Animation Thread 2017: "These Movies don't cater to the 25-40 demographic"

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Looper: Mar 1, 2012

Hedrigall posted:

Tell me if I'm chewing wood into the wind here, but I'm still revisiting my childhood obsession with Angry Beavers for the 20th anniversary of the show, and I'm just now reading this interesting article about the show's decline: https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/nickelodeons-angry-beavers-nearly-ended-by-making-the-main-characters-realize-they-were-going-to-die-922

I found this bit, um, interesting:

I also found out that Nick Bakay (voice actor of Norbert, as well as Salem the cat on Sabrina the Teenage Witch) co-wrote both Paul Blart movies

Bugs Bunny would be real disappointed I tell you what

# ? Apr 24, 2017 06:51

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# ? May 8, 2024 23:44

Bimmi: Nov 8, 2009; someday
but not today

Hedrigall posted:

Would you buy a lump of clay if I told you it was used in the movie?

Look, it still has one eighth of a Nick Park thumbprint!

Aardman's storage facility burnt to the ground and they lost some 30 years' worth of sets and puppets.

# ? Apr 24, 2017 17:06

Guy Mann: Mar 28, 2016; by Lowtax

I think if I was a kid I'd probably find television animation way more inspiring in that the modern crop of post-Adventure Time shows are all creator-driven and hugely personal and tend to be helmed by younger people.

# ? Apr 24, 2017 18:50

Pick: Jul 19, 2009; Nap Ghost

Bimmi posted:

Failing that, anything from The Great Piggy Bank Robbery.

Extremely good choice.

I'd kill for a good sketch of Marahute, too.

How the Grinch Stole Christmas cel of Grunch, $20

I'm only liking good deals to you guys because you're my frenz :colbert:

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e" This is the only animation paraphernalia from A Troll in Central Park I have ever seen. It is a terrible movie, do not buy this.

Pick fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Apr 24, 2017

# ? Apr 24, 2017 21:17

dirksteadfast: Oct 10, 2010

Pick posted:

e" This is the only animation paraphernalia from A Troll in Central Park I have ever seen. It is a terrible movie, do not buy this.

But it's the troll being beaten, that's gotta count for therapeutic purposes.

As for dream cels, I guess "Smile everyone" from Great Mouse Detective would be cool, but that's just an on the spot answer, I'm sure I have better ones.

# ? Apr 24, 2017 21:38

Das Boo: Jun 9, 2011; There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.

So I saw Secret Life of Pets on Netflix and watched it. It was just kind of a bunch of stuff that happened. No one felt particularly motivated (maybe Gidget?) and Snowball kept turning on a dime. They also used that "cute thing, but attacks" repeatedly. I think they probably should have cut back on the characters and tried to develop their relationships more. Even Duke's emotional subplot fell flat for me because no one had any real time to develop, they were busy reacting to plot mechanics. Backgrounds were pretty? Them modeling the cat's rear end in a top hat was weird, though. Nobody else seemed to have that.
I guess I'm not surprised it made a billion dollars or whatever, not in a world where the only thing that rivals porn are cat videos. Though the film seemed to not like cats much.

# ? Apr 25, 2017 09:23

DC Murderverse: Nov 10, 2016; "Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

Pick posted:

How the Grinch Stole Christmas cel of Grunch, $20

I look at this and I can't help but get the feeling that this isn't from the original How The Grinch Stole Christmas at all. The color seems off and the face seems detailed differently.

Actually, upon further reflection, it's the brown nose. And also the description below that says that it's from a promo for when they released the original on VHS for the first time. Explains why it's so cheap.

# ? Apr 25, 2017 09:45

Pick: Jul 19, 2009; Nap Ghost

DC Murderverse posted:

I look at this and I can't help but get the feeling that this isn't from the original How The Grinch Stole Christmas at all. The color seems off and the face seems detailed differently.

Actually, upon further reflection, it's the brown nose. And also the description below that says that it's from a promo for when they released the original on VHS for the first time. Explains why it's so cheap.

Whoops, my bad! There have been such cheap things on I got lazy. But there has been some primo stuff on there for next to nothing, for example a sketch of Aladdin confronting the jerk on a horse that ended up going for $10. I think someone probably died and their collection is being sold off for whatever, because usually something like that starts at a hundo no matter what it is.

# ? Apr 25, 2017 17:47

SolarFire2: Oct 16, 2001; "You're awefully cute, but unfortunately for you, you're made of meat." - Meat And Sarcasm Guy!

Pick posted:

What's everybody's dream cel? What's the cel that's out there you dream of owning? Anybody? (Assuming you can't resell it for cash money)

Something from Beavis and Butt-head Do America. Probably the scene where Beavis-as-Cornholio is talking to the foreign diplomats.

# ? Apr 25, 2017 18:41

Pick: Jul 19, 2009; Nap Ghost

God I still love the Trolls soundtrack.

# ? Apr 25, 2017 19:09

CRINDY: Sep 23, 2010; forget about ur worries and ur strife

https://twitter.com/disneyanimation/status/856933287817654272

# ? Apr 25, 2017 19:13

Barudak: May 7, 2007

Well Disney, its not unexpected but I have no positive feelings toward this development.

# ? Apr 25, 2017 19:16

Das Boo: Jun 9, 2011; There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.

I still can't think of much to do with the story that wouldn't be goofy or trite. (Wah-hoooah, FIRE PRINCESS~!) I guess figure out why the gently caress Elsa's ice powers include the creation of sentient life.

# ? Apr 25, 2017 20:27

Tuxedo Catfish: Mar 17, 2007; You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

Das Boo posted:

I still can't think of much to do with the story that wouldn't be goofy or trite. (Wah-hoooah, FIRE PRINCESS~!) I guess figure out why the gently caress Elsa's ice powers include the creation of sentient life.

This is such a weird thing to say. There are a million interesting stories you could tell about a young girl ascending to the throne of a medieval kingdom with the powers of a demiurge.

# ? Apr 25, 2017 21:07

smug n stuff: Jul 21, 2016; A Hobbit's Adventure

idk if it's been discussed already, but Wes Anderson is making another stop-motion movie!
No trailer or anything, but it's coming out April 2018 apparently.

# ? Apr 25, 2017 21:10

K. Waste: Feb 27, 2014; MORAL:
To the vector belong the spoils.

smug n stuff posted:

idk if it's been discussed already, but Wes Anderson is making another stop-motion movie!
No trailer or anything, but it's coming out April 2018 apparently.

Yoko Ono?! SOLD!

# ? Apr 25, 2017 21:15

Shadow Hog: Feb 23, 2014; Avatar by Jon Davies

I recall hearing about it when they announced the name of the film, which revealed about as much as we know now.

# ? Apr 25, 2017 21:14

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

Shadow Hog posted:

I recall hearing about it when they announced the name of the film, which revealed about as much as we know now.

Now I know how to write Jeff Goldblum in Japanese, or possibly Klingon.

# ? Apr 25, 2017 21:25

Das Boo: Jun 9, 2011; There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

This is such a weird thing to say. There are a million interesting stories you could tell about a young girl ascending to the throne of a medieval kingdom with the powers of a demiurge.

Problem is, Elsa's a god. You either match her up against another elemental god, redact her godhood, figure out why she's a god or... I don't know, Elsa finds true love? Elsa's not fun enough to road trip with. :mad:

Elsa's OP, the only thing that gave the first story conflict was her hosed-up emotional issues. Without that, it's DBZ.

# ? Apr 25, 2017 21:30

Tuxedo Catfish: Mar 17, 2007; You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

Or give her problems that can't be solved by the application of raw power.

# ? Apr 25, 2017 21:32

Das Boo: Jun 9, 2011; There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.

Now remember, this is a Disney movie. We need physical threats for the chase scene(s).

# ? Apr 25, 2017 21:34

wdarkk: Oct 26, 2007; Friends: Protected
World: Saved
Crablettes: Eaten

Elsa's nobility plots against her in secret, she must determine who her real friends and enemies are.

Or just replace everyone with perfectly loyal snowcreatures.

# ? Apr 25, 2017 21:46

Das Boo: Jun 9, 2011; There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.

I think I'm just real burnt by Disney/Pixar's handling of sequels. They tend to either retread ground or stomp it.
Rescuer's Down Under was good, tho.

# ? Apr 25, 2017 21:55

Shadow Hog: Feb 23, 2014; Avatar by Jon Davies

I remember Aladdin and the King of Thieves being pretty decent, at least.

Return of Jafar, not so much, but of all the DisneyToon DTV sequels, it's still in the inoffensive upper echelon.

# ? Apr 25, 2017 22:11

Schwarzwald: Jul 27, 2004; Don't Blink

wdarkk posted:

Elsa's nobility plots against her in secret, she must determine who her real friends and enemies are.

Or just replace everyone with perfectly loyal snowcreatures.

Can I take a moment to say that I really felt pity for the giant snow golem Elsa creates to chase her sister away?

It was a thinking, living thing that was imbued with a purpose it died in an attempt to fulfill. It was basically a brother to Olaf.

# ? Apr 25, 2017 22:14

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

Das Boo posted:

I think I'm just real burnt by Disney/Pixar's handling of sequels. They tend to either retread ground or stomp it.
Rescuer's Down Under was good, tho.

what if a wacky magical mishap leaves her stranded in modern-day New York and/or LA, and she has to enlist the help of a couple plucky kids to adapt to modern concepts of what it is to be 'cool'

# ? Apr 25, 2017 22:15

Das Boo: Jun 9, 2011; There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

what if a wacky magical mishap leaves her stranded in modern-day New York and/or LA, and she has to enlist the help of a couple plucky kids to adapt to modern concepts of what it is to be 'cool'

*Lunges at monitor like a bird attacking its reflection*

# ? Apr 25, 2017 22:24

21 Muns: Dec 10, 2016; by FactsAreUseless

Das Boo posted:

Now remember, this is a Disney movie. We need physical threats for the chase scene(s).

Elsa has a psychological episode and is the physical antagonist of the movie, trying to kill her family and friends.

# ? Apr 25, 2017 22:24

Tuxedo Catfish: Mar 17, 2007; You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

A group of peasants revolt in an attempt to establish democracy in Arendelle.

# ? Apr 25, 2017 22:26

Das Boo: Jun 9, 2011; There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.

21 Muns posted:

Elsa has a psychological episode and is the physical antagonist of the movie, trying to kill her family and friends.

I think you hit my issue like a nail. Elsa is best served as an antagonist because she's by far, far, far the biggest threat in the setting. Again, unless you introduce more gods.

WAIT.

MAKE ELSA FIGHT HADES.

# ? Apr 25, 2017 22:27

Hedrigall: Mar 27, 2008; by vyelkin

Frozen 2: Even Frozer

Frozen 2: The Meltdown

Frozen 2: Frozone (it's an Incredibles crossover)

# ? Apr 25, 2017 22:29

Regalingualius: Jan 7, 2012; We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.

I've never seen Frozen; does it have someone who could [be considered an analogue for Rasputin (and/or Lenin)?

# ? Apr 25, 2017 22:29

Das Boo: Jun 9, 2011; There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.

Regalingualius posted:

I've never seen Frozen; does it have someone who could [be considered an analogue for Rasputin (and/or Lenin)?

The reindeer motivates a character through said character's own narrations, so yes.

# ? Apr 25, 2017 22:31

Tuxedo Catfish: Mar 17, 2007; You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

Regalingualius posted:

I've never seen Frozen; does it have someone who could [be considered an analogue for Rasputin (and/or Lenin)?

I mean the trolls are kind of "trusted holy advisors of the royal family" but they're good-natured, morons, and I was kind of hoping they'd be written out of continuity.

# ? Apr 25, 2017 22:32

Hedrigall: Mar 27, 2008; by vyelkin

Elsa becomes a super villain, creates the iceberg that sinks the Titanic

# ? Apr 25, 2017 22:34

Acebuckeye13: Nov 2, 2010; Ultra Carp

The setting of the previous film is revealed to be a highly-complex computer simulation, created for the entertainment of children in a highly advanced, utterly alien society

# ? Apr 25, 2017 22:41

wdarkk: Oct 26, 2007; Friends: Protected
World: Saved
Crablettes: Eaten

Schwarzwald posted:

Can I take a moment to say that I really felt pity for the giant snow golem Elsa creates to chase her sister away?

It was a thinking, living thing that was imbued with a purpose it died in an attempt to fulfill. It was basically a brother to Olaf.

It doesn't die.

It puts on her missing crown in the post-credits scene.

Hedrigall posted:

Frozen 2: Frozone (it's an Incredibles crossover)

This is actually a really interesting idea. Elsa wants to marry the prince of not-Ethiopia and various assholes plot to undermine her. The post credits scene reveals her kid has ice-powers too.

# ? Apr 25, 2017 22:42

Acebuckeye13: Nov 2, 2010; Ultra Carp

wdarkk posted:

This is actually a really interesting idea. Elsa wants to marry the prince of not-Ethiopia and various assholes plot to undermine her. The post credits scene reveals her kid has ice-powers too.

Actually make it explicitly Ethiopia, and at the end of the movie they die fighting the Italians.

# ? Apr 25, 2017 22:44

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

no real plot it's just Olaf the snowman doing slapstick for 90 minutes while he goes about what is apparently just a normal day. Elsa and her family appear, briefly, at the beginning.

Acebuckeye13 posted:

Actually make it explicitly Ethiopia, and at the end of the movie they die fighting the Italians.

i'd be down for revisionist ice-powers Adwa

# ? Apr 25, 2017 22:44

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# ? May 8, 2024 23:44

Pick: Jul 19, 2009; Nap Ghost

Why does a sequel need a ramping up? It should just be them doing sister stuff.

# ? Apr 25, 2017 22:44

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