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It's less that and more that TIEs without upgrades suck rear end, so even average/mediocre ships are going to wreck their faces without them.
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StealthBus posted:So just by accident (picking the ships I had and liked the look of) I've ended up with a squad that's the best there is playing without upgrades ? For a little while four naked Blue Squadron B-Wings with a lone Bandit Z-95 Headhunter was a viable tournament list.
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The academy pilot is actually one of the best no-upgrade ships in the game, along with the bandit squadron pilot. BTW, i've heard it mentioned that the Rogue One stuff got playtested for quite a while under different names. "Jyn Erso" was "huntress" in playtesting. This is probably why some characters/abilities don't really seem to match.
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The TIE is one of the most baseline efficient ships on a points per attack/agility/hull/shield point basis. Well flown TIE Swarms are very good, but no one runs naked TIEs anymore for good reason. They're incredibly fragile and anemic on a per shot basis.
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Strobe posted:The TIE is one of the most baseline efficient ships on a points per attack/agility/hull/shield point basis. Well flown TIE Swarms are very good, but no one runs naked TIEs anymore for good reason. They're incredibly fragile and anemic on a per shot basis. I assumed that the thing that made it difficult is if I do 3 points of damage to one of his ships I eliminate 2 attack dice whereas he has to do 8 points of damage to me to impact on my available hit dice.
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Yeah that's part of it. The other part is that Attack > Agility in terms of raw dice efficiency, and three red dice will do more damage to three green dice than two red dice will do to one green die when combined with that.
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The reason tie swarms take crackshot now has more to do with keeping up with the attack joneses than anything else. You can still get seven ties with 4 crackshots. But yeah, the attack inflation has made it more difficult to run swarm ships and straight-up jousters in general.
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AndyElusive posted:Kilrathi Fighter? Dralthi swarm.
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I don't know how I missed the no upgrades the first time I read it, but I don't get why you're playing without upgrades. If you're trying to reduce complexity by not having a bunch of triggers and abilities to remember, flying a TIE swarm with named pilots is the opposite of that.
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TheCenturion posted:Dralthi swarm. 4 Dralthi and 1 Salthi (Bhurak Starkiller) Swarm. Now I'm legit surprised no one on the internet has homebrewed a flight path Wing Commander game or even tried to shoehorn them into X-Wing. edit: at least nothing that bunnyofdoom has found yet. AndyElusive fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Apr 2, 2017 |
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Apr 2, 2017 02:56
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friends the wait for the perfect alt art dash is over i present to you my masterpiece 
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absolutely incredible
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I must have one.
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Apr 2, 2017 06:35
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Anyone have any info on the Brazilian Nationals? They should be going on this weekend.
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So I got this some time ago, and played a dozen games with friends and now I'm hooked and looking get some new stuff so I need some advice, mostly for playing with friends but maybe also a local tournament or two. I have original (not TFA) core set TIE Interceptor expansion TIE Defender A-Wing Z-95 B-Wing To buy Heroes of the Resistance pack or get YT-1300 and T-70 X-Wing pack separately? And is Sabine's TIE useful in current meta? I love how batshit that thing looks.
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Raged posted:Anyone have any info on the Brazilian Nationals? They should be going on this weekend. Yeah, I'm in the Xwing group, reading through the chat logs now. I can tell you a rage Youngster and 7 academies made the top 16 cut. André Ripoli, last year's champ was 17th. Top 16 games will be played out tomorrow! Another cool top 16 list. Jess Pava, 2Z, 2Y (one stress, one not).At least one Kanan Biggs. Edit 2: Because of a mess up with scheduling it too early apparently their prizes are a little different. Disney hasn't approved the official Nationals prizes yet. So there it was BB8 for everyone, bunch of alt arts for other prizes. Looks like the top players will get their kits sent out once they arrive. Black acrylic with purple/blue. Rulers and shields. hoiyes fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Apr 2, 2017 |
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hoiyes posted:rage Youngster and 7 academies made the top 16 cut. My God!
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Haha yeah, he's a really top bloke too, one of the original core group of players/organiser/helpers in São Paulo. He's been flying tie swarms at every event for a while now. I played him and his swarm at the last regionals and won pretty comfortably. The weird thing is, that for a dedicated swarm player, he just doesn't really rate Howlrunner OR crackshot. I tried to convince him otherwise but he wanted to stick at making Youngster work. I'm glad to hear it's finally paying off for him.
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Improbable Lobster posted:I want a Rogue One box that's inexplicably Scum and Villainy themed TBH you could make a perfectly defensible case for Saw's partisans as S&V.
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As far as I can tell, top 4 of Brazil national is: Jess Pava ZZYY, Asajj YY, Fenn double Jump, and Triple Defender.
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hoiyes posted:As far as I can tell, top 4 of Brazil national is: Jess Pava ZZYY, Asajj YY, Fenn double Jump, and Triple Defender. Really hoped that the guy flying Youngster and 7 academy would have won. It takes balls to be able to run a list like that for so many games.
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I've tried the Fenn double U Boat and have had no success. Asajj double Y sounds like it could be fun, though.
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Slandible posted:I've tried the Fenn double U Boat and have had no success. Asajj double Y sounds like it could be fun, though. Asajj double Y is what Paul Heaver took to worlds and I think it's pretty good, though it takes some finesse and discipline to play well.
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hoiyes posted:As far as I can tell, top 4 of Brazil national is: Jess Pava ZZYY, Asajj YY, Fenn double Jump, and Triple Defender. So, the triple defender list was actually eliminated in top 8 by Vader, Inq, palp, which ended up winning everything. Final was that v fenn JJ, Fenn took a ps0 crit early thanks to palpatine and that was decisive. The same guy was runner up at last year's national too.
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Panzeh posted:Asajj double Y is what Paul Heaver took to worlds and I think it's pretty good, though it takes some finesse and discipline to play well. Do you know if he is running Latts for survivability, or Dengar for damage output?
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Slandible posted:Do you know if he is running Latts for survivability, or Dengar for damage output? Fairly certain it was this: Asajj Ventress (50) - Lancer-class Pursuit Craft Push The Limit (3), Latts Razzi (2), Black Market Slicer Tools (1), Shadow Caster (3), Engine Upgrade (4) Syndicate Thug (25) - Y-Wing Twin Laser Turret (6), Unhinged Astromech (1) Syndicate Thug (25) - Y-Wing Twin Laser Turret (6), Unhinged Astromech (1)
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ConfusedUs posted:Roark Garnet (19) When running this list how do you keep Rex in formation since he does not have a one forward?
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Raged posted:When running this list how do you keep Rex in formation since he does not have a one forward? Keep him in back and bump. At least until he needs to start using BMST.
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Ran that Roark jank list today. Really cool how few actions you need, especially before shooting. You can bump everyone and still end up with a token or two on Biggs thanks to Operations Specialist. I went 3-0 with it today against Old Fennaroo, RAC/QuickDraw, and Fenn with 2 torp boats. I didn't use the bomb, so I wonder if those two points are better used elsewhere, though it's hard to tell if just having the bomb forced my opponents to chose different maneuvers.
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So I just ran an XX Y list against inquisitior, Vader, whisper. Nuked inquisitior and Vader pretty quick and had an untouched Y and two half health Xs, but I lost because I couldn't land hits on whisper. At the end he only had one Hull. It was my first time playing against something that cloaks. What kind of tactics should I use against a ship like that? There were multiple times where I was shooting with all 3 ships but his 4 evade dice knocked out all the hits I had. Also, this was my list. T-70 X-Wing: •"Snap" Wexley (35) Integrated Astromech (0) Push the Limit (3) •BB-8 (2) Pattern Analyzer (2) Y-Wing: •"Dutch" Vander (31) Ion Cannon Turret (5) •M9-G8 (3) T-70 X-Wing: •"Blue Ace" (34) Integrated Astromech (0) Plasma Torpedoes (3) •R7-T1 (3) Primed Thrusters (1) Total: 100/100
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Cobaltshift posted:So I just ran an XX Y list against inquisitior, Vader, whisper. Nuked inquisitior and Vader pretty quick and had an untouched Y and two half health Xs, but I lost because I couldn't land hits on whisper. At the end he only had one Hull. It was my first time playing against something that cloaks. What kind of tactics should I use against a ship like that? There were multiple times where I was shooting with all 3 ships but his 4 evade dice knocked out all the hits I had. Against Phantoms, the best thing to do is to have someone with a higher PS that can shoot them before they re-cloak. For your list, the easiest thing to do would probably be to swap out Blue Ace for PS9 Poe and shuffle the upgrades on Snap and Dutch around some.
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Raged posted:When running this list how do you keep Rex in formation since he does not have a one forward? Eh, I mostly just do 2-speed or higher maneuvers at the beginning of the game. Also note that any time you do banks you want to go faster with the guys on the outside of the formation, so you can 1-bank with the guys on the inside and 2-bank with Rex on the outside. canyonero posted:Ran that Roark jank list today. Really cool how few actions you need, especially before shooting. You can bump everyone and still end up with a token or two on Biggs thanks to Operations Specialist. I've also been struggling with those last two points. Thought about bumping the stresshog to PS4. Thought about using an ARC with stressbot instead. Thought about throwing a torpedo on Biggs. In the end, the bomb seemed to be the most useful.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Against Phantoms, the best thing to do is to have someone with a higher PS that can shoot them before they re-cloak. For your list, the easiest thing to do would probably be to swap out Blue Ace for PS9 Poe and shuffle the upgrades on Snap and Dutch around some. I could do that, but having the M9-G8 definitely seems nice on Dutch since I usually want to take the target lock to pass and being able to make someone reroll a die is nice. Without BB-8 blue Ace was less enjoyable to fly anyways, usually he's my favorite ship.
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ConfusedUs posted:Eh, I mostly just do 2-speed or higher maneuvers at the beginning of the game. Yeah seismic torp on Biggs might be an ok alternative.
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