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So if Tanahashi is NJPW's equivalent to Cena, who is NJPW's Randy Orton? e: I mean it's probably Shinsuke, but Randy hasn't reinvented himself to the level that Shinsuke has. Maybe if they'd just kept him aligned to the Wyatts he would've come into his own then, but noooooope Venomous fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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Venomous posted:So if Tanahashi is NJPW's equivalent to Cena, who is NJPW's Randy Orton? Nakamura pre gimmick change. Fucker was a great wrestler but was the blandest man alive.
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Apr 20, 2017 23:30
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crowd pops big for orton though, particularly his music hitting and his signature spots/finisher nakamura pre-charisma wasn't really over, was he?
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Apr 20, 2017 23:31
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Jerusalem posted:Yeah I'm fairly certain there were at least 1 or 2 matches between the two that were excellent, but they had so many matches against each other that they all kind of blur together in my head as a big generic, largely forgettable mess. I still remember one of the Rumbles, I think it was during the original brand split. There were a bunch of dudes in the ring, suddenly Orton and Cena came face to face after sevearl months apart. The camerawork hit a crescendo, ready for this crazy pop from the audience... and the crowd sat on their hands.
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Apr 20, 2017 23:33
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dromal phrenia posted:crowd pops big for orton though, particularly his music hitting and his signature spots/finisher This might be my own biases. Orton just never clicked for me. He has a great create a wrestler like moveset, works a good pace when he isn't a heel, and bores the poo poo out of me regardless.
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Apr 20, 2017 23:38
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Writer Cath posted:I still remember one of the Rumbles, I think it was during the original brand split. There were a bunch of dudes in the ring, suddenly Orton and Cena came face to face after sevearl months apart. The camerawork hit a crescendo, ready for this crazy pop from the audience... and the crowd sat on their hands. Yeah, if anything whenever the Orton/Cena rivalry sprang up in a video package or was mentioned in commentary the thing that immediately sprang to mind was them facing off to completely indifference from the crowd. Which in turn reminded me of what it was trying to emulate, which was the Rumble where Austin and Rock have beaten up everybody else, spot each other from across the ring and both raise to their feet ready to fight before the other wrestlers tackle them again. Now THAT was loving cool.
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Apr 20, 2017 23:52
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Was watching the Halloween Havoc with that great DDP/ Goldberg match, and I get that the answer is just 'late WCW booking', but why on earth were they pushing Rick Steiner so much? He wins a tag match against Scott and the Giant single-handed after his partner betrays him, then beats Scott in a one-on-one match with like 3 separate interferences, while kicking out of this full-on series of finishers like some smark's nightmare about Reigns
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Apr 21, 2017 00:01
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Oh. What match is this from? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7pHSatV7uA
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Apr 21, 2017 00:33
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VileLL posted:Was watching the Halloween Havoc with that great DDP/ Goldberg match, and I get that the answer is just 'late WCW booking', but why on earth were they pushing Rick Steiner so much? They thought the Rick/Scott feud was bigger than it was and had some insane goal to push the least entertaining wrestler of 98-2001 as much as possible. Who knows, Rick was old and lovely, so they wanted to push him. Part of it was probably to make Scott happier but that doesn't explain most of it.
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Apr 21, 2017 00:51
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VJeff posted:Oh. That's from DDP vs Sting
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Apr 21, 2017 01:02
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oldpainless posted:That's from DDP vs Sting The 98 version, they do a match in 99 that's better but the finish is less cool.
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Apr 21, 2017 01:04
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I guess I just naturally assumed there must've been a buttload of DDP/Sting matches. Modern WWE has educated me poorly. 
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Apr 21, 2017 01:06
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VJeff posted:I guess I just naturally assumed there must've been a buttload of DDP/Sting matches. Modern WWE has educated me poorly. They actually did have a few in 99. The great one is in April, the bad ones are later in the year when both guys were terrible. The match in the gif should be from March 23rd 98. It's really good.
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Apr 21, 2017 01:20
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remusclaw posted:This might be my own biases. Orton just never clicked for me. He has a great create a wrestler like moveset, works a good pace when he isn't a heel, and bores the poo poo out of me regardless. It's basically what... was it Rollins? said on some podcast: Randy's REALLY good, but he's so afraid of loving something up, that he'll settle for a B rather than take a risk and either end up with a C- or an A+.
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Apr 21, 2017 01:45
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Gaz-L posted:It's basically what... was it Rollins? said on some podcast: Randy's REALLY good, but he's so afraid of loving something up, that he'll settle for a B rather than take a risk and either end up with a C- or an A+. It was Rollins on Talk Is Jericho. In Rollins' own words, Randy likes to "Bat a thousand". This was in his story about their Mania 31 match, and how they almost didn't do the pop-up RKO spot, but Randy decided "gently caress it, I always play it safe, let's just do it." and they did it and it was incredible. Wish he'd learned the right lesson from that match but it two years later, it sure doesn't seem like it. MassRafTer posted:They actually did have a few in 99. The great one is in April, the bad ones are later in the year when both guys were terrible. The match in the gif should be from March 23rd 98. It's really good. I gotcha. Thanks!
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Apr 21, 2017 01:49
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VJeff posted:It was Rollins on Talk Is Jericho. In Rollins' own words, Randy likes to "Bat a thousand". This was in his story about their Mania 31 match, and how they almost didn't do the pop-up RKO spot, but Randy decided "gently caress it, I always play it safe, let's just do it." and they did it and it was incredible. Wish he'd learned the right lesson from that match but it two years later, it sure doesn't seem like it. Randy took a risk when he let Brock destroy his skull.
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Apr 21, 2017 01:53
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The problem is also that when Randy decides to take a chance and go out of his comfort zone, he is as likely to think its a good idea to do a jumping splits and just make funny faces as he is to do something cool in a match.
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Apr 21, 2017 01:54
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remusclaw posted:The problem is also that when Randy decides to take a chance and go out of his comfort zone, he is as likely to think its a good idea to do a jumping splits and just make funny faces as he is to do something cool in a match.  These words also sum up my feelings but I think you're trying to say that it's a bad thing instead of great?
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Apr 21, 2017 01:56
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dromal phrenia posted:crowd pops big for orton though, particularly his music hitting and his signature spots/finisher Yeah, young lion Nakamura wore black trunks and competed in tag matches until promoted and took a bit to find his legs after.
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Apr 21, 2017 01:58
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Well, I probably would like him more if he committed to being that weirdo. As it is, he tries something new and then goes back what he's been for years now, an over pose and a finisher. Randy Orton as a modern day George Steel is now an image in my head. Also pre charisma Nakamura was pushed as the super rookie. He was basically the culmination of late NJPW Inoki shoot fight crazy booking. He won his first IWGP belt about a year into his career. remusclaw fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Apr 21, 2017 |
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Apr 21, 2017 01:59
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The last time Randy and Cena had a one-on-one match the crowd chanted "END THIS MATCH" it was so funny.
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Apr 21, 2017 02:38
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rare Magic card l00k posted:Randy took a risk when he let Brock destroy his skull. Like he could have stopped Brock anyways.
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Apr 21, 2017 04:01
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rare Magic card l00k posted:Randy took a risk when he let Brock destroy his skull. Apparently they told him that was the finish literally on the day of SummerSlam. In retrospect, I'm surprised he didn't tell Vince to go gently caress himself on that one.
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Apr 21, 2017 04:07
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remusclaw posted:Also pre charisma Nakamura was pushed as the super rookie. He was basically the culmination of late NJPW Inoki shoot fight crazy booking. He won his first IWGP belt about a year into his career. Maybe I'm mistaken, but he had a match vs Brock during that period, didn't he?
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Apr 21, 2017 08:37
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So if Tanahashi was Cena and pre-Chaos Nakamura was Orton, where would Tetsuya Naito fit in these WWE comparisons? Got pushed hard as a face for a long-rear end time, but never really caught on until he turned heel and formed a stable. I almost wanna say Sheamus, but people still didn't care about him as a heel and the League of Nations was a hilarious failure. Maybe Nation-era Rock?
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Apr 21, 2017 08:53
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When I think of Cena/Orton, I think of a little girl in a pretty pink dress, sticking a hot dog through a donut.
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Apr 21, 2017 09:59
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Benne posted:So if Tanahashi was Cena and pre-Chaos Nakamura was Orton, where would Tetsuya Naito fit in these WWE comparisons? Got pushed hard as a face for a long-rear end time, but never really caught on until he turned heel and formed a stable. Rock is a good comparison, also the good timeline Roman Reigns
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Apr 21, 2017 10:14
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Naito is Sheamus + Big E Okada is Roman + AJ
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Apr 21, 2017 11:44
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remusclaw posted:This might be my own biases. Orton just never clicked for me. He has a great create a wrestler like moveset, works a good pace when he isn't a heel, and bores the poo poo out of me regardless.
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Apr 21, 2017 14:03
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Halloween Jack posted:Orton can be a great heel. When he's not doing that, he's the most Generic Attitude Era Tweener wrestler. Isn't that why he's constantly fighting to stay heel? Orton also seems to be a guy they turn any time a main eventer gets injured.
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Apr 21, 2017 14:22
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Halloween Jack posted:Orton can be a great heel. When he's not doing that, he's the most Generic Attitude Era Tweener wrestler. I've seen very little of Orton in general, but he seems like the perfect "Do evil poo poo and then give a  face" guy and 100% miscast for anything else.
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Apr 21, 2017 14:57
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P-Mack posted:Nathan Jones has been doing well for himself. Having a fighting game character in Tekken based on him was pretty big.
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Apr 21, 2017 15:01
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RING THE BELL THERE IS NO BELL TO RING
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Apr 21, 2017 15:00
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Pope Corky the IX posted:RING THE BELL It's one of my favourite moments in wrestling, honestly. I can show it to people who know nothing about wrestling and they're just aghast.
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Apr 21, 2017 15:02
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Corzaa posted:Positively Kanyon. I knew of the Positively Kanyon angle, but I never saw any of this. Holy poo poo, that's one of the funniest things I've ever seen in wrestling. I miss that loving guy.
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Apr 21, 2017 15:05
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I'm trying to think of the last period where Orton seemed to give his all in the ring, and it's, like, Daniel Bryan in 2013, and then a whole lot of ???
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Apr 21, 2017 15:49
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Bard Maddox posted:I'm trying to think of the last period where Orton seemed to give his all in the ring, and it's, like, Daniel Bryan in 2013, and then a whole lot of ??? What about his performance at WrestleMania this year?
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Apr 21, 2017 16:54
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Ghostpilot posted:Maybe I'm mistaken, but he had a match vs Brock during that period, didn't he? He did. Brock was the champ at the time, though, it was about 5 months before he vacated the belt due to money dispute/visa issues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBEwBoK01gk
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Apr 21, 2017 17:33
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I knew of the Positively Kanyon angle, but I never saw any of this. Holy poo poo, that's one of the funniest things I've ever seen in wrestling. I miss that loving guy. I love the shots where you think he's going to do the cutter on one of wrestlers, but nope, it's just on some random guy in the back. And his Cutter and the cameraman, and lying down next to him to give the Diamond sign to the camera is greater than anything Orton's ever done. edit: and his racing away from the arena, only to stop the car to Cutter someone truly is the greatest night in the history of the sport! Davros1 fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Apr 21, 2017 |
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Davros1 posted:I love the shots where you think he's going to do the cutter on one of wrestlers, but nope, it's just on some random guy in the back. Or the one he does during training on the tech, then runs up the stairs to BANG right at the camera. And those wide shots where you see him hit the Cutter on someone way in the background and then do the taunt in silhouette. loving brilliant
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