanta just got luckier? Those still only gave them the bottom defenseman and 4th line. Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Mar 28, 2017 |
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Twin Cinema posted:I am sure someone else can answer this, but was there a change to the rules in expansion drafts between the period when the Sharks/Sens drafted and when the next four teams drafted? The Thrashers look bad, but they did get some decent players, which is more than can be said by the absolute trainwrecks of the Sharks/Sens. Teams could protect 16 skaters and 2 goaltenders in 91 and 14 skaters and 2 goalies in 92, so those teams were made up of literal garbage scraps. Even with just 14 players protected, that means that the best players available were 3rd pairing defencemen, 4th liners or third string goalies.
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xzzy posted:Oh oops, I googled like an idiot. Yeah, clark county has 2 million people. The tourist population is still hilariously lopsided though. Casinos will definitely be comping people to hockey games. There was talk on a sports radio show in Columbus yesterday about how the NFL will work in Vegas and one suggestion was road trips for fans. The example they used was a Browns fan wanting to see the Browns in December, but tying it into a trip to Las Vegas. I could definitely see a Florida/Tampa-style number of visiting NHL jerseys at Golden Knights games for the same reason, especially with fans who travel well and in numbers. e- How easy will it be for visiting fans? With new Delta service to Orange County starting in April, Las Vegas has non-stop air service to every NHL city except Ottawa, and some of them have more than one airline operating the route (i.e., Columbus-Las Vegas on Frontier and Southwest): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarran_International_Airport#Airlines_and_destinations CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Mar 28, 2017 |
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grack posted:They have one player with more than 40 points, no players with more than 17 goals, no goaltending, maybe two good defenseman, a miserable coach and a mind-bogglingly lovely GM. The Ryan O'Reilly trade was awful. They're paying Gabriel Landeskog 5.5M/year, Erik Johnson 6M/year, Carl Sodeberg 4.75M/year and Varlamov 5.9M/year. Is Landeskog as bad as his numbers? I mean, obviously, he's not a McDavid type who can just carry an offense by himself, but is there any evidence he could come close to deserving his salary as a secondary player on a team with a better system and support? $5.5M just doesn't seem AWFUL for a guy with a ~60 point ceiling. (That's what we play Brooks Orpik to crosscheck guys into Holtby!)
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Chad Sexington posted:Is Landeskog as bad as his numbers? I mean, obviously, he's not a McDavid type who can just carry an offense by himself, but is there any evidence he could come close to deserving his salary as a secondary player on a team with a better system and support?
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Chad Sexington posted:Is Landeskog as bad as his numbers? I mean, obviously, he's not a McDavid type who can just carry an offense by himself, but is there any evidence he could come close to deserving his salary as a secondary player on a team with a better system and support? The thing that has perplexed me has been Landeskog's gradually declining shot totals every year. Spring Break My Heart posted:I think it's a bit telling that all of Duchene, MacKinnon and Landeskog are putting up horror show seasons. I find it hard to believe that they all individually turned to dust overnight. Also, this. In his last 18 games, Duchene has 1 assist.
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They'll definitely have the opportunity to have the most talented expansion roster ever if they want to. e: I should amend that to "modern day" T-Bone fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Mar 28, 2017 |
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Mar 28, 2017 16:17
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CBJSprague24 posted:Casinos will definitely be comping people to hockey games. I've tacked on an Oilers game in a previously-arranged trip to Florida; the flight makes it prohibitively expensive (from this side of the continent) if that's the only reason you're going, though. But you can get a flight to Vegas for like $200.
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Tickets between Chicago and Las Vegas are easy to get at $100, $100 for a room, and $50 for a car.. that's less than getting decent 200 level seats to a Chicago home game. If I wanted to sit on the glass? It makes huge sense to spend a weekend in Vegas. So yeah the Knights should do just drat fine in terms of ticket sales.
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Suspicious posted:I am shocked, shocked I tell you, that a talented young forward found success after being rescued from the "system" of you-know-who Fair enough, although it's not like Colorado are particularly well coached
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Hopefully the Vegas arena is easier to get to from the strip than it is to go from Miami to Sunrise. Even when I lived in Florida and they were giving out free tickets to anyone with a driver's license, it was like, "Eh, the traffic though..."
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Chad Sexington posted:Hopefully the Vegas arena is easier to get to from the strip than it is to go from Miami to Sunrise. Even when I lived in Florida and they were giving out free tickets to anyone with a driver's license, it was like, "Eh, the traffic though..." It's right between I-15 and the MGM Grand. Looks pretty accessible.
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Chad Sexington posted:Hopefully the Vegas arena is easier to get to from the strip than it is to go from Miami to Sunrise. Even when I lived in Florida and they were giving out free tickets to anyone with a driver's license, it was like, "Eh, the traffic though..." The arena is right on the strip, but I believe it also has an entrance from the highway?
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Chad Sexington posted:Hopefully the Vegas arena is easier to get to from the strip than it is to go from Miami to Sunrise. Even when I lived in Florida and they were giving out free tickets to anyone with a driver's license, it was like, "Eh, the traffic though..." It's right next to it, walkable from everything down near MGM, New York New York, etc. efb
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Eddie Lack has been released from the hospital with only a neck strain. Thank God. That could have been a ton worse.
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The important question is did his pads survive or did the EMT's get enthusiastic with their scissors?
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A sizeable contingent of Jets fans seem to think they'll protect Lowry over Perreault in the expansion draft because 'Lowry is 6'5' which pretty conveniently leaves out the fact that 6'5 Adam Lowry is a far worse hockey player than 5'10 Matthieu Perreault. Perreault is on fire lately and his advanced statistics indicate he's a legitimate top line winger. I'll be so loving pissed if we gift him to Vegas.
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weird that no one picks grabner. i understand maybe taking raanta over him but i wouldn't pick holden or lindberg. also pretty nice coup to get brodin for free
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A Typical Goon posted:A sizeable contingent of Jets fans seem to think they'll protect Lowry over Perreault in the expansion draft because 'Lowry is 6'5' which pretty conveniently leaves out the fact that 6'5 Adam Lowry is a far worse hockey player than 5'10 Matthieu Perreault. Lowry is also 5 years younger and hardly some no talent hack. I'm all for advocating skill over size, but Perreault is a decent but unspectacular top six option while Lowry is a good, defensive third liner who provides a modicum of offence when needed. The Jets have a bunch of skilled guys, they're lacking depth. I'd still choose Perreault all things considered, but it's hardly a terrible option to pick Lowry over him.
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A Typical Goon posted:A sizeable contingent of Jets fans seem to think they'll protect Lowry over Perreault in the expansion draft because 'Lowry is 6'5' which pretty conveniently leaves out the fact that 6'5 Adam Lowry is a far worse hockey player than 5'10 Matthieu Perreault. Blues fans are doing this with Ryan Reaves and Magnus Paajarvi.
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And did I miss the buyout announcement or are they just all ignoring Murray?
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JoelJoel posted:And did I miss the buyout announcement or are they just all ignoring Murray? I guess they're operating under the assumption that the Penguins won't be complete fools
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Twin Cinema posted:I am sure someone else can answer this, but was there a change to the rules in expansion drafts between the period when the Sharks/Sens drafted and when the next four teams drafted? The Thrashers look bad, but they did get some decent players, which is more than can be said by the absolute trainwrecks of the Sharks/Sens. The Sharks weren't quite an expansion team. They were a result of The North Stars being split in two.
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A Typical Goon posted:A sizeable contingent of Jets fans seem to think they'll protect Lowry over Perreault in the expansion draft because 'Lowry is 6'5' which pretty conveniently leaves out the fact that 6'5 Adam Lowry is a far worse hockey player than 5'10 Matthieu Perreault. I miss that goofy bastard. 
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Ben Eager and Daniel Carcillo are coaching youth hockey.. together. http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170327/sports/170328906/ This Ben Eager: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPBmmWdKmto
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Oh yeah, that's something we overlooked. San Jose first had to stock up on North Stars players, then had competition for the other picks. Ottawa had to pick with Tampa. Atlanta was all alone.
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Does Landeskog's decline coincide with his concussion? With them being in the west I haven't paid a lot of attention to Colorado, but I remember reading his article for the players tribune and it seemed like it really set him back.
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xzzy posted:This Ben Eager: Holy moley, what a cheap shot.
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