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VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

MikeJF posted:

I just wish they'd had Starfleet excursion uniforms. One thing Enterprise did right: they had a regular away mission uniform, a desert variant, an arctic variant...

Yeah. You can wear high heels in your class B's at your military office job, and you put on a different uniform when you go out to the field.

But something something, Gene's vision, Starfleet uniforms are magic all-weather gear with transformer abilities so you wear them anywhere even in a firefight situation where you're trying to hide despite being dressed in bright primary colors.

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Beachcomber
May 21, 2007

Another day in paradise.


Slippery Tilde
Theory: The Wadi are really into games because they realize they have basically no agency under the Dominion and so their lives are basically meaningless.

Number_6
Jul 23, 2006

BAN ALL GAS GUZZLERS

(except for mine)
Pillbug

VitalSigns posted:


And speaking of actresses looking better in uniform, Jeri Ryan



For a second I thought this image might be from some episode of Voyager where Seven is somehow duplicated and then has to make out with herself. But I think if that happened I'd remember it. And have it on tape.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
Dude.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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Beachcomber posted:

Theory: The Wadi are really into games because they realize they have basically no agency under the Dominion and so their lives are basically meaningless.
Kind of makes sense. The Dominion seems to have a technology level similar to the Federation's and they obviously were not so broke that the Ferengi didn't see them as having trading value, but without any of the exploration/unity/cultural poo poo that seems to make the Federation adhere as a thing people care about rather than just Humans And Our Rag-Tag Allies (And Vulcans)

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to
I'm pretty sure Kira in the Bajorian uniform had like moon boots, not heels.

Firebert
Aug 16, 2004

VitalSigns posted:

I don't understand the embarrassing catsuit-n-high-heels fetish of Star Trek producers. Visitor, Ryan, and Sirtis all looked better in the Starfleet uniform and it was way way less stupid.

So did T'Pol

vermin
Feb 28, 2017

Help, I've turned into a manifestation of mental disorders as viewed through an early 20th century lens sparked by the disparity between man and modern society and I can't get up
Here's a sobering thought, Riker in a catsuit.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

vermin posted:

Here's a sobering delicious thought, Riker in a catsuit.

:pervert:

Kibayasu
Mar 28, 2010

vermin posted:

Here's a sobering thought, Riker in a catsuit.

My fanfic is only for personal use where did you find it

Zesty
Jan 17, 2012

The Great Twist

The Dark One posted:

So Linda Park was the guest on the JV Club podcast last week. Not a ton of Trekchat, but she's a lot more interesting than Hoshi.

Berman/Braga squandered talent? You don't say.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

Zesty Crab Legs posted:

Berman/Braga squandered talent? You don't say.

Coto isn't blameless, either. Enterprise's fourth season gets a lot of praise because it wasn't Berman and Braga running it, but so, so much of it is bogged down with continuity porn and almost all of the focus being on Archer and T'Pol. It's not like Trek was new to characters being little more than window dressing (see: Chekov, Pavel; Sulu, Hikaru; Crusher, Beverly; Kim, Harry) but there's a lot of complete dogshit in that season. And some of the ideas he had for the fifth season were unbelievably terrible.

Coto's track record as a showrunner post-Enterprise doesn't exactly scream talent, either.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Timby posted:

Coto isn't blameless, either. Enterprise's fourth season gets a lot of praise because it wasn't Berman and Braga running it, but so, so much of it is bogged down with continuity porn and almost all of the focus being on Archer and T'Pol. It's not like Trek was new to characters being little more than window dressing (see: Chekov, Pavel; Sulu, Hikaru; Crusher, Beverly; Kim, Harry) but there's a lot of complete dogshit in that season. And some of the ideas he had for the fifth season were unbelievably terrible.

Coto's track record as a showrunner post-Enterprise doesn't exactly scream talent, either.

what were his terrible season 5 ideas?

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to
While not everyone got a lot of focus, I feel like everyone on TNG would get their time to shine each season. It may include Subrosa, but Crusher did get an episode every season where she was the focus or at least a major part of the cast in that episode.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

Baronjutter posted:

what were his terrible season 5 ideas?

The big one I remember was one he worked on with the Reeves-Stevenses, in that Alice Krige would have shown up as a genius science or medical officer on the Enterprise. They encounter the Borg (again, because :circlefap:) and Krige's character gets assimilated, but due to her brilliance her intelligence is manifested as the Borg Queen.

vermin
Feb 28, 2017

Help, I've turned into a manifestation of mental disorders as viewed through an early 20th century lens sparked by the disparity between man and modern society and I can't get up
I saw about half of Enterprise's first season and honestly I'd rather they have a show about the boomers. Dr Phlox and T'Pol can come along though.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Timby posted:

The big one I remember was one he worked on with the Reeves-Stevenses, in that Alice Krige would have shown up as a genius science or medical officer on the Enterprise. They encounter the Borg (again, because :circlefap:) and Krige's character gets assimilated, but due to her brilliance her intelligence is manifested as the Borg Queen.

Wow that's bad because the borg queen is bad and also borg don't know about humans until Q.

Drink-Mix Man
Mar 4, 2003

You are an odd fellow, but I must say... you throw a swell shindig.

Timby posted:

Coto isn't blameless, either. Enterprise's fourth season gets a lot of praise because it wasn't Berman and Braga running it, but so, so much of it is bogged down with continuity porn and almost all of the focus being on Archer and T'Pol. It's not like Trek was new to characters being little more than window dressing (see: Chekov, Pavel; Sulu, Hikaru; Crusher, Beverly; Kim, Harry) but there's a lot of complete dogshit in that season. And some of the ideas he had for the fifth season were unbelievably terrible.

Coto's track record as a showrunner post-Enterprise doesn't exactly scream talent, either.

Yeah, I feel like when season four came out it was kind of a breath of fresh air because it seemed to have more focus and I admittedly geeked out over seeing familiar stuff like the Gorn and Tholians,. On rewatch these days, though, it's a little too much up Star Trek's rear end in a fankwanky way for my tastes.

egon_beeblebrox
Mar 1, 2008

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.



Baronjutter posted:

Wow that's bad because the borg queen is bad and also borg don't know about humans until Q.

Didn't Seven's parents get taken by them before "Q Who?"

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Her parents followed a Borg cube through the inverse subspace verteron tube network array or whatever to study them and then got assimilated. Like following some bears into the woods and then the bears assimilate you into their stomach.

Also, the Borg technically know about humans because of First Contact.

egon_beeblebrox
Mar 1, 2008

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.



Cojawfee posted:

Her parents followed a Borg cube through the inverse subspace verteron tube network array or whatever to study them and then got assimilated. Like following some bears into the woods and then the bears assimilate you into their stomach.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

vermin posted:

I saw about half of Enterprise's first season and honestly I'd rather they have a show about the boomers.



:bsg:

Railing Kill
Nov 14, 2008

You are the first crack in the sheer face of god. From you it will spread.
I just finished season two of ENT, and it already feels like Hoshi, Mayweather, and Reed are furniture. I guess I'm ok with that, since Reed and Mayweather are only fun when they're opposite Trip, and Hoshi is this show's Harry Kim.

NOT RACIST, I swear. I just mean they're both whiny and boring.































Also, they're both Asian

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Baronjutter posted:

what were his terrible season 5 ideas?

Who was it who wanted to do the Kzinti wars?

Duckbox
Sep 7, 2007

Timby posted:

see: Chekov, Pavel; Sulu, [no first name given]; Crusher, Beverly; Kim, Harry

Fixed that for you. Sulu and Uhura might as well have been mononyms like Spock as far as the TOS writers were concerned. Actually knowing their first names is one way to tell a Trekie apart from someone who watches Star Trek.

Beachcomber posted:

Theory: The Wadi are really into games because they realize they have basically no agency under the Dominion and so their lives are basically meaningless.

Yeah, same goes for the guys who were hunting Tosk and maybe the War World dudes and the Tula Berry traders. The Founders seemed to like their solids to be decadent and distracted so their societies couldn't threaten them. The ones that didn't let themselves be bribed into complacency either got "domesticated" or met the same fate as the Quickening aliens and the weird eczema refugees.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


MikeJF posted:

I just wish they'd had Starfleet excursion uniforms. One thing Enterprise did right: they had a regular away mission uniform, a desert variant, an arctic variant...



:getin:

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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Tunicate posted:

Who was it who wanted to do the Kzinti wars?
"Giving Larry Niven a sack of money to do a season arc for your TV show" is far from the worst Star Trek idea ever

Hell, pad it out with adaptations of World of Ptavvs, Beowulf Schaefer stories, and Protector. What are you gonna do, gently caress up Star Trek by incorporating some weird aliens?

Nessus fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Apr 12, 2017

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

Duckbag posted:

Fixed that for you. Sulu and Uhura might as well have been mononyms like Spock as far as the TOS writers were concerned. Actually knowing their first names is one way to tell a Trekie apart from someone who watches Star Trek.

Sulu's first name is literally in the first line of dialogue in The Undiscovered Country.

The Fuzzy Hulk
Nov 22, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT CROSSING THE STREAMS



It's weird but I still think "The Cage" is my favorite episode of any Star Trek.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Baronjutter posted:

Wow that's bad because the borg queen is bad and also borg don't know about humans until Q.
The Borg were already on their way toward the Federation when Q flung the Enterprise into their path to give Picard a heads-up.

Cojawfee posted:

Her parents followed a Borg cube through the inverse subspace verteron tube network array or whatever to study them and then got assimilated. Like following some bears into the woods and then the bears assimilate you into their stomach.
Yep, I think the way it was presented was that her parents were headed out to investigate the rumors of the space boogeymen that the Federation wasn't taking seriously. Which again brings up the question of why no one bothered to ask Guinan or the other El Aurians just what they were refugees from.

vermin
Feb 28, 2017

Help, I've turned into a manifestation of mental disorders as viewed through an early 20th century lens sparked by the disparity between man and modern society and I can't get up

Knormal posted:

why no one bothered to ask Guinan or the other El Aurians just what they were refugees from.
"Guinan you could have saved billions of lives. Why didn't you tell anyone?"
"You didn't ask."

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Reminds me of the sweet jackets the away team wore in Broken Bow.

Kingtheninja
Jul 29, 2004

"You're the best looking guy here."
Didn't the ENT borg episode end with them sending a subspace signal that would take 200 years to reach the cube?

Also, watching the first contact episode for the first time. Riker boning the scientist fangirl was great.

Winifred Madgers
Feb 12, 2002

Nessus posted:

"Giving Larry Niven a sack of money to do a season arc for your TV show" is far from the worst Star Trek idea ever

Hell, pad it out with adaptations of World of Ptavvs, Beowulf Schaefer stories, and Protector. What are you gonna do, gently caress up Star Trek by incorporating some weird aliens?

Says the guy named Nessus. But, on the other hand, I agree. I keep thinking now and then, why hasn't anyone ever made a Ringworld/Known Space movie or show?

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003





Man, I love how in the Cage, instead of miniskirts women just got a sweet stylish collar.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.
I think I found my favorite JJ alien

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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turn left hillary!! noo posted:

Says the guy named Nessus. But, on the other hand, I agree. I keep thinking now and then, why hasn't anyone ever made a Ringworld/Known Space movie or show?
It was not until recently that you could even conceive of doing it as anything other than a cartoon (and indeed animation would still be the simplest way to do a lot of his stuff). I mean hell, the one adaptation we really have is that TAS episode, and that did work well - if, uh, with limitations, obviously.

vermin
Feb 28, 2017

Help, I've turned into a manifestation of mental disorders as viewed through an early 20th century lens sparked by the disparity between man and modern society and I can't get up

Big Mean Jerk posted:

I think I found my favorite JJ alien



If this were on TV it would've been a guy with ram horns with rubber between them simulating a forehead

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

egon_beeblebrox posted:

Didn't Seven's parents get taken by them before "Q Who?"

The Borg also scooped up the cities on those colonies near the Neutral Zone at the end of TNG Season 1, when they thought it was the Romulans but turns out the same thing happened to their colonies too.

We don't actually know when or how the Borg became aware of the Federation.

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MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




VitalSigns posted:

The Borg also scooped up the cities on those colonies near the Neutral Zone at the end of TNG Season 1, when they thought it was the Romulans but turns out the same thing happened to their colonies too.

We don't actually know when or how the Borg became aware of the Federation.

If we ever get a new feature series that revisits the Borg, I really want to see a Colony Scoop.

Bonus points if it's all from the POV of the colonists.

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