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Holyshoot
May 6, 2010

panda clue posted:

Aren't you the goon that borrowed a 5l belly from another goon (who told you not to gently caress with it), and then you 6l'd it and put them on ignore when they asked for it back later? loving robbing a goon for less than 1ex lmao
Please give, I mean, SELL (wink wink) me your stuff goons.

lmbo

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Bob NewSCART
Feb 1, 2012

Outstanding afternoon. "I've often said there's nothing better for the inside of a man than the outside of a horse."

panda clue posted:

People literally paid for these specifically, though.


Aren't you the goon that borrowed a 5l belly from another goon (who told you not to gently caress with it), and then you 6l'd it and put them on ignore when they asked for it back later? loving robbing a goon for less than 1ex lmao




Literally have no clue what you're talking about but yeah sure I did that I guess if it makes you feel better about getting angry lol

YoungSexualNorton
Aug 8, 2004
These are good for the children's brains.

Goa Tse-tung posted:

HoWA Raider can do everything with ease, but is expensive


you could experiment playing other builds as a Raider (like Ngamahu or Tornado Shot or Poison Bladeflurry), the only thing you can't really do is spellcasters

Raider can do a pretty interesting RF/SR build with blood dance, if you count that as spellcasting. You end up with less aoe, life regen, and SR damage compared to marauder/templar in exchange for way more move speed and dodge. Having 9k life, 46/40 dodge, ele affliction immunity, and 25% regen makes it really hard to die.

panda clue
May 23, 2014

Bob NewSCART posted:

Literally have no clue what you're talking about but yeah sure I did that I guess if it makes you feel better about getting angry lol

The guy you told to 'stop eating piss cheerios' remembers it quite well. Maybe remove him from ignore and respond to him in game and he can remind you.

Bob NewSCART
Feb 1, 2012

Outstanding afternoon. "I've often said there's nothing better for the inside of a man than the outside of a horse."

panda clue posted:

The guy you told to 'stop eating piss cheerios' remembers it quite well. Maybe remove him from ignore and respond to him in game and he can remind you.

Lol is this a joke? The only item I've ever "loaned" was scolds bridle from funman, which I gave back to him. Stop trying to make up weird poo poo dude, also good stealth edit but not good enough

panda clue
May 23, 2014

Bob NewSCART posted:

also good stealth edit but not good enough

?

Bob NewSCART
Feb 1, 2012

Outstanding afternoon. "I've often said there's nothing better for the inside of a man than the outside of a horse."

Like what a weird loving thing to pull out of thin air and then start getting internet detective about it. Is this really the hill you wanna die on ?

What are you expecting? A heartfelt apology for something that I am literally completely clueless about? You should stop eating piss cheerios too I think

panda clue
May 23, 2014

Bob NewSCART posted:

Like what a weird loving thing to pull out of thin air and then start getting internet detective about it. Is this really the hill you wanna die on ?

What exactly am I 'internet detectiving'? Just passing on what I heard.

Goa Tse-tung
Feb 11, 2008

;3

Yams Fan

YoungSexualNorton posted:

Raider can do a pretty interesting RF/SR build with blood dance, if you count that as spellcasting. You end up with less aoe, life regen, and SR damage compared to marauder/templar in exchange for way more move speed and dodge. Having 9k life, 46/40 dodge, ele affliction immunity, and 25% regen makes it really hard to die.

RF is an aura :colbert:


but that is a kewl build yeah, totally forgot that interaction

Bob NewSCART
Feb 1, 2012

Outstanding afternoon. "I've often said there's nothing better for the inside of a man than the outside of a horse."

panda clue posted:

What exactly am I 'internet detectiving'? Just passing on what I heard.

You seem pretty convinced it was me so maybe you should do some internet detectiving actually and find out who the real culprit was!

Goa Tse-tung
Feb 11, 2008

;3

Yams Fan

YoungSexualNorton posted:

Raider can do a pretty interesting RF/SR build with blood dance, if you count that as spellcasting. You end up with less aoe, life regen, and SR damage compared to marauder/templar in exchange for way more move speed and dodge. Having 9k life, 46/40 dodge, ele affliction immunity, and 25% regen makes it really hard to die.

alright I thought about this, and RF should turn off once you start phasing, right?

sounded to cool to be true

panda clue
May 23, 2014
e: eh gently caress it

panda clue fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Apr 30, 2017

MMF Freeway
Sep 15, 2010

Later!

Goa Tse-tung posted:

alright I thought about this, and RF should turn off once you start phasing, right?

sounded to cool to be true

I don't think so since ignite is the status ailment you're immune to while phasing and RF is just a burn degen. Like you can kill it with a dousing flask but that's because that specifically removes burns as well as making you immune to ignites.

MY DEAD GAY FORUM
Jun 3, 2014
Game...good?

J
Jun 10, 2001


yes game good

Pooncha
Feb 15, 2014

Making the impossible possumable
game good players bad

Anything to look for in a character who wants to spec in Firestorm on a budget? Likely going Elementalist though I might try an Inquisitor version down the line.

Only condition is that it shouldn't rely on double-dipping shenanigans given the upcoming changes to that.

The Broletariat
May 23, 2004
I wonder if there's beer on the sun?

panda clue posted:

e: eh gently caress it

To be fair he didn't put me on ignore, but every time I asked him if he was gonna hit me back I was met with a 'yeah later' until I just gave up. Cool dude tho.

YoungSexualNorton
Aug 8, 2004
These are good for the children's brains.

Goa Tse-tung posted:

alright I thought about this, and RF should turn off once you start phasing, right?

sounded to cool to be true

Nah it's just burning, so affliction immunity doesn't affect it. Same reason inquisitor is a good choice for RF.

Bob NewSCART
Feb 1, 2012

Outstanding afternoon. "I've often said there's nothing better for the inside of a man than the outside of a horse."

The Broletariat posted:

To be fair he didn't put me on ignore, but every time I asked him if he was gonna hit me back I was met with a 'yeah later' until I just gave up. Cool dude tho.

Yeah I'm honestly being dead serious I have literally zero memory of this so I highly doubt that it was me in question but if it was and my memory is completely absent of it then my bad goon. That would have been my first character I actually ever levelled and I also used a carcass jack the entire time I played him but oh well

NPR Journalizard
Feb 14, 2008

Pooncha posted:

game good players bad

Anything to look for in a character who wants to spec in Firestorm on a budget? Likely going Elementalist though I might try an Inquisitor version down the line.

Only condition is that it shouldn't rely on double-dipping shenanigans given the upcoming changes to that.

I have been following this build and it's fun so far.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1460817/page/1

Two golems, two curses, zombie meat wall and a skeleton totom has enough stuff to keep me active, but not constantly button clicking.

Goa Tse-tung
Feb 11, 2008

;3

Yams Fan

Pooncha posted:

game good players bad

Anything to look for in a character who wants to spec in Firestorm on a budget? Likely going Elementalist though I might try an Inquisitor version down the line.

Only condition is that it shouldn't rely on double-dipping shenanigans given the upcoming changes to that.

One idea I had: go Occultist SR CWC FS so you can invest literally all your money into going CI and Poisonstorm later. You can run two defensive curses and one dps curse, keep the SR at level 1 so you can ignore mana, pump everything into dps and life.

http://poedb.tw/us/passive-skill-tr...B_xbPfX-ej60g==

zxqv8
Oct 21, 2010

Did somebody call about a Ravager problem?
Honestly you could probably level up SR and still not pay much for it.

Or use blight as it remains mana cheap all the way to 20.

edit; Best option: Wither.

Stangg
Mar 17, 2009
God I hate the trials so much, there I am mapping just fine, invested a reasonable amount of chaos into getting a 5 link hezmanas and 5 link chest. Nothing has been scary at all so I decided to go back and do the merc trials, get caught out by spinning spikes, panic, miss the logout button and goodbye slayer. I really dislike that you can't outgear the traps, I have 5.5k hp and if anything it makes the traps harder to deal with because my flasks can't keep up with the percentage based drop.

George
Nov 27, 2004

No love for your made-up things.
Trials are the #2 reason I will never play HC in this game. #1 is the feckless UI that's unable to communicate a single thing about monster abilities to the player ever.

Oodles
Oct 31, 2005

#3 is my own stupidity.

George
Nov 27, 2004

No love for your made-up things.
Yeah that's #3-10 for me.

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

"I want a challenge". Plays hardcore. Stacks defense/does strand 24/7. God this game is easy. Dies anyway.

Stangg
Mar 17, 2009
I've considered playing sc to learn the various difficult things before doing them on hc but where is the fun in that,I dont think I would enjoy the game if I didnt get mad when I died or have my heart race when scary stuff spawns. Speed levelling up and getting a bit further trying new things is probably more interesting than grinding the same map 24/7 anyway, I'm pretty sure I ended up currency positive still even losing the gear and gems that I did.

But still, gently caress trials.

Valle
Apr 16, 2004

Telling customers how to solve world problems since 2001

Stangg posted:

I dont think I would enjoy the game if I didnt get mad when I died or have my heart race when scary stuff spawns.

You'll get a bit mad when you die in SC as well, though only once you're close to/over 90, and nowhere near the HC level obviously. I'd just get too mad playing HC. To all the people who have hit 90+ on HC, I salute you, and will never join you. :shobon:

J
Jun 10, 2001

Just don't be like some of my friends that say softcore is boring then proceed to rip 10 characters before getting to level 50 on any of them and quit the game because playing through normal is boring. :milk:

Bob NewSCART
Feb 1, 2012

Outstanding afternoon. "I've often said there's nothing better for the inside of a man than the outside of a horse."

I don't know, I find the most fun part of the game to be when your character really starts getting more powerful after you've finished n/c/m and can equip better gear/have more of your tree filled out. Having to play with one hand on my log out macro just in case anything remotely scary happens kind of not only defeats the purpose of it actually being hardcore but also just seems a lot less enjoyable than going balls to the wall fast and still having that feeling "loving poo poo" when you rip and lose your XP. To each their own obviously but in a game where latency/Fps can just gently caress you as well I'm gonna stick to babby core.

George
Nov 27, 2004

No love for your made-up things.
The best part of this game, like D2, is watching a plan come together. It happens differently and at different times for each build, but there's always that breakpoint where you spend the strength you saved and put on that piece of gear from your stash that laces it all together.

Nobody ever asked for a HC version of Path of Building.

ZenVulgarity
Oct 9, 2012

I made the hat by transforming my zen

The most fun part for me is math

Bob NewSCART
Feb 1, 2012

Outstanding afternoon. "I've often said there's nothing better for the inside of a man than the outside of a horse."

ZenVulgarity posted:

The most fun part for me is math

Same

Stangg
Mar 17, 2009
I still don't use a logout macro to this day, I always felt like it was a tad cheaper than trying to alt f4 and most of the time, by the time I remember to alt f4 I'm too panicked to hit it or it's too late. I do quite enjoy the learning curve when i come back to the game every few leagues . levelling quicker and quicker after a rip and learning what I can push and can't. I'm pretty sure I play this game more like its rogue legacy.

Each death has been easier to deal with despite being further progressed and I'm definitely going to throw them some more cash for a supporter pack so I can spend coins on the new stash tabs that came out since I last played.

zxqv8
Oct 21, 2010

Did somebody call about a Ravager problem?
The reason people use logout macros is because alt-f4 doesn't remove your character from the world immediately and usually results in the death you'd be trying to avoid.

On the other hand, clicking logout bumps you out right away.

Holyshoot
May 6, 2010

Stangg posted:

I still don't use a logout macro to this day, I always felt like it was a tad cheaper than trying to alt f4 and most of the time, by the time I remember to alt f4 I'm too panicked to hit it or it's too late. I do quite enjoy the learning curve when i come back to the game every few leagues . levelling quicker and quicker after a rip and learning what I can push and can't. I'm pretty sure I play this game more like its rogue legacy.

Each death has been easier to deal with despite being further progressed and I'm definitely going to throw them some more cash for a supporter pack so I can spend coins on the new stash tabs that came out since I last played.

They design the game around being able to log out. So you're only hurting yourself not doing that. Hth

panda clue
May 23, 2014

zxqv8 posted:

The reason people use logout macros is because alt-f4 doesn't remove your character from the world immediately and usually results in the death you'd be trying to avoid.

On the other hand, clicking logout bumps you out right away.

This is false. GGG has said multiple times that pressing alt+f4 immediately sends the server the logout packet before even attempting to close the application. People are either stuck in their old ways from before this change was made (literally years ago), refuse to believe GGG, or are just don't know this is how it works.

Holyshoot posted:

They design the game around being able to log out. So you're only hurting yourself not doing that. Hth

They design the game around people having the ability to log out, not under the assumption that people will always do it. They don't, for example, put mechanics in the game where the only solution is 'logout or die'. There is no problem with people never using a logout macro; I personally don't. Hth

Stangg
Mar 17, 2009
With the way I play I'd probably be better off manually going escape+ click than trying to alt f4. I know the game is designed in a way that it's a solution,using a macro has just always felt wrong to me in my enjoyment of the game.

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YoungSexualNorton
Aug 8, 2004
These are good for the children's brains.
There's an order of magnitude difference in time investment at risk in hardcore. Those stakes make it fundamentally more interesting for me. It's the same as the difference between playing poker at a casino for real money vs playing at home betting quarters just for the hell of it. One is fun, the other is ok I guess if there's nothing else to do.

As for the alt-f4 poo poo, the truth lies somewhere in the middleİ. Mashing it at the barest hint of danger is kinda lame, doing it when you think lag or something else weird is happening seems pretty reasonable.

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