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Tae posted:90% of the female links are dateable.
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FractalSandwich posted:This seems like a good time to mention that I'm unironically mad about this game's gender politics.
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Mar 31, 2017 01:52
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Oh yeah P4-5 have terrible gender and sexuality politics, it's really one of the big things that mar my love for the series. Unfortunately Japanese pop-culture and whomever took over writing from Satomi Tadashi thinks that gay people are an insane caricature or inherently funny.
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Mar 31, 2017 01:54
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Neeksy posted:Japanese pop-culture thinks that gay people are an insane caricature or inherently funny.
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Mar 31, 2017 01:58
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Endorph posted:it doesn't. persona is just uniquely bad about it. there's plenty of mainstream jp stuff that treats gay people okay or even well. persona is just regressive in its politics when it comes to sexuality, even by japanese standards. Yeah, that's pretty bullshit. There are works in Japan that are gay-friendly but there's a lot more that take the exact same attitude or significantly worse, and an uncomfortable number that are only gay friendly because it lets them draw girls kissing while they treat gay men like poo poo. There's plenty of room to criticize Persona but when you start pulling "no, it's UNIQUELY BAD even for Japan" then you're tossing out some bullshit.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:06
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im not saying there's literally no other works in japan that are bad about this kind of thing or that persona is way below the standard - there's stuff that's way more regressive than it -, but i am saying it is worse than the average jrpg about this kind of thing.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:10
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Endorph posted:im not saying there's literally no other works in japan that are bad about this kind of thing or that persona is way below the standard - there's stuff that's way more regressive than it -, but i am saying it is worse than the average jrpg about this kind of thing. That is in fact what uniquely bad means, Endorph. And no, that's pretty bullshit. JRPGs at best are lesbian friendly. The number of JRPGs that actually acknowledge gay men exist, let alone don't portray them as hedonists, monsters, or other offensive stereotypes is pretty goddamn rock bottom. There are ones that do but they are few and far between and almost exclusively with minor side characters who most people even miss existing.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:18
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okay so even by that standard persona 4 and 5 are worse than usual because there are no lesbians in them
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Mar 31, 2017 02:21
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Endorph posted:okay so even by that standard persona 4 and 5 are worse than usual because there are no lesbians in them I'm pretty sure there are in fact lesbian NPCs in Persona 5.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:22
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can i have one of them date ann and the other date futaba
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Mar 31, 2017 02:21
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Dryzen requested I inform you about my soon to be sore rear end from the diablo sauce I am pouring on my taco bell food.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:21
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Captain Baal posted:Dryzen requested I inform you about my soon to be sore rear end from the diablo sauce I am pouring on my taco bell food.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:23
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Endorph posted:your rear end is, at best, lesbian *said like im spitting venom* friendly Oh, I'm sorry Endorph, are you doing the thing where you have a whiny snitfit and then get angry when you're treated the same way?
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Mar 31, 2017 02:23
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Endorph posted:your rear end is, at best, lesbian *said like im spitting venom* friendly His rear end accommodates all people no matter their race, sexuality, or religion
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Mar 31, 2017 02:23
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you didnt answer if the lesbian npcs can date futaba or not
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Mar 31, 2017 02:25
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How is futaba pronounced because is it supposed to rhyme with alibaba
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Mar 31, 2017 02:25
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Endorph posted:you didnt answer if the lesbian npcs can date futaba or not No, Endorph, you can't. Unfortunately the same applies to most JRPGs so I'm curious where the uniquely bad element is here.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:25
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It's kind of disappointing that Persona doesn't handle LGBTQ stuff better. Persona 4 had two characters perfect for it. One hated the masculine and feminine views in Japan and the other was straight-up fed up with the institutionalized sexism. One wanted just to make cute dolls and other things and the other wanted to be respected for doing the job any man could. You'd think people writing about that would have a bit more progressive or open views on homosexuality. Yakuza suffers from the same thing. Except it's with women. And I say this as someone who freaking loves Yakuza 0.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:26
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Tae posted:How is futaba pronounced because is it supposed to rhyme with alibaba
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Mar 31, 2017 02:27
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Tae posted:How is futaba pronounced because is it supposed to rhyme with alibaba In Japanese they would rhyme because of how quick the syllables are said, but in English they're not gonna sound exactly the same
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Mar 31, 2017 02:27
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Yes hello I am an expert on Japan due to my consumption of anime and JRPGs and I can tell you that Personas stance of largely ignoring gay people and occasionally cracking a lovely joke is very regressive even relative to mainstream Japanese discourse on sexuality. It is shameful.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:29
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A work only having lesbians in it at this point honestly isn't that progressive either if they're just blatant fanservice. I'd honestly dock points before I'd hand them out if it seems like the only gay-friendly thing in a game is "the ladies kiss." Not that I'm some arbiter of acceptable gayness or whatever. Nier handled it pretty well though.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:28
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ImpAtom posted:No, Endorph, you can't. Unfortunately the same applies to most JRPGs so I'm curious where the uniquely bad element is here. Captain Baal posted:In Japanese they would rhyme because of how quick the syllables are said, but in English they're not gonna sound exactly the same Arist posted:A work only having lesbians in it at this point honestly isn't that progressive either if they're just blatant fanservice. Endorph fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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Mar 31, 2017 02:29
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Also yes, it was Alibaba in Japanese too One of the best parts of the JP version is hearing Morgana say ALIBABA
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Mar 31, 2017 02:30
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Endorph posted:the prob. is one person looks at lesbians making out and sees blatant fanservice and another person looks at it and sees representation that they're happy with. this is fine as all people have different views and opinions on sexuality/gender and how it should be depicted but when the former is a straight dude and the latter is a lesbian and they have an argument about it, it gets weird. Makin' a lot of assumptions here.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:34
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ImpAtom posted:Makin' a lot of assumptions here.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:35
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Endorph posted:i was not talking about you. i dont mean that in a lovely way i mean that sincerely, i can see how you'd get that impression but i was just talking generally. Fair enough, I misread! Edit: Also I'm sorry if I came across as a dick because I didn't mean to. I read back over my earlier posts and they're infinitely more heated than I intended. I think I'm pissed off about other stuff and let it bleed through. Sorry both to you and to the thread for making a thing. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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Mar 31, 2017 02:35
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no worries, this kind of thing can get heated in general and i can get that. for what it's worth even when i disagree with you i think you're usually pretty good at explaining yourself and coming from a sincere place so dont take this as me trying to own you or whatever.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:38
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I was wondering why Futaba sounded familiar, and it turns out she was in the other jrpgs I played the past 2 months. Busy girl. I'm surprised at how she sounds, I expected a lot more erratic and higher pitch, but she's basically Magilou at 75% which is nice.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:39
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Endorph posted:no worries, this kind of thing can get heated in general and i can get that. for what it's worth even when i disagree with you i think you're usually pretty good at explaining yourself and coming from a sincere place so dont take this as me trying to own you or whatever. All good. Sorry again. Tae posted:I was wondering why Futaba sounded familiar, and it turns out she was in the other jrpgs I played the past 2 months. Busy girl. Huh, that's who they got for her? I haven't been paying attention but that sounds like a good choice.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:41
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ImpAtom posted:Huh, that's who they got for her? I haven't been paying attention but that sounds like a good choice. Magilou's so good, haven't heard much of her Futaba voice but Erica Lindbeck's pretty great.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:42
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i liked her performance as magilou but im still mad about the lack of an accent. that's a direction/localization thing and not an acting thing tho.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:43
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They probably didn't have any gay scenes to meet its 15+ rating in Japan.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:42
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ImpAtom posted:Huh, that's who they got for her? I haven't been paying attention but that sounds like a good choice. I would say, as someone that's incredibly picky because of background in doing grunt dub audio scrubwork, the P5 cast has been absolutely fantastic. The only, only person I hesitate on so far (After just getting Futaba) is Ichiko and I can't tell if Amanda Win Lee is supposed to be drunk or something.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:44
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Erica Lindbeck as Futaba was one of the voice choices I liked actually, because she's v good even if I was introduced to her through a... questionable video game.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:52
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Endorph posted:this seems like a good time to mention that i unironically want to gently caress tae takami, sadayo kawakami, and sae niijima same except haru instead of sae
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Mar 31, 2017 03:01
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So can anyone who's playing now/played the JP version comment on what difficulty levels are available and how they compare to P4? Is P5 like P4 in that the beginning of the game is the hardest part because all your personas are poo poo? I know P4 wasn't a hugely difficult game but I'm curious if I should just start on Hard or whatever they're calling it.
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Mar 31, 2017 04:09
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the late game stuff is probably the hardest just because it's when the game starts throwing around midbosses with huge health pools and instant death spells
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Mar 31, 2017 04:09
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:So can anyone who's playing now/played the JP version comment on what difficulty levels are available and how they compare to P4? Is P5 like P4 in that the beginning of the game is the hardest part because all your personas are poo poo? The early game is the hardest because your resources are your most compromised at that point, but the first boss is beyond piss easy. You will struggle more with keeping your resources afloat for an entire dungeon crawl than you will with any enemies in the game. Mind you, you will sometimes have your MC killed out of nowhere and that is basically all of the game's difficulty. None of the bosses in particular are difficult except maybe the secret boss who I never got around to fighting.
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drinking your like five 1000yen soda for 10SP a can and barely having any money for stat raising poo poo is extremely Persona these daysCaptain Baal posted:Mind you, you will sometimes have your MC killed out of nowhere and that is basically all of the game's difficulty.
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