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Kiryen posted:Congress is having a hard time getting organized. It isn't "extreme". Extreme is not where you think it is. The supreme court nomination process was proof that matters are extreme.
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Pick posted:What's the third most populous city in Syria How much of the almanac do I need to have memorized before I can be bothered that we routinely murder innocent people in needless wars and call it collateral damage?
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RaySmuckles posted:north korea would be in retaliation to a peaceful military test, creating a war with a relatively vulnerable country because they're pursuing things we don't want them to have. What's disgusting is your excuse-making for a regime that threatens war every 15 minutes or so and has done things like unprovoked sinkings of SK warships for no real reason. "Peaceful military test" - some serious spologism ITT.
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fruit on the bottom posted:How much of the almanac do I need to have memorized before I can be bothered that we routinely murder innocent people in needless wars and call it collateral damage? I'm not pro-bombing-Syria, but the average person in the USA is not even aware of most of the US's war crimes and goes about their day largely unaffected by our troubled history in Laos.
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Blue Raider posted:if you could ditch abortion, you might be pleasantly surprised yeah i read somewhere that a lot of people who vote republican really only do it bc of abortion, like lots of catholics are pretty liberal especially economically.lots of catholic thinkers--pope eg--are not libertarian capitalists and the church has a long history of being opposed to it. etcetc. its kind of a turnoff though when noone can articulate why they think abortion is okay,not saying there arent any arguments there certainly are but its not like people hate 'choice' or some bs when its an anthropological question and a very complex one. if my neighbor head was fused to my leg in a welding accident i cant cut him head off with a chisel right
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fruit on the bottom posted:How much of the almanac do I need to have memorized before I can be bothered that we routinely murder innocent people in needless wars and call it collateral damage? look, a gas attack killed one third the amount of civilians the US did in an airstrike and they must pay for it with blood Pick posted:I'm not pro-bombing-Syria, but the average person in the USA is not even aware of most of the US's war crimes and goes about their day largely unaffected by our troubled history in Laos. my uncle just died after liver failure due to Agent Orange he was exposed to in the 101st while in Cambodia and Laos, just saying
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Orkin Mang posted:noone can articulate why they think abortion is okay, Taking human life isn't cool? 
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Kiryen posted:What's disgusting is your excuse-making for a regime that threatens war every 15 minutes or so and has done things like unprovoked sinkings of SK warships for no real reason. "Peaceful military test" - some serious spologism ITT. apparently, and im hardly an expert, nkorea's weird military posturing comes from the years that they were basically japanese slaves and they'll set on never being in that position again. im not defending north korea but i think their shenanigans are a bit more complicated than saber-rattling.
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Orkin Mang posted:yeah i read somewhere that a lot of people who vote republican really only do it bc of abortion, like lots of catholics are pretty liberal especially economically.lots of catholic thinkers--pope eg--are not libertarian capitalists and the church has a long history of being opposed to it. etcetc. its kind of a turnoff though when noone can articulate why they think abortion is okay,not saying there arent any arguments there certainly are but its not like people hate 'choice' or some bs when its an anthropological question and a very complex one. if my neighbor head was fused to my leg in a welding accident i cant cut him head off with a chisel right Actually you could. There's a tremendous amount of protection in the USA for the self and the right to act in a self-interested manner.
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Blue Raider posted:apparently, and im hardly an expert, nkorea's weird military posturing comes from the years that they were basically japanese slaves and they'll set on never being in that position again. im not defending north korea but i think their shenanigans are a bit more complicated than saber-rattling. It's probably also from the fact that we killed 20% of their population.
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VikingSkull posted:my uncle just died after liver failure due to Agent Orange he was exposed to in the 101st while in Cambodia and Laos, just saying Yeah cool, that's not true of most people.
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Blue Raider posted:apparently, and im hardly an expert, nkorea's weird military posturing comes from the years that they were basically japanese slaves and they'll set on never being in that position again. im not defending north korea but i think their shenanigans are a bit more complicated than saber-rattling. also it's worth noting that South Korea was a dictatorship until the 1980's with an arguably worse standard of living than the North but people forget that because they drive a Hyundai now
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Pick posted:The supreme court nomination process was proof that matters are extreme. Democrats going almost entirely against a judge they previously supported unanimously, when they can't possibly win is extreme only in terms of how stupid it is - and it's driven by leftist voters who can't accept that they lost.
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I trust Iran with nukes more than I trust the N.Koreans with them.
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Like you're confusing a lot of "is" and "ought", I'm saying the average person cares more about if they can make rent than literally any loving thing that has ever happened or will ever happen in Syria, and most people are a loving hair's breadth from homelessness and they know this.
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Pick posted:Actually you could. There's a tremendous amount of protection in the USA for the self and the right to act in a self-interested manner. ill chisel his head open like a coconut and drink his brains then 
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Kiryen posted:What's disgusting is your excuse-making for a regime that threatens war every 15 minutes or so and has done things like unprovoked sinkings of SK warships for no real reason. "Peaceful military test" - some serious spologism ITT. they want a deterrent to prevent the US from declaring war on them currently the US is threatening to start a war with them north korea is not going to start a war that will see its nation destroyed and its leadership culled. people don't get to power in a murderous dictatorship by being suicidal. come on. i don't think north korea is great, nor do i love it. but i also don't see it as "dangerous." stupid and belligerent sometimes, sure. but so's the US and our belligerence has significantly greater consequences than north korea's. we're the danger. poo poo people in here are calling for war with one of russia's strongest allies, a war that they've declared to be a "red line" that the US shouldn't cross. but nah, its north korea that's dangerous because somehow despite (poorly) managing a nation of millions they're actually a suicidal death cult just waiting to nuke everything in the region because their national leader is somehow bored of living a life of incomprehensible decadence and banging his army of sex-slaves
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Orkin Mang posted:ill chisel his head open like a coconut and drink his brains then You can't desecrate a corpse though.
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Sebastien Lenorman posted:This video might get old someday, but not yet: Nope not old. I find these sort of things highly amusing. LOL. Less political talk, more Hillary dunking please. Krustic fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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Honky Dong Country posted:I trust Iran with nukes more than I trust the N.Koreans with them. one of these is involved in a proxy war against the US while supporting terrorist organizations and one is not
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Blue Raider posted:apparently, and im hardly an expert, nkorea's weird military posturing comes from the years that they were basically japanese slaves and they'll set on never being in that position again. im not defending north korea but i think their shenanigans are a bit more complicated than saber-rattling. I think sinking that SK ship was a lot more than saber rattling, and that's not the only time they've taken pot shots. People are quick to forget they've provoked armed incidents a number of times over the years in their rush to claim we're the aggressive ones for domestic political points.
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Pick posted:You can't desecrate a corpse though. ill eat his brains in the 6 seconds his brain steam is still alive then
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I also don't give a poo poo about Syria, but I've got no problem with us bombing the poo poo out of fundamentalist assholes like ISIS or any jerks using chemical weapons because not doing so sets a bad precedent and fundamentalist psychos like ISIS shouldn't be allowed to dig in any further than they already have. Do I think an invasion is in order? Hell no. VikingSkull posted:one of these is involved in a proxy war against the US while supporting terrorist organizations and one is not I agree but I worry less about Iran's leadership, as opposed to N.Korea's insane dictator just up and popping a nuke off because they feel threatened by a military exercise or something. I'm more speaking strictly to the idea of N. Korea having nukes which is what's got the current poo poo stirred up so bad recently. Honky Dong Country fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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RaySmuckles posted:they want a deterrent to prevent the US from declaring war on them You're right, they just started their nuke program because of recent events. quote:north korea is not going to start a war that will see its nation destroyed and its leadership culled. people don't get to power in a murderous dictatorship by being suicidal. come on. They already attempted to when they sank that SK frigate. It just didn't work out. quote:i don't think north korea is great, nor do i love it. but i also don't see it as "dangerous." stupid and belligerent sometimes, sure. but so's the US and our belligerence has significantly greater consequences than north korea's. we're the danger. poo poo people in here are calling for war with one of russia's strongest allies, a war that they've declared to be a "red line" that the US shouldn't cross. You should probably stop having opinons seeing as how you're not even acquainted with the facts. NK has a history of trying to provoke armed responses.
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Kiryen posted:I think sinking that SK ship was a lot more than saber rattling, and that's not the only time they've taken pot shots. People are quick to forget they've provoked armed incidents a number of times over the years in their rush to claim we're the aggressive ones for domestic political points. fair point. thats definitely an example of aggressive action
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this thread, i declare it "good"
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i wish i was the ayatolah so i could say 'ayatolahyouso'
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so what do u hip dudes think of trans people and abortions
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Blue Raider posted:this thread, i declare it "good" I gotta say this is one of the more reasonable political threads I've seen in a long, long time. Orkin Mang posted:so what do u hip dudes think of trans people and abortions Not my problem personally and everybody should just be able to do what they want and be left the gently caress alone.
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im the ayatollah of rock and rolla
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Honky Dong Country posted:I've got no problem with us bombing the poo poo out of fundamentalist assholes I think you mean extremist.
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Kiryen posted:You're right, they just started their nuke program because of recent events. answer me this question: why would North Korea want to provoke an armed response? what does North Korea have to gain from armed conflict? israel sank the USS Liberty in cold blood, should we bomb them too? edit: we've been in perpetual economic warfare with North Korea for decades. they act out to get economic relief because the US lead alliance is strangling their country.
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spacetoaster posted:I think you mean extremist. You're probably right that just fundamentalist wasn't the appropriate word.
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Honky Dong Country posted:I agree but I worry less about Iran's leadership, as opposed to N.Korea's insane dictator just up and popping a nuke off because they feel threatened by a military exercise or something. I'm more speaking strictly to the idea of N. Korea having nukes which is what's got the current poo poo stirred up so bad recently. the possibility is higher but the overall risk is lower with Iran, all it takes is a more successful version of the uprising a few years ago, a missile at Israel and then we get the Samson Option less possibility, much higher stakes
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VikingSkull posted:one of these is involved in a proxy war against the US while supporting terrorist organizations and one is not North Korea has like zero regional ambitions, too. They aren't spreading influence or anything, they just sit there and occasionally do some token military attacks to remind people that the war technically never ended. Iran is politically very active in local politics and are locked in their weird sectarian death struggle with the Saudis (and Israel)
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Honky Dong Country posted:I gotta say this is one of the more reasonable political threads I've seen in a long, long time. welcome to gbs
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Honky Dong Country posted:You're probably right that just fundamentalist wasn't the appropriate word. There are a lot of fundamental Jews/Christians/whatever in the US. They interpret their holy books to be complete and literal. I'm pretty sure we don't need to bomb Roman Catholics or whatever.
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Blue Raider posted:im the ayatollah of rock and rolla You gonna be hiring anytime soon?
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Late, but: part of the reason I liked Obama in the first place in '08 was he represented a break from the Democratic Leadership Council style elements of the party. Particularly at the beginning - when he was outside the establishment and these people were on Hillary's team - they actively went for a contrasting style and a bolder message than what Mark Penn was offering. Even in 2012, a part of me wonders if Hillary Clinton's team would've been so direct on Bain Capital. I think that's a legitimate differentiation in the Obama campaigns that wouldn't hold as true for Gore/Kerry/Clinton - though no doubt people do the "you lost therefore everything was a mess" thing, and yeah, liberalism lost. (tho +1 Kerry is a good man who probably would've made a good president)
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:North Korea has like zero regional ambitions, too. They aren't spreading influence or anything, they just sit there and occasionally do some token military attacks to remind people that the war technically never ended. they act out for economic relief. we've been strangling them for decades. they know that their only card is military force, so its the only one they can play
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