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The first review via IndieWire has dropped: ‘Ghost in the Shell’ Review: Scarlett Johansson Stars in a Dazzling Reboot That Lacks Characterquote:Paramount’s all-new live-action reboot emerges as a dazzling logistical display with a missing file where the human interest might once have been stored.
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http://www.metacritic.com/movie/ghost-in-the-shell-2017 6 reviews are in, score: 64 Someone's head is gonna roll if it stays like that.
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 01:51 |
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I will still consider it a good movie if it retains the "1.5 hour music video" format that Tron: Legacy used.
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 02:24 |
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Woof Blitzer posted:I will still consider it a good movie if it retains the "1.5 hour music video" format that Tron: Legacy used. Tron: Legacy could have been so much better with just a smidge of script tightening.
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 02:28 |
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I think some of us predicted it was going to be okay, and so far the reviews have been 'okay'. So...we were right?
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 02:31 |
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I had money on 'forgettable' Does that count?
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 02:32 |
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Snowman_McK posted:I had money on 'forgettable' If that happens, we'll say that's a bonus.
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 02:33 |
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Junior Jr. posted:I think some of us predicted it was going to be okay, and so far the reviews have been 'okay'. That's what everybody expected, a "drink too much beer and watch blinkenlights" movie that is forgotten a week later, not just "some". Also the positive reviews stem from people who demonstrate they haven't seen the original.
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 03:01 |
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^^^ Those are the best kind of reviews. Reviews free of complaining that things are different (I say as someone who considers GitS95 one of his favorite films). Dazzlingly pretty but without narrative meat is the message I think everyone was getting. I'm perfectly okay with eye candy and a Clint Mansell soundtrack. When the imagery is on the this level, I'm willing to forgive a lot. Seeing it in about nine hours.
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Woof Blitzer posted:I will still consider it a good movie if it retains the "1.5 hour music video" format that Tron: Legacy used. I have that same opinion. Legacy was a great music video. I'm seeing this in a few days and I'll be ok with good eye candy and sound design.
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 03:19 |
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Mithaldu posted:That's what everybody expected, a "drink too much beer and watch blinkenlights" movie that is forgotten a week later, not just "some". Yeah, it's really funny on Rotten Tomatoes, Mike McCahill's IndieWire review is the top spot, which is the most damning with praise review I've seen in awhile. It's funny that review has a B- on the site but is treated on both Metacritic and RT as 67%
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 03:38 |
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In a way i feel it is deserved, they could have named it something else and would be scored entirely on their own merits, but they couldn't refuse that sweet brand recognition.
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 03:42 |
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Whoa holy crap this isn't cyber Citizen Kane, I'll take my hard earned simoleans somewhere else!! - someone ITT probably
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 03:45 |
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Mithaldu posted:In a way i feel it is deserved, they could have named it something else and would be scored entirely on their own merits, but they couldn't refuse that sweet brand recognition. Well, no it couldn't, it's not that far removed. You can't recreate the iconic sequences in this detail and not have a lawsuit. It's GitS re-imagined as an spectacle based action film and it should be judged on those merits. Not by complaining that it isn't like whichever of the previous iterations the viewer liked. This franchise in particular is well suited to this kind of metamorphosis, as it's shifted styles and genres heavily with each new adaptation. The personalities change, the tone changes, the plots change. The basic themes, images, and sequences remain. Taking those elements and transposing them to a new genre is exactly what a new GitS should be.
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 04:02 |
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GITS : Lady Robocop would've been a fine title and trimmed expectations.
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 04:07 |
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Mithaldu posted:In a way i feel it is deserved, they could have named it something else and would be scored entirely on their own merits, but they couldn't refuse that sweet brand recognition. You've got it backwards: Brand loyalty is bad, and one should look past its superficial content in order to judge something on its own merits, otherwise one is merely being willfully prejudiced. Your claims as to what the filmmakers "deserved" is a fundamentally anti-critical stance. You can either care about the potential merits of a work and critically appraising them, or you can be earnest that reactionary emotions to superficial content was all that mattered, and that you are not actually engaged in the project of criticism at all.
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 04:09 |
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Bugblatter posted:Well, no it couldn't, it's not that far removed. You can't recreate the iconic sequences in this detail and not have a lawsuit. Ummm... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3tF7TL0Qh4&t=91s
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 04:11 |
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Are you ever actually going to make an effort or are you content with being a fifth-rate smg?
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 04:16 |
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Mithaldu posted:Are you ever actually going to make an effort or are you content with being a fifth-rate smg? See, this is the sputtering nonsense that I'm talking about. What does smg have to do with anything? I have only repeated your claim that merit matters less than brand, but pointed out that merit should be above brand, above nostalgia for the good times you had with that particular act of consumption.
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 04:30 |
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Anybody seen it yet?
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 05:15 |
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Those are some similar shots and homages. This film is literally recreating the tank fight, garbage truck chase, canal fight, killer geishas, and building dive all in one movie. Mithaldu posted:Are you ever actually going to make an effort or are you content with being a fifth-rate smg? He stated a not uncommon stance on the critical approach?
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 05:15 |
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Nevermind I'm a dumbass.
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 05:20 |
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Brand loyalty does matter. I'll go see a Star Trek movie even if it looks terrible, because even if it really is terrible, more sales means more chance they'll make another one that might be better.
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 05:21 |
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Mithaldu posted:In a way i feel it is deserved, they could have named it something else and would be scored entirely on their own merits, but they couldn't refuse that sweet brand recognition. You're allowed to judge the film based on it's own merits, regardless of what brand are attached to it. You don't need to ask permission.
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 05:21 |
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Mithaldu posted:Are you ever actually going to make an effort or are you content with being a fifth-rate smg? K.Waste is pretty alright.
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 05:32 |
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Bugblatter posted:Well, no it couldn't, it's not that far removed. You can't recreate the iconic sequences in this detail and not have a lawsuit. So, they could have made their own movie, but they would have had to come up with their own action set pieces rather than recreating them, but somehow doing them worse. You're not making a very good case for the idea that this needed to be GITS movie.
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 06:34 |
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Snowman_McK posted:So, they could have made their own movie, but they would have had to come up with their own action set pieces rather than recreating them, but somehow doing them worse. You're not making a very good case for the idea that this needed to be GITS movie. Sure, they could have... made a completely different movie? Or they could have made an adaptation, which they did. Adaptations are cool and good when they explore new territory with familiar elements. GitS has been popcorn narratives with slapstick humor and technogeek daydreaming, moody philosophical intrigue, and a police procedural that posed speculative ethical questions. Now it's a action film with superhero leanings. This is just carrying on the tradition. Bugblatter fucked around with this message at 07:34 on Mar 29, 2017 |
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FuturePastNow posted:Brand loyalty does matter. I'll go see a Star Trek movie even if it looks terrible, because even if it really is terrible, more sales means more chance they'll make another one that might be better. What? It doesn't work like that! If a movie has less sales, that should mean there's something wrong with it and the production company behind it should take notice when making a better film. More sales just means you want more of the same lovely movie. Bugblatter posted:Sure, they could have... made a completely different movie? Or they could have made an adaptation, which they did. I think one of the points in GITS 1995 is that it focused on the Puppet Master and NOT on Kusanagi, yes there are a couple of scenes where she gets philosophical with Batou but that's it. The story was about the Puppet Master, not the Major, that's why you know little about her back story because it makes her more mysterious and apparently 'less is more'. Besides if you really wanted to know what she's like off-duty, that's what the manga told. Junior Jr. fucked around with this message at 09:25 on Mar 29, 2017 |
# ? Mar 29, 2017 09:14 |
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Sorry, forgot to edit this into my previous post.
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 09:25 |
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HIJK posted:Anybody seen it yet?
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 10:01 |
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Josh Lyman posted:I guess I could take one for the team and attend a screening at a small art cinema theater tonight. Please get a picture of the art cinema's ticket seller when you ask for the ticket.
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 10:07 |
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I'm seeing it in about an hour. I'm not taking a picture of any theater staff, as if they give two shits what movies the customers see.
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 10:36 |
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Bugblatter posted:He stated a not uncommon stance on the critical approach?
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 13:14 |
Total Film and Empire both awarded 3/5. Seems to be generally getting 3's or 4's. Conclusion is it's pretty but doesn't do anything new. quote:Why, given that Sexy Fighting Robot Lady, has a Barbie body, does she bother with underpants and clothes in some scenes but not in others? Do Donald Duck rules apply? Irish Times with the hard hitting questions there.
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 13:28 |
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Saw it. Visually, audibly, fantastic. I was pleased that it's a much slower moody burn than prerelease material indicated. The cast was mostly solid. I'll call it the best cyberpunk world yet depicted in live action. Not that there's much else out there, but the setting is extremely good and well realized. The writing is the weak link, as everyone guessed. It starts fine, but is never reaches a point that is compelling. The elephant in the room aside, the only offensively bad part is the villain who is so thinly written as to be pointless. Would have been better left a faceless corporation. You've all already guessed every beat of the plot, except maybe the fact that Kuze is also playing the role of The Puppet Master. Although it serves no significance beyond possible sequel material A handful of key scenes are really excellent. The scenes released online are poor indication of the final film's style. The "first five minutes" are neither the start of the film, nor is that sequence only five minutes. The advertisers essentially edited a more action packed cliff-notes version of the scene. Same goes for the canal fight. I'll see it again in cinemas, as the experience of the world and its mood really drew me in, and it's worth the big screen. I'd like a sequel set in this world... a script that was less vapid. I'm not going to evaluate it with stars or anything. If you're the kind of person that could get lost in Tron or the theatrical cut of Blade Runner, you'll find a lot to like. I'm pretty sure you already know if that description fits you or not. Regarding the weird underwear nitpick above... I guess they mean the outfit she wears in her apartment? She treats clothes like a normal human. She's wearing a stealth suit in most other scenes, I guess the reviewer misidentified that as her body. (Her body, seen during the shelling and when she strips out of her wetsuit, looks completely different.) Bugblatter fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Mar 29, 2017 |
# ? Mar 29, 2017 14:11 |
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At this point i'd be happy if it was as pretty as Battleship. How does it compare to that?
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 14:13 |
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I recall Battleship being kind of bland to look at? I barely remember it though. This movie is gorgeous. Edit: One potentially big disappointment to get out of the way: The original theme does not play until the end credits. Not evening for the shelling. Although Clint Mansell's theme is also nice. Edit 2: The more I think back to scenes, the more I remember ones in the first half that I really loved. In fact during the first third I remember being shocked at how much I was loving so much of it. The final act is so limp it kind of made the whole plot feel bland, I guess... these are really immediate impressions. The movie ended like 30 minutes ago. Bugblatter fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Mar 29, 2017 |
# ? Mar 29, 2017 14:16 |
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Battleship was dumb as hell and pretty as hell, kinda like a kojima movie where all the writing went into nice art.
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# ? Mar 29, 2017 14:19 |
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Bugblatter posted:The scenes released online are poor indication of the final film's style. The "first five minutes" are neither the start of the film, nor is that sequence only five minutes. The advertisers essentially edited a more action packed cliff-notes version of the scene. Same goes for the canal fight. Very glad to read this, because the previews for those two scenes looked stilted and choppy as hell. Did you see this in 2D or 3D? Seems like 3D might be worth it? Currently at 68% on RT with 23 reviews in. Teek fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Mar 29, 2017 |
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I might consider checking this out, only because I'm making the most out of my gift card, will report back soon. Also, if they don't even play King of My Castle somewhere as an easter egg, I'm going to be very disappointed.
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