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chitoryu12 posted:Hey I wonder how the ground forces are handling themselv-- Fortunately for everyone, Grimace and Dr. McFish both elected to sit out the Thunderdome because we'd rather save our killing for the enemies and healing our broken 'tards respectively.
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power crystals posted:Anything with a shitload of individual targets sounds like we should send the Su25s at it with the Vikhrs mounted. Otherwise I'm not sure what's the most individual munitions we can fire off in one strike without having to resort to clusters on day loving one. You salvo Vikhrs in pairs because the Soviets designed them to be cheap. Each Frogfoot would then have at best eight kills with a full load of vikhrs. It's all academic anyways as ours don't carry vikhrs, the best we can manage is four as-10 karens per frogfoot. I just checked the frogfoot's range and holy poo poo guys, why the gently caress did we keep these things. A 210nm combat radius is just awful. Our Sk60s outrange these things.
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Davin Valkri posted:I thought we'd agreed to skip the cluster bombs for this theater of operations! It was my understanding that where they're needed we would be okay to use them. A dispersed battery of rocket artillery is a good use case for cluster munitions. Popete posted:The SU-25's should probably be used against the MRLS, this is the kinda op they are made for. Really, what they're made for is dealing with armoured convoys. It's a shame they're the shortest legged aircraft in our fleet.
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Yeah the Frogfoots range is a loving pain in the rear end. It's it's trademark fundamental weakness imo, just like the A-10 lack of speed.
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Tythas posted:Please note the MLRS is probable the Astros II (yooper can we confirm this) if it is here is some info on it's deployment. The Astros II are normally grouped in artillery batteries consisting on average of about 13 vehicles: 6 of them are Astros II launchers, 6 are rocket resupply trucks and 1 a special radar-equipped vehicle controlling the fire-control system Confirmed
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Quinntan posted:It's all academic anyways as ours don't carry vikhrs, the best we can manage is four as-10 karens per frogfoot. Okay I knew for sure I had seen that we could mount those so I actually went back and checked this and this post: Where Yooper lists the planes we can buy links to http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/2513/ which can mount the AT-16 Scallion/Vikhr. The OP links to https://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataAircraft?ID=2378 which can't. I think Yooper got our Frogfreet confused at some point. Which one do we actually own?
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We can arm all our Phantoms with 2000 pound Paveways. We have eight Phantoms, so that is a lot of bomb. Those will blow up rocket artillery batteries and ammo trucks and T-55s real nice. A ton of explosive covereth a multitude of sins, and each Phantom can spread the good word twice. Doing that also lets us save the Tornados to use either HARMs or the Taurus KEPD, aka a short-range air-launched Tomahawk that's never, ever skipped Leg Day. Seriously, check out its warhead stats. Even discounting the whole humanitarian issue with cluster bombs, I don't like how using them makes our Tornados very vulnerable to pretty much anything. They're not even bombs, they're dispensers, so the Tornado has to fly at low altitude (200 feet AGL max) and directly over the target in order to use them. We'd be liable to lose them to a single guy sporting an ancient Strela-1 or a truck-mounted Zu-23-2 or something. I wonder if we can loan out a Shilka or two to the aid convoys. Maybe even loan out one of our Sperwer UAVs to some of von Count's ground peeps.
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I have the following plan. 1: MLRS raid: - 1 Gripen with recon pod, can search for the mlrs and do a bit of CAP. - 1 Gripen heavy standoff (4 Maverick). - All our SK60's with m/70's. - All our Hawk's with (2) Maverick's. 2: Mechanized push: - 1 Grippen recon pod, idem. - 1 Gripen with heavy standoff (4 Mavericks). - 4 phantom's with (2) Maverick's. 3: Aid convoy: - 1 Gripen recon. - 1 Reaper drone on recon. - 2 SU-25's with (4) Karen. - 4 Tornado's with the (2) Maverick loadout. 4: AEW patrol/Tanker/CAP: - S 10B on AEW patrol. - KC 135 on Tanker duty. - 3 Gripen on CAP These have the range to the job and we do not use cluster weapons (yet)! We should keep the 4 left over Phantom's in reserve in case we need them to plug a hole somewhere. Also, should planes still have weapons left while their targets are already destroyed let them attack the other targets if possible. Stago Lego fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Apr 21, 2017 |
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The Tornadoes should be used to knock out the enemy radar along the border. The nice long ranges on the HARMs should let us perform the mission from (relative) safety. Phantoms and their nice big bombs should be used to push back the Eastern push, while providing escort for the aid convoy assisted by the CAS birds. Maybe some of the CAS platforms can be used against the MLRS while the Gripens are playing top cover. The Gripens have the downside of only being able to effectively engage surface vessels while carrying Meteors. The only other non-A2A non-fuel tank device they can carry is a recce pod if they are carrying Meteors, and we need the long range A2A until the enemy doesn't have anything comparable. So Gripens are not exactly playing mud mover for awhile.  We have 3 radar targets near our targets, and an airbase. The Tornadoes can carry a stand-off weapon that can put a nice big hole in that runway. Therefore, here's my plan: Plan Big Papa Strike Group 1: Targeting MLRS 4x Gripen (Standard Intercept) for the 4x Meteor 2x Tornadoes (1x HARM, 1x Taurus KEPD 350P) HARMs for the Radars, KEPD for the Runway 4x Phantoms (4x Paveways) MLRS/SAMs 6x SK-60 (M49 Rockets) MLRS and other soft/medium vehicles (these are HEAT rockets) 2x SU-25 (AT-16 Scallion) MLRS OR other targets Strike Group 2: Support Menogue 4x Gripen (LR Intercept) 2x Meteor (they need the legs) 2x Tornadoes (1x HARM, AGM-65 IR) Again, HARM for Radar and Mavericks for Tanks 4x Phantoms (Paveways) Tanks 2x Hawk 209 (Mavericks) You guessed it, Vehicles Convoy support/Support Aircraft/Notes 1x Reaper (Hellfire/Paveway LGB[21689]) Better than nothing. Both Tankers away from the front-lines, but in a position that they can gas up SG2 if needed. AWACS up and behind the front-line. If necessary, we can have a pair of Gripen keeping either group of support aircraft safe The convoy is more trouble-some, the fast movers for SG2 can support but they burn munitions to support the defense of Menogue but there's not much else to send that can be refueled which will degrade the other two groups. Maybe SG2 can play top cover for it? Degrading the enemy's radar coverage over the front could force the deployment of any AWACS platforms, giving us a chance to knock it out either now or in a future op. Negation or suppression of the close airfield would improve response time to an incoming raid by enemy forces by forcing them to base from further away. The ranges involved make this one a difficult op to plan, but I think I have everyone that can't aerial refuel in SG1 and with long enough legs to go, hit the target(s) and come back.  This plan includes 0 (zero) cluster munitions because we're apparently something called "ethical mercenaries" whatever the dick that means. edit: Forgot about the Reaper Drone. Switched the Phantoms to Paveways due to the massive difference in damage between the two. CoffeeQaddaffi fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Apr 21, 2017 |
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power crystals posted:Okay I knew for sure I had seen that we could mount those so I actually went back and checked this and this post: You are correct Power Cryatsl. It should be the former that I linked, the model that can use the AT-16. I must've missed it in the DB, as the models are pretty drat close.
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Coffeehitler posted:The Tornadoes should be used to knock out the enemy radar along the border. The nice long ranges on the HARMs should let us perform the mission from (relative) safety. Phantoms and their nice big bombs should be used to push back the Eastern push, while providing escort for the aid convoy assisted by the CAS birds. Maybe some of the CAS platforms can be used against the MLRS while the Gripens are playing top cover. I do like plans that hit enemy airfields and radars. Lets not just react to his advance, lets kick in his door.
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chitoryu12 posted:Hey I wonder how the ground forces are handling themselv-- So its living up to its name and purpose as a Trial of Position.
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Coffeehitler posted:So its living up to its name and purpose as a Trial of Position. Man, thats a blast from the past. We going to make them fight for Bloodnames next?
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For any mission, we should probably change the default tanker settings: Stago Lego posted:I have the following plan. I don't think we have to bother with Gripens with recon pods. To be honest, I don't even know how to use those in a way that isn't inferior to Litening pods or UAV FLIRs. The SPK-39 entry in the database says it has a 5 nautical mile range. Our Sperwers and Litening targeting pods have a visual range of 30 nmi, and the MQ-9 has a visual range of 100 nmi. I think we also have access to small diameter bombs now, which are usually going to be better than Mavericks or GBU-12s because a Gripen can carry eight of them. Coffeehitler posted:[b]Plan Big Papa Why do people keep arming so many Phantoms with Mavericks? As long as the dictator hasn't, like, put his artillery trucks in the courtyard of a hospital for orphaned children, two 2000 pound Paveways will nuke an entire rocket arty battery with splash damage. (Edit: I tried out using the Taurus KEPD on runways. Turns out just one of them will put such a big hole in the runway that it gets degraded to 80% damage )
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Yeah I like the idea of starting our own counter-offensive right out the gate. If we stick to the bare minimum of reacting to the explicitly presented threats, we'll be here on the defensive forever.
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Yooper, can we load supplies into our C-130 and parachute them to the destination? That'd mean we'd need to send fewer air convoys.   Operation First Impressions This mission is about doing the max damage and sending a message to our enemies: Don't gently caress With Us. We're going to be doing a maximum-push operation. ROE: 1. Fire back if fired upon. 2. Fire if engaging friendly troops or aid convoys 3. Fire if positive ID'ed as hostile. 4. If any military aircraft violate the 50 nautical mile exclusion zone north of the border, challenge it on Guard frequency. If they do not comply and leave the exclusion zone, fire. EMCON 1. S 100B Argus: radar on. 2. Fighters: radars off unless the S 100B has IDed a target for you, you've passed the ROE checks and and you are trying to get a firing solution. 3. All aircraft: jammers off unless enemy radars are detected. MLRS Strike Medusa One MQ-9 Reaper, with: -Gorgon Eye sensor pods. Mission: 1) Launch very early in the morning, try to locate the MLRS batteries and enemy troops -- stay out of range of potential SAM sights. 2) If MLRS destroyed, locate other targets for the strike aircraft. 3) RTB when the strike package has hit targets and is egressing. Slugger Flight Four F-4 Phantoms, each with: -Two GBU-24A 2,000lb laser-guided bombs, two AIM-120 AMRAAMs, a Litening targeting pod, and a AN/ALQ-119 jamming pod. Mission: 1) Destroy the MLRS and supporting units. If not destroyed, RTB, Quick Turnaround, sortie again and hit them again until they are destroyed. 2) If military aircraft cross into the exclusion zone, then engage them with AMRAAMs to buy time for Bullfrog Flight to escape, then get out of Dodge and RTB. 3) If MLRS is destroyed and ordnance remains, hit targets of opportunity. Hit targets south of the border, if possible, but be willing to engage targets north, if needed. 4) After MLRS have been destroyed and ground ordnance used, RTB, Quick Turnaround and equip the maximum Air-to-Air loadout. Head to Point Cadiz to provide CAP to cover the aid convoys. Bullfrog Flight Two Su-25 Frogfoot A, each with: -Four KAB-500L laser-guided bombs and two AA-8 Aphid air-to-air missiles. Two Hawk 209, each with -Two AGM-65G Maverick anti-tank missiles, two AIM-9P Sidewinder Mission: 1) Destroy the MLRS and supporting units. If not destroyed, RTB, Quick Turnaround, sortie again and hit them again until they are destroyed. 2) If MLRS is destroyed and ordnance remains, hit targets of opportunity. Hit targets south of the border, if possible, but be willing to engage targets north, if needed. 3) If enemy aircraft are sighted heading towards you, head south at maximum speed. Do not reenter the combat area until all air threats are cleared out. Disco One EA-6B Prowler, with: -the AGM-88C HARM, Short-Range loadout (1 HARM, four jammers). Mission 1) Provide jamming support for the MLRS strike mission. Fire the HARM at any SAM radars that threaten the strikers. 2) If the strikers move north to hit targets of opportunity, follow them in and out of the target area to provide jamming support. TANK COLUMN Ironbreaker Flight Three Tornado IDS, each with: -Two GBU-24A laser-guided bombs, a Litening targeting pod, a BO-101 Chaff/Flare pod, a Cerberus IV DECM pod and two IRIS-T missiles. Mission: 1) Destroy the tank convoy and supporting forces -- if targets still remain, RTB to Quick Turnaround and rearm, then take off and hit them again. 2) If tanks are destroyed and ordnance remains, hit targets of opportunity. Hit targets south of the border, if possible, but be willing to engage targets north, if needed. 3) If aid convoy is attacked on ground, divert to support it. Homewrecker Flight Four F-4 Phantoms, each with: -Two GBU-24A 2,000lb laser-guided bombs, two AIM-120 AMRAAMs, a Litening targeting pod, and a AN/ALQ-119 jamming pod. Mission: 1) Destroy the tank column and supporting forces -- if targets still remain, RTB to Quick Turnaround and rearm, then hit them again. 2) Engage air targets with AMRAAMs to buy time for Ironbreaker Flight to escape -- once this is complete, get out of Dodge and RTB. 3) If tanks are destroyed and ordnance remains, hit targets of opportunity. Hit targets south of the border, if possible, but be willing to engage targets north, if needed. 4) If aid convoy is attacked on ground, divert to support it Gizmo One Tornado IDS with: -Two AGM-88, a BO-101 Chaff/Flare pod, a Cerberus IV DECM pod and two IRIS-T missiles. Mission: 1) Escort Homewrecker and Ironbreaker Flight -- immediately engage any enemy SAM radars. 2) If the strikers move north to hit targets of opportunity, follow them in an out of the target area to provide jamming support. Convoy Escort One MQ-9 Reaper, with: -four AGM-114K Hellfire II, two GBU-12D/B Paveway laser guided bombs Two Sperwer UAV, with: -no weapons Mission: 1) Recon ground ahead of the aid convoys (one UAV per convoy) to look for ambushes, divert them around ambushes, if possible. 2) MQ-9 only: destroy ground threats to the convoys. 3) RTB when convoys reach destination. Air Superiority Blackbeard Flight Two JAS 39C Gripens, each with: A/A: Meteor, Max Intercept (Two IRIS-T missiles, four Meteor missiles) Mission: 1) Orbit at Point Royal (EAST CAP) [NOTE: set tanking condition to 25% fuel] until enemies are spotted. 2) Engage unfriendly military aircraft within a 50nm exclusion zone north of the border [NOTE: make sure that we have published a NOTAMs about this to warn civilian aircraft]. Protect Bullfrog Flight, Slugger Flight, and the Medusa MQ-9. If enemies cross the border, engage. 3) Once sortie is complete, RTB to refuel and then provide CAP for air convoy. 4) Stay airborne until all non-fighters have landed. Buccaneer Flight Two JAS 39C Gripens, each with: A/A: Meteor, Max Intercept (Two IRIS-T missiles, four Meteor missiles) Mission: 1) Orbit at Point Cadiz (CENTER CAP) [NOTE: set tanking condition to 25% fuel] until enemies are spotted. 2) Engage unfriendly military aircraft within a 50nm exclusion zone north of the border. Protect the Mercy C-130 and the aid convoys as your top priority. Protect Ironbreaker Flight, Homewrecker Flight and Gizmo as a secondary priority. 3) Stay airborne until all non-fighters have landed. Rackham Flight Four JAS 39C Gripens, each with: A/A: Meteor, Standard Intercept (Two IRIS-T missiles, two Meteor missiles) Mission: 1) Orbit at Point Havana (EAST CAP) [NOTE: set tanking condition to 25% fuel] until enemies are spotted. 2) Engage unfriendly military aircraft within a 50nm exclusion zone north of the border. Primary duty: protect Gizmo, Ironbreaker Flight, and Homewrecker Flight. Secondary: protect the Mercy C-130 and the aid convoys as a secondary priority. 3) Stay airborne until all non-fighters have landed. Two JAS 39C Gripens, each with: A/A: Meteor, Max Intercept (Two IRIS-T missiles, four Meteor missiles) Mission: 1) Sit at Lubango on Alert 15, ready to take off if an enemy aircraft are spotted. 2) If scrambled, move to a position and prepare to engage the enemy if ROE are violated. Transport Mercy One C-130 with aid supplies on parachutes. Mission: 1) Drop aid packages on Drop Zones. Flight path appx. 100nm south of the border at all times. 2) After dropping, RTB, Quick Turnaround and go back to drop more aid. Keep making runs until you are out of supplies or can no longer do surge operations. 3) If Red Air crosses the border, move away from them at maximum speed. AEW&C Watchtower One S 100B Argus Mission: 1) Orbit at Point Crown 2) Spot targets using radar, vector CAP fighters to engage. 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Coffeehitler posted:So its living up to its name and purpose as a Trial of Position. If it keeps up the only position we'll be able to manage is prone or maybe supine.
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Bacarruda posted:Yooper, can we load supplies into our C-130 and parachute them to the destination? That'd mean we'd need to send fewer air convoys. Sure. That'd drop a few convoys worth of trucks. There's still a good deal of truck convoy traffic that will need to get screened. That will definitely help and Von Hoff is quite pleased with our charity in the matter.  Planning Scenario below. https://www.dropbox.com/s/2icfypysvbtjot2/Angola%20Mission%20Planning.scen?dl=0
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Barracuda, I appreciate the tanker being included in your detailed plans, but clearly the refuel point should be Point Pig Pen rather than Gas Station. 
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Yooper posted:Sure. That'd drop a few convoys worth of trucks. There's still a good deal of truck convoy traffic that will need to get screened. That will definitely help and Von Hoff is quite pleased with our charity in the matter. Not sure we will be quite so pleased when he sees our bill... Bacarruda fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Apr 21, 2017 |
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Bacarruda posted:Not sure we will be quite so pleased when he sees our bill... We also have our 235 as well we can probably cram a few truck loads worth of supplies into as,well. Between that and the Herc we can hopfullt put a good dent in whats vulnerable on the ground.
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Jimmy4400nav posted:We also have our 235 as well we can probably cram a few truck loads worth of supplies into as,well. Between that and the Herc we can hopfullt put a good dent in whats vulnerable on the ground. Unless the plan is to drop the supplies at Menogue, we can't--the CN-235 has no supply paradrop capability.
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Psawhn posted:
I'm trying to give the people what they want. If I didn't have so many lily-liver anti-sub-munition people to think about, it would clusters for this target, clusters for that target. Paveways would probably be better in the East, while Mavericks for support/defensive vehicles in the West. The real problem is just lack of airframes that can reach the mechanized push. And yeah, I looked at the KEPD and got semi-turgid. All the anti-runway/Presidential Palace duty, all the time with that one.
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Can we message Free State and tell them we begin hostilities with Dictator on x day? Maybe we could coordinate and get a two front war.
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Bacarruda posted:Not sure we will be quite so pleased when he sees our bill... What he pays in cargo plane fuel he saves in fighter fuel and in lives. Not a bad trade.
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Loel posted:Can we message Free State and tell them we begin hostilities with Dictator on x day? Maybe we could coordinate and get a two front war. Seems like that would immediately ruin the element of surprise.
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Zaodai posted:Seems like that would immediately ruin the element of surprise. Hes got MLRS heading for our airfield, he knows we're here 
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Loel posted:Hes got MLRS heading for our airfield, he knows we're here But he doesn't know we're the ones that will be on the offensive.
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Zaodai posted:But he doesn't know we're the ones that will be on the offensive. Oh, sure. Im not saying give our plans, just be like "Hey Free State, our contract on the southern border begins on x day. You could make a profitable move on the northern border at this time. Long life and great riches, Hired Goons."
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Zaodai posted:But he doesn't know we're the ones that will be on the offensive. Big Papa shows who's actually on the offensive.
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Loel posted:Oh, sure. Im not saying give our plans, just be like And give the day before our attack as x day
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Bacarruda posted:
The problem with this plan is that we're acting purely defensively. On top of repelling/stopping the attacks we need to truly say "DO NOT gently caress WITH US". The real way to do that is by destroying/suppressing Radar sites and airfields. You're saying "Don't gently caress With Us, But I Might Want To gently caress Your Sister". That said, wow that's pretty detailed. And how did I forget about the drone?
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