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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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Doesn't that say the European Parliament rather than the Council? edit: 1947 - the Doomsday Clock of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists is introduced, indicating how close the world is to global catastrophe. Its a couple of minutes slow
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TinTower posted:I could imagine the nuclear industry are currently consulting lawyers, as the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Act 2017 does not confer upon the Prime Minister the power to invoke Article 106a of the Euratom Treaty.
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Mar 29, 2017 13:48
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Comrade Cheggorsky posted:i wouldn't completely write off the lib dems just yet, we haven't even seen Tim Farrons final form Who the hell is 'Tim Farron'?
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Mar 29, 2017 13:48
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El Grillo posted:There's at least some opinion that exiting the EU pretty much necessitates leaving Euratom (haven't had time to check this guy's reasoning though): http://eulawanalysis.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/the-uk-brexits-euratom-legal-framework.html?m=1
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Mar 29, 2017 13:49
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https://twitter.com/girlgeeks/status/847030805381758977 Tigey posted:Doesn't that say the European Parliament rather than the Council? As the Parliament has a veto over the deal, the difference is academic, but the Council won't give in either. El Grillo posted:There's at least some opinion that exiting the EU pretty much necessitates leaving Euratom (haven't had time to check this guy's reasoning though): http://eulawanalysis.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/the-uk-brexits-euratom-legal-framework.html?m=1 The problem for May is that she explicitly invoked Article 106a despite no legislation conferring the power upon her to do so. The prospect of this risking judicial review was actually brought up in Parliament, for what it's worth. If she didn't mention it, it would be harder for the nuclear industry to challenge Euratomxit.
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Mar 29, 2017 13:52
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jBrereton posted:Everyone involved is hoping that the handful of old, egotistical white men negotiating on both sides don't gently caress everything up for millions of other people they don't know/care about, hope that helps. I honesty don't know any Europeans that are pro EU. Pro Europe yes, pro EU not really.
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Mar 29, 2017 13:53
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https://twitter.com/peston/status/847055352428421120 Take Back Control!™
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Mar 29, 2017 14:00
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Collateral posted:I honesty don't know any Europeans that are pro EU. Pro Europe yes, pro EU not really. I'm unreservedly pro-EU. Number of people in this thread are pro-EU (or like 96% of the EU anyway), and they are still europeans too (for now).
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Mar 29, 2017 14:04
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Spuckuk posted:Who the hell is 'Tim Farron'? AKA 'Don't know', he's actually polling very well.
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Mar 29, 2017 14:04
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Pesto please do not make a bonfire happen by sending us out into the WTO wilderness Northern Rock collapse, """very funny"""", a second time is unforgivable.
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Mar 29, 2017 14:04
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Private Speech posted:I'm unreservedly pro-EU. Number of people in this thread are pro-EU (or like 96% of the EU anyway), and they are still europeans too (for now). Pretty sure the UK will still be located in Europe after Brexit e: also, I'm Irish and I don't know a single person who is anti-EU
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Mar 29, 2017 14:06
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Pretty sure the UK will still be located in Europe after Brexit Never lose faith in the power of creative thinking and longing to be an island in the middle of the Atlantic. The pontoons will begin construction in a few months, mark my words. 
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Mar 29, 2017 14:08
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TinTower posted:https://twitter.com/peston/status/847055352428421120 i don't think anyone except genuinely insane people thought otherwise?
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Mar 29, 2017 14:08
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Jose posted:i don't think anyone except genuinely insane people thought otherwise? So everyone that voted to leave then?
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Mar 29, 2017 14:09
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Jose posted:i don't think anyone except genuinely insane people thought otherwise? Eh I think the regulations controlling the quality of produce and how it can be marketed, whoops I mean the benditude of bananas, will be abolished in the UK market eventually. They'll just stick a sticker on them when exporting to the EU, as do plenty of other countries anyway. Whether this is a victory for the British people on the other hand, well.
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Mar 29, 2017 14:12
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WMain00 posted:So everyone that voted to leave then? Yeah; after all, the Daily Telegraph is wanking itself silly over the idea of literally burning their money away with incandescent lightbulbs.
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Mar 29, 2017 14:14
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Private Speech posted:Whether this is a victory for the British people on the other hand, well. Well, those "Made in the UK" stickers will be a convenient way for British people to avoid substandard produce, packaged by zero-hour contractors. A kind of reverse Free Trade symbol
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Mar 29, 2017 14:16
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jBrereton posted:As this guy states, "The Euratom treaty is a separate treaty from the treaty which initially created what was the European Economic Community (EEC) – now known as the European Union (EU). Equally, Euratom is a separate international organisation from the EU." - hence why she didn't have to leave. TinTower posted:The problem for May is that she explicitly invoked Article 106a despite no legislation conferring the power upon her to do so. The prospect of this risking judicial review was actually brought up in Parliament, for what it's worth.
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Mar 29, 2017 14:17
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The European Parliament has leaked its initial stance on the Brexit negotiations: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/29/first-eu-response-to-article-50-takes-tough-line-on-transitional-dealquote:The chamber’s general principles for the coming talks include that:
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Mar 29, 2017 14:18
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Collateral posted:Anybody here who is close to any kind of news/info outlet/an EU official, who can answer me a question? The scary thing is that nobody really knows what is going to happen.
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Mar 29, 2017 14:22
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El Grillo posted:Read the rest of the blog post. It's not that simple. Euratom is a distinct legal entity from the EU but in practice it's run by the EU institutions, meaning involvement in Euratom necessitates direct participation in those institutions (so the blog above argues). Both government lawyers and independent lawyers are rather sketchy on whether she actually does have the power to invoke Article 106a, as was pointed out in Parliament on Report . Lord Teverson (LD) posted:My main point is that legally—this is a certainty—Euratom is not part of the European Union; it is a legally separate entity. As I am sure all noble Lords will remember, the referendum question was whether the United Kingdom should remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union. It did not in any way mention Euratom and nor was Euratom part of the parliamentary debate that took place during the passage of the referendum Bill. They are separate legal entities. Indeed, when I have been in discussion with some government Ministers, one of their concerns has been that giving notice on Euratom will in some way leave the Article 50 notification open to challenge.
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Mar 29, 2017 14:23
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LemonDrizzle posted:The European Parliament has leaked its initial stance on the Brexit negotiations: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/29/first-eu-response-to-article-50-takes-tough-line-on-transitional-deal hahahahahahahhahahahahah love it. the tories are going to lose the city of london.
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Mar 29, 2017 14:26
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The anthem for any campaign to rejoin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz1Jwyxd4tE
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Mar 29, 2017 14:29
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So where can I apply to become an EU Citizen? 
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Mar 29, 2017 14:32
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I think there's one serious question that needs to be asked in any moment of nationalism. Is London the 6th Rome?!?? There's the whole Jesus on English hills thing, and it was one of the last western Roman cities after all, so.
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Mar 29, 2017 14:34
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Collateral posted:I honesty don't know any Europeans that are pro EU. Pro Europe yes, pro EU not really. Most Europeans I know are pro-EU and I live on the mainland. The anti-EU crowd tends to be the "old men whining about not being taken seriously" and "racists". There's substantial overlap. I've never heard anyone say EU's perfect, just better than not having it, given the rich and varied history of loving other countries over. The EU at least slows it down.
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Mar 29, 2017 14:34
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So right now is probably the worst imaginable time to start a new small business in the uk right?
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Mar 29, 2017 14:35
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it depends what the business is really and where you're starting it
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Mar 29, 2017 14:36
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I dunno I'd say 1940 was a pretty bad time for it.
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Mar 29, 2017 14:37
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TinTower posted:Both government lawyers and independent lawyers are rather sketchy on whether she actually does have the power to invoke Article 106a, as was pointed out in Parliament on Report .
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Mar 29, 2017 14:37
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endlessmonotony posted:Most Europeans I know are pro-EU and I live on the mainland. The anti-EU crowd tends to be the "old men whining about not being taken seriously" and "racists". There's substantial overlap. A perfect analogy: The EU's like vaccinations. Nobody especially likes it, but most people go along with it and nobody trusts the loons who say we should opt out!
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Mar 29, 2017 14:39
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lol it's amazing how many ways Britain just hosed itself for no reason. Guys, please don't put matters of geostrategic life and death to a plebiscite, you'd be surprised how dumb people can be.
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Mar 29, 2017 14:40
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Al-Saqr posted:lol it's amazing how many ways Britain just hosed itself for no reason. Are you talking about the American election here.
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Mar 29, 2017 14:41
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Private Speech posted:Are you talking about the American election here. Yes. lol we're all doomed.
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Mar 29, 2017 14:43
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endlessmonotony posted:A perfect analogy: The EU's like vaccinations. Nobody especially likes it, but most people go along with it and nobody trusts the loons who say we should opt out! "Wee small country has a referendum on bringing back smallpox - the results will surprise you!"
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Mar 29, 2017 14:42
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jBrereton posted:I dunno I'd say 1940 was a pretty bad time for it. Or starting a slave-trading business in early 1833.
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Mar 29, 2017 14:42
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TinTower posted:The anthem for any campaign to rejoin: What makes this even better is that they're from an EU member state.
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Mar 29, 2017 14:45
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remember when the dutch put an international economic treaty to a referemendum lol
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Mar 29, 2017 14:46
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Pochoclo posted:"Wee small country has a referendum on bringing back smallpox - the results will surprise you!"
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Kurtofan posted:remember when the dutch put an international economic treaty to a referemendum lol
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