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Jacque Pott posted:I've just started modding in the last couple of days and made an attempt at removing ground combat: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=911546934 Mod is good -- played a game with it. Few things: - unrest rebellions spawn armies that instaconquer the planet they're rebelling on - how does bombard scale with fleet size? AI was flying single ships around and bombarding things
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Stellaris is a game that feels like it had several fairly radical re-designs as it went along, with entire core mechanics re-thought individually (perhaps by different people) without keeping their eye on the overall design. For instance the planet tile system was going to be a much more involved game of adjacency bonuses but after they implemented it they found it wasn't fun and the AI was absolute poo poo at managing it, so they just got rid of it being about adjacency bonuses but kept the tile system anyways. When a mechanic like that doesn't work out you go all the way back to the drawing board, but they didn't and the tile system is just a legacy from the adjacency based system, it wasn't designed from the ground up for the results we got. Tons of other mechanics in the game feel the same way, like the core design of how something works changed radically from initial design to release, but they just jury-rigged something together on top of the previous system's bones because there's release deadlines and budgets. I think this is a problem that's always going to haunt stellaris and it's going to take a fortune of DLC to "fix". The initial core 4x design for the game was vastly underestimated and they've been stuck with a bunch of bad legacy "design bones" or what ever to work around. Stellaris isn't a bad game, I've sunk so many hours into it and will sink more, but it's very frustrating to see how it could have been such a vastly better game if they had only laid their foundations better.
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Baronjutter posted:I think this is a problem that's always going to haunt stellaris and it's going to take a fortune of DLC to "fix". I always imagine the Paradox offices as basically that "space man sweating while looking at two red buttons" meme with one button labelled "fix old DLC" and the other "sell new DLC".
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I keep falling behind on tech compared to other civs. Any tips?
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skooma512 posted:I keep falling behind on tech compared to other civs. Any tips? Planetary Survey Corps under the Discovery tradition branch is a real shot of steroids into your research muscles. And if you got some catching up to do it can't hurt to bully smaller but more advanced civs so you can loot their tech.
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Apr 24, 2017 04:19
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Gobblecoque posted:Planetary Survey Corps under the Discovery tradition branch is a real shot of steroids into your research muscles. And if you got some catching up to do it can't hurt to bully smaller but more advanced civs so you can loot their tech. Yeah, PSC is the obvious one but it's not the only choice. Diligently scanning battle wrecks is indeed good. Also remember that you are not obliged to only build labs on top of science tiles. Most of the time the +0 tiles all get shunted to unity and then surplus minerals/energy. But if you are behind on science just slap a bunch a labs on +0 land and stuff will go up. As a last step, try to have at least one big science world by a reasonable stage of the game, give a dedicated assist-research ship, and find it a +science governor.
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Apr 24, 2017 04:42
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I just started a new game and I've met 3 fanatical purifiers already. Two of them border each other. This should be good.
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Apr 24, 2017 04:51
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Poil posted:My guess would be because there is no set point where to build them and the game needs that before it can start construction. It might be possible to program it so the constructor travels to the system and plops one down right where it enters. Or giving every system a pre-determined spot for building but that might make things weird if multiple empires try and build up the same place. Sins of Solar Empire places the stations randomly so I don't see why paradox cant figure it out stardock can.
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AriadneThread posted:first we had every game came with a day one patch, we are now entering the era where all games are early access Star Citizen.
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Apr 24, 2017 05:05
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BurntCornMuffin posted:Star Citizen. That's next-level, it's not just buying a game that doesn't exist, it's buying .jpgs of ships that don't exist in a game that doesn't exist. Chris Roberts stands astride the industry like a colossus.
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Apr 24, 2017 05:35
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skooma512 posted:I keep falling behind on tech compared to other civs. Any tips? Blow up their ships and steal their tech.
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Apr 24, 2017 05:48
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Baronjutter posted:Stellaris is a game that feels like it had several fairly radical re-designs as it went along, with entire core mechanics re-thought individually (perhaps by different people) without keeping their eye on the overall design. For instance the planet tile system was going to be a much more involved game of adjacency bonuses but after they implemented it they found it wasn't fun and the AI was absolute poo poo at managing it, so they just got rid of it being about adjacency bonuses but kept the tile system anyways. When a mechanic like that doesn't work out you go all the way back to the drawing board, but they didn't and the tile system is just a legacy from the adjacency based system, it wasn't designed from the ground up for the results we got. Tons of other mechanics in the game feel the same way, like the core design of how something works changed radically from initial design to release, but they just jury-rigged something together on top of the previous system's bones because there's release deadlines and budgets. Stellaris II, 2020, who cares
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I hate how trigger-happy the AI is on that emergency retreat button. I'm at war with a civ that has similar fleet strength to me but instead of fighting they've split their navy in two and sent them to raid my systems I guess and so when my fleet arrives he emergency retreats (and gets to do that before any actual fighting because he's technically in combat by getting stuck on mining stations). It's not even a useful strategy because every time the AI is eating a fat chunk of his own ship HP without my fleet taking any damage and all he accomplishes is maybe blowing up a starport and some mining stations.
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Apr 24, 2017 06:02
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Every time I think, "Why can't Stellaris do X with a mirror shine like Civilization?" I remember that this is a fun game that I've sunk a hundred+ hours into, and will sink another couple hundred hours into as the game mechanics become more refined and elaborate. This game will dwarf itself a couple years from now, but it's still a fun ride in the meantime. (But seriously, the unity trees need to become a binary, exclusionary choice rather than an eventuality. I shouldn't be forced to inevitably research "Domination" as a pacifist empire, and authoritarian slavers shouldn't be able to pursue "Unity.") MadJackal fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Apr 24, 2017 |
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MadJackal posted:Every time I think, "Why can't Stellaris do X with a mirror shine like Civilization?" Is that what you think of Civ? I think Baronjutter hit the nail on the head about the tile/adjacency in Stellaris. Is does feel like something that was once a big deal, but got largely thrown out probably because it was not fun and hobbled the AI. But credit where credit is due, at least Paradox realized the system sucked and got rid of it. The Civilization equivalent would be the 1 unit-per-tile system which is both micro hell and completely and utterly cripples the AI in warfare. Firaxis had to realize this, but they just said "gently caress it" and rolled that baby out. There is a reason I'm playing and complaining about Stellaris whereas Civ is a dead franchise as far as I'm concerned. At least one of them can be saved. Saved for the low low cost of $180 of DLC and six more years development
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Filthy Monkey posted:There is another way to play? Killing is the one truth path! Because 'fear and loathing', mostly. I can only speak for myself. I'm sure you'll easily bypass most of it with 'the game's ABOUT war, idiot!'. You don't want to deal with the happiness and unrest. You're concerned that your tech and armies isn't sufficient to deal with the enemy(Especially given the AI over-builds for war, not fearing the consequences). You don't want to deal with the tech penalties. You're concerned you can't deal with them before you run out of resources. You don't see those next to you as enemies to be destroyed. This is probably the biggest one. Stellaris wasn't sold entirely on the Master Of Orion/Starcraft/Warcraft 'kill everything', even though in truth that's what it might be for the most part. Early war is certainly too expensive now with Death-ports. People are still asking for trade and more espionage. People are wanting expecting things to make war the huge, rare thing it is now. Or perhaps to see it another way: They see/expect Star Trek more than Star Wars. I've only rarely been capped on Minerals. Energy's where that happens more often, because no one likes me enough to trade despite being all Spiritual and Pacifist. Finding the Trader Enclave is such a game changer. Teh Artisans are....not quite the same, because despite costing Energy, whey also have heavy Mineral costs. The Curators cost only energy, should they show up, which is also nice. Bloodly fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Apr 24, 2017 |
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Chomp8645 posted:The Civilization equivalent would be the 1 unit-per-tile system which is both micro hell and completely and utterly cripples the AI in warfare. Firaxis had to realize this, but they just said "gently caress it" and rolled that baby out. I prefer micro hell to doomstacks. Micro hell means I can think my way out of overwhelming odds, and allows things like tactical nukes (which I distinctly remember deploying in a few games) to make a huge difference. I don't see this as a fault for them.
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Gobblecoque posted:There should be an option to disable WIH without having to disable the rest of Leviathans DLC because pretty much everything else in it is great. WIH was a cool concept and one that I looked forward to but its execution was about as bad as it could possibly have been. While I agree with you at least this is easy to solve. Go neutral and when the war pops just console your warscore to 100 and force demands. It isn't perfect but it causes the Awakened Empire(s) to just vanish and everyone else to get reset back to 0. Except for the neutral league, so you want to not grow that. Alternatively if you want to leave one empire behind for fun just join one side, switch to the Awakened Empire you signed up with, and use the console again.
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Lprsti99 posted:I can dig it, will try when I get home. Did you remember to remove/replace the Shroud Avatar ground unit event? Nope, completely forgot that. My bad! I'll have that fixed in the next update. alcaras posted:Mod is good -- played a game with it. Also forgot about unrest armies; another for the update. As for bombardment the amount it reduces fortification by per day is the naval capacity of the bombarding fleet (with a cap of 200) multiplied by the strength of the current bombardment policy. I did up the damage per day of each policy (especially Full and Armageddon) so maybe that is the cause of the AI deciding small bombardment fleets would do the job. I hadn't noticed it in my own testing so I'll see if I can tweak it. I did also increase that cap to 300, for what its worth. Next version should also have siege-breaker events for when the defenses have been lowered some but not yet fully depleted. I have ones specific to Xenophobes written and will at least have Xenophile and non-ethics-related options done. For a sample, Xeno- ones can only be done to planets with at least one pop that isn't the bombarding country's founding race. Xenophobes can try to terror bomb these foreign alien's homes if they allow Full/Armageddon bombardment, killing up to 3 such pops. The bombed planet loses a lot of happiness, the survivors are pushed towards Xenophobia and Pacifism, and the bombarder loses relations across the board. In exchange for this it has good chances to cause the planet to immediately capitulate, even better if the survivors are Pacifists or Xenophiles shocked at the cruelty but less if they have the Resilient trait.
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MadJackal posted:I prefer micro hell to doomstacks. Micro hell means I can think my way out of overwhelming odds, and allows things like tactical nukes (which I distinctly remember deploying in a few games) to make a huge difference. I don't see this as a fault for them.
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I dunno if it's something weird with my game, the bizarre side effect of a mod, or how it's intended to be, or just a bug, but FEs don't seem to give a poo poo about anyone but me. I have a xenophobic FE here that will declare war on my if I come anywhere near their space, and yet two other empires are openly settling more or less right next door, and they don't seem to care. EDIT: If that's working as planned then that is the dumbest loving thing.
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ProfessorCirno posted:I dunno if it's something weird with my game, the bizarre side effect of a mod, or how it's intended to be, or just a bug, but FEs don't seem to give a poo poo about anyone but me. I have a xenophobic FE here that will declare war on my if I come anywhere near their space, and yet two other empires are openly settling more or less right next door, and they don't seem to care. Defo unusual, I have a psychotic grandpa in my game too and he slammed another empire for getting too close over and over again. Although now he seems to be okay with having said empire almost directly bubbled into his space?  Maybe there's a point where the xenophobes get bored.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/856447919465127936 In 1.6 we'll be able to find and repair ruined megastructures. This will of course make the Cybrex chain even more godly, although I assume other precursors will get the other structures to compensate.
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Neurosis posted:i'd spend long periods doing very little than upgrading surface buildings and waiting for tech to get done. But seriously, I find Hyperlanes good because I tend to have a couple of obvious choices with major trade-offs for each, compared to Warp where I just ooze outwards in an amorphous blob. I like games with "terrain". Also, makes early game exploring way less micro intensive since it's more predictable which systems my ships will chain through. e: Wiz a feature request for 1.6: Manually remove an order from a chain of orders (if it's already there somewhere just shoot me now) Splicer fucked around with this message at 11:30 on Apr 24, 2017 |
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Aethernet posted:In 1.6 we'll be able to find and repair ruined megastructures. This will of course make the Cybrex chain even more godly, although I assume other precursors will get the other structures to compensate. I could see the plague one having the observation station worked in too. Gotta monitor your subjects! Ha ha! Double meanings! To be fair, the cybrex might be too far gone to rebuild entirely.
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What I'd really like for 1.6 is to have plus and minus buttons next to ship types on the shipyard screen, so I can see how many corvettes I've ordered without having to count in my head or scroll down an interminably long list. You know. LIKE EUIV.
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Turns out starting with a tomb world appears to instantly open communications with spiritual FE who get a fun -50 opinion of you for "desecrating" a tomb world. Good thing they are on the opposite side of the galaxy. 
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I can only assume this is the hilarious result of like, several bugs colliding, but I currently have an entirely stable hive mind as part of my non-hive mind empire. So, and a bunch of this is conjecture, I got a message saying that a bunch of refugees had moved in after they were being purged and executed by their horrible ruler. I double check and realize that, uh, they're a hive mind. So I look over and find out that the empire they fled from had just finished conquering them. So my assumption here, right? Is that the hive-mind "dies in other empires" trait is configured through purging. Like, mechanically speaking, the way the game sets them all up to die is by using the same mechanic as purging. I dunno, I haven't played a hive-mind. So when they got conquered, they were set to be purged - which triggered my super lovey dovey egalitarian peacenik space elves (WITH THE GREATEST FLEET THE GALAXY HAS EVER SEEN), resettling them. At which point...nothing happened. Maybe because I can't purge, maybe refugees can't flock and immediately be purged, maybe hive minds aren't supposed to BE ABLE to refugee and the game lost it's ability to manage poo poo when that happened - I have no idea. Nobody died. I now have an entirely stable hive mind as one of my many imperial species.
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In the Mapgoons Sunday Stellaris game I built a colony ship and while it was moving over i flipped the psychic switch on my empire. Now the planet they colonized consists of a bunch of latent psionics and regular old pops without the trait. Thankfully I was able to switch immigration controls off on the original species so they are at least confined but it's an annoying bug.
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Filthy Monkey posted:Moving huge late-game fleets with wormholes is torture too, due to the way the time scales with fleet size. I know you can split the fleet and send them separately, but again, more annoying micro. If you have extra wormhole stations, your fleet transport should be automatically paralleled to save time. In my opinion, there aren't enough advantages to warrant the downsides. Gobblecoque posted:I find it funny as hell that you can't order constructors to build wormhole station from the galaxy map like you can research and mining stations. How is that still an issue almost a year past release lol Poil posted:My guess would be because there is no set point where to build them and the game needs that before it can start construction. It might be possible to program it so the constructor travels to the system and plops one down right where it enters. Or giving every system a pre-determined spot for building but that might make things weird if multiple empires try and build up the same place. I'd like something similar for defence stations.
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Poil posted:Turns out starting with a tomb world appears to instantly open communications with spiritual FE who get a fun -50 opinion of you for "desecrating" a tomb world. Good thing they are on the opposite side of the galaxy. 
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Wormhole would be cooler if it weren't an FTL method like the others but as a late game option to build the stations, which would just be gates between different systems. Which might be a bit broken if not balanced in some way.
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GunnerJ posted:Wormhole would be cooler if it weren't an FTL method like the others but as a late game option to build the stations, which would just be gates between different systems. Which might be a bit broken if not balanced in some way.
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Splicer posted:Yeah, starting with warp or hyperlane your choice and later unlocking a (heavily reworked) wormhole system as a midgame would be good. Since it wouldn't need to be a viable primary travel system you sidestep the whole bunch of corner case issues, which opens up a whole rakeload of alternate implementations. My real ideal system would be for all FTL to start out as hyperlanes and then you get a mid-game tech that upgrades your drives to operate like hyperlane if there's a hyperlane between two systems, but like warp if there isn't. Warp-type transit would be much slower, but possible if there's no other route. Also there could be different speed levels of hyperlane so you could have a network with "main lines" and "branches."
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I'd like to see an unlockable tech that lets you build new hyperlanes (for a significant time & resource cost)
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GunnerJ posted:My real ideal system would be for all FTL to start out as hyperlanes and then you get a mid-game tech that upgrades your drives to operate like hyperlane if there's a hyperlane between two systems, but like warp if there isn't. Warp-type transit would be much slower, but possible if there's no other route. GunnerJ posted:Also there could be different speed levels of hyperlane so you could have a network with "main lines" and "branches." ZekeNY posted:I'd like to see an unlockable tech that lets you build new hyperlanes (for a significant time & resource cost) Splicer fucked around with this message at 13:10 on Apr 24, 2017 |
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