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i thought it was gonna be like some da vinci code thing where 15 is a secret nazi number
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SSNeoman posted:Holy gently caress you are naive as all hell. the banks never deserved to be bailed out. if anyone did the people did. but since that was impossible, the banks who hosed everything up should've just collapsed. it probably would've allowed for a faster recovery since we'd be free of the ultracorrupt banks we have now that drag down our economy with graft. just like with iceland. Condiv fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Apr 30, 2017 |
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I'm in fact for a higher minimum wage, whixh is why I oppose any movement for a higher minimum wage.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_yOc5MUrz4 I wonder how many of the people who think that Bernie isn't LGBT supportive enough are actually LGBT. Because the criticisms have the feel of a "staunch ally" fighting the crusades without a clue. It's like the men who kowtow to feminists by saying the reason Hillary lost is because she's a woman and too many of the other men, the ones who aren't staunch allies, haven't gotten over that yet. I'm not interested in fighting with gay activists for queer rights, or women fighting for womens rights, etc. They have a right to their prerogative. But I sure have a bone to pick with "allies" because a number of them seem to be in the business of flagellating themselves and everyone like them for approval.
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Apr 30, 2017 22:27
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Brainiac Five posted:A cool thing about the $15/hr minimum wage proposal is that no Bernout can explain why that number was picked. oooh me me me it was picked because it's a sizable increase ok thanks
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Apr 30, 2017 22:26
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Condiv posted:i don't really buy the whole "NAFTA is necessary and phasing it out will doom us all" bs. I literally just posted two articles on why it will. And two scientific papers. Condiv posted:it's an opinion piece, of course it takes a side. also, provide examples of the straight-up lies? US and Canada have prospered greatly from NAFTA and it was ultimately a success. Mexico not so much, but that's a separate argument. The jobs won't come back if you repeal NAFTA, Condiv. Even discounting automation. Seriously dude this is loving fact. Ask anyone with an economics degree.
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Brainiac Five posted:Beautiful optics here. I can hear the sneer in your voice and feel the spittle. This post is great irony. By far the most condescending posters in this thread have been the people attacking leftists and defending Democrats/Clinton. Someone in another thread pointed out something that I think best articulates what bothers me the most about posts like this (the posts sarcastically attacking and condescending to leftists). A lot of these people resort solely to sarcastic attacks on others but never actually reveal their own ideology and say what their specific political goals actually are. I think this is because hiding your own views is a form of rhetorical defense. If you never actually articulate your own ideology, you can always claim that other people are straw-manning you. On some level these people may also realize that a lot of their real views have clear problems that can easily be attacked. For whatever flaws they might have, at least the leftists in threads like this usually make their ideology clear and explicit, instead of just cowardly talking down to others without even revealing their own views. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Apr 30, 2017 |
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Apr 30, 2017 22:26
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Brainiac Five posted:Ah yes, the well-known racism that afflicts white people. I've been longing for more posts about how "centrists" attack white people, those are always fun. Famously post-Soviet people are the same as American WASPS.
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Apr 30, 2017 22:27
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Ytlaya posted:This post is great irony. By far the most condescending posters in this thread have been the people attacking leftists and defending Democrats/Clinton. Whoever described them as smugly wrong nailed it. They're so loving sure of themselves despite the massive losses they suffered.
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Apr 30, 2017 22:30
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quote:These kinds of accusations suggest that you are unwilling to listen to anyone that disagrees with you All I had before your most recent post explicitly talking about $22/hr with supplementary housing and childcare was "Do you even know why the figure is $15/hr?" and Brainiac Five posted:"$15/hr minimum wage is insufficient, for several reasons, one of which is that it disproportionately benefits white people due to higher unemployment for other racial groups and a higher percentage of black-market or grey-market labor." from page 63 and Brainiac Five posted:This level of intellectual and moral laziness is a good case for why Bernie or Busters need to be put in reeducation camps. No wonder you guys come out with gems like "speaking has no use-value" and "raising minimum wage will end police brutality". from page 61, so pardon me for not waiting until you finished holding the "Do you even know why?" question over Majoran's head. We agree with one another on every policy that's been mentioned. I don't know why we were even debating anymore except for debating the debating tactics.
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Apr 30, 2017 22:29
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steinrokkan posted:I'm in fact for a higher minimum wage, whixh is why I oppose any movement for a higher minimum wage. Well, Europeans are well-known for being genocidal degenerates and congenital fascists, so I'm not surprised you'd say such a thing, especially with such poor spelling. Ytlaya posted:This post is great irony. By far the most condescending posters in this thread have been the people attacking leftists and defending Democrats/Clinton. Actually, I think insisting that the average person is too stupid to have opinions or an ideology is infinitely more condescending than anything I or anyone else has written, by virtue of that fact that I expected you to be able to comprehend it. So, in the end, you are infinitely more condescending than am I, my man. steinrokkan posted:Famously post-Soviet people are the same as American WASPS. Y'all are still gweilo. 
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:oooh me me me it was picked because it's a sizable increase ok thanks No I think there was a grand plan around choosing a nice round number, I'm actually smart.
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Condiv posted:the banks never deserved to be bailed out. if anyone did the people did. but since that was impossible, the banks who hosed everything up should've just collapsed. ... whoah buddy. uhh give me a second I need to process this cause wow dude. Wow.
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oh god... 15 is the atomic number of phosphorus... i cant believe this... white phosphorus
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galenanorth posted:All I had before your most recent post explicitly talking about $22/hr with supplementary housing and childcare was "Do you even know why the figure is $15/hr?" and You're interpreting "this is not enough" as "we should do nothing", and "minimum wage would not solve police brutality" as "no more
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Apr 30, 2017 22:32
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Brainiac Five posted:Well, Europeans are well-known for being genocidal degenerates and congenital fascists, so I'm not surprised you'd say such a thing, especially with such poor spelling. Minimum wage confirmed for racism and fascism After all would minimum wage help Obama make more money?
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Calibanibal posted:oh god... 15 is the atomic number of phosphorus... i cant believe this... white phosphorus Rich people and Effectronica should be burned alive
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Apr 30, 2017 22:34
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Brainiac Five posted:You're interpreting "this is not enough" as "we should do nothing", and "minimum wage would not solve police brutality" as "no more Your lovely candidate was advocating for 12 dollars. In case you aren't aware, 12 is a smaller number than 15, so her plan was less good
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Apr 30, 2017 22:34
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steinrokkan posted:Minimum wage confirmed for racism and fascism Man I dunno what goes through your head that makes you think posts like these will deflect accusations of racism, that are plainly a play on Europeans sneering at Americans, something which you are quite guilty of yourself. In fact, it makes you seem more like a racist to anyone who isn't inculcated in the Bernie faith.
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SSNeoman posted:I literally just posted two articles on why it will. And two scientific papers. your articles talk about repealing nafta raising prices, which is just about the dumbest complaint ever. people need to be paid more and we can't do that with NAFTA in effect and the rich able to pit the poor of mexico and the poor of the US against each other so effectively. and also lol at that scientific paper seeing we need the TPP and more TPPs. thanks, no. also, i doubt the "the jobs won't come back" doomsaying. the people who say that never try to bring them back and in fact help outsource more and more jobs.
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15 minus 1... is 14. 14 words. i cant believe the bernouts almost fooled me
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Europeans are just better people, deal with it and stop whining about your inferiority. I mean I realize you are just a mongrel, but you can still at least pretend to have a semblance of dignity.
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SSNeoman posted:... whoah buddy. oh, i should be happy they got trillions of dollars and everyone else got hosed over. we got to pay for their idiot mistakes, and our economy has suffered cause of it.
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Apr 30, 2017 22:37
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Condiv posted:the banks never deserved to be bailed out. if anyone did the people did. but since that was impossible, the banks who hosed everything up should've just collapsed. it probably would've allowed for a faster recovery since we'd be free of the ultracorrupt banks we have now that drag down our economy with graft. just like with iceland. Some rear end in a top hat bank, I think Bank of America, used customer deposits as leverage for their investment debt, because if the shareholders ate everyone's money it would be up to the government to restore it through the FDIC, and it was far more than the government could restore through those channels. The recession is now so long ago I don't remember which ratfuckers did this, but I think it was BofA covering their Meryll Lynch wounds. The answer is not to destroy banks but to insist on a regulatory wall between investment banking and consumer banking, but third way Dems feel that's unnecessary and that with enough oversight this incestuous relationship can continue. Yes, that sounds about as successful as the IRS's inability to keep up with billionaires and their accountants on how to hide and swindle money out of the country's tax fund.
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Brainiac Five posted:Actually, I think insisting that the average person is too stupid to have opinions or an ideology is infinitely more condescending than anything I or anyone else has written, by virtue of that fact that I expected you to be able to comprehend it. So, in the end, you are infinitely more condescending than am I, my man. ...what? What are you talking about*? When did I talk about the average person being too stupid to have an ideology? My post was talking about posters in these forums who deliberately hide their own ideology as a form of preemptive defense and do nothing but attack other people. * Like, I'm not saying this to imply you're being dumb, I legitimately have no loving idea what you're talking about.
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Condiv posted:your articles talk about repealing nafta raising prices, which is just about the dumbest complaint ever. people need to be paid more and we can't do that with NAFTA in effect and the rich able to pit the poor of mexico and the poor of the US against each other so effectively. Oh sure, we could bring back manufacturing jobs by deindustrializing the rest of the world by repeated violence, or by destroying automation and doing everything by hand. I'm sure UAW and USW and UMWA members would gladly go along with that. frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:Your lovely candidate was advocating for 12 dollars. In case you aren't aware, 12 is a smaller number than 15, so her plan was less good So what is this post meant to accomplish, apart from psychosexual gratification on your part? Calibanibal posted:15 minus 1... is 14. 14 words. i cant believe the bernouts almost fooled me steinrokkan posted:Europeans are just better people, deal with it and stop whining about your inferiority. steinrokkan posted:Rich people and Effectronica should be burned alive Take a look at the level of politics people like Majorian and Ytlaya think should be the future of the world.
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Craptacular! posted:Some rear end in a top hat bank, I think Bank of America, used customer deposits as leverage for their investment debt, because if the shareholders ate everyone's money it would be up to the government to restore it through the FDIC, and it was far more than the government could restore through those channels. The recession is now so long ago I don't remember which ratfuckers did this, but I think it was BofA covering their Meryll Lynch wounds. i hate so much that we bailed them out, didn't break them up, shielded them from prosecution, and now they're even more powerful than before and they're playing idiot games with the economy again also i doubt it was completely impossible for us to protect people's moneys while letting banks fall on their own swords wrt debt. we managed to find a way just to lob free money at banks at let them keep repossessing houses Condiv fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Apr 30, 2017 |
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steinrokkan posted:I'm in fact for a higher minimum wage, whixh is why I oppose any movement for a higher minimum wage. Let not the perfect be the enemy of the bad.
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Lol at this fragility displayed by an American mongrel subhuman. Rule Yugoslavia
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Calibanibal posted:15 minus 1... is 14. 14 words. i cant believe the bernouts almost fooled me Bernie originally wanted it to be increased to $14.88 bernie.. C'mon
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Homeless Friend posted:Bernie originally wanted it to be increased to $14.88 what the gently caress, bernie?? ytala, majorian... this is the man you wanted to be president.
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Homeless Friend posted:Bernie originally wanted it to be increased to $14.88 He decided to increase it because while it would remove the symbolic meaning, the higher wage would simply kill more minorities.
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Brainiac Five posted:Actually, I think insisting that the average person is too stupid to have opinions or an ideology is infinitely more condescending than anything I or anyone else has written, by virtue of that fact that I expected you to be able to comprehend it. So, in the end, you are infinitely more condescending than am I, my man. People aren't stupid, they're poorly informed. And to paraphrase Nelson Mandela, the people who are poorly informed are often arrogant and aggressive with the beliefs they've cobbled together. You can be very educated and also be poorly informed. And frankly, I think that's what's going on here.
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Ytlaya posted:...what? What are you talking about*? When did I talk about the average person being too stupid to have an ideology? My post was talking about posters in these forums who deliberately hide their own ideology as a form of preemptive defense and do nothing but attack other people. Well, it was in the previous thread, which I don't care to dig through to dig up your posts about how the average voter is a moron. If you don't remember your posts well enough to understand what I am accusing you of, I guess that suggests you're too inculcated in that ideological belief to discuss it. steinrokkan posted:Lol at this fragility displayed by an American mongrel subhuman. Talk about how I'm a cosmopolitan coastal elite next, child of collaborators.
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Brainiac Five posted:Talk about how I'm a cosmopolitan coastal elite next, child of collaborators. My granddad hosed Blondi the Hitler Dog, and out came your mom. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I personally use a credit union, but I wouldn't hold it against anyone for using a bank. I only ever used a bank because I was moving over 500 miles, and wanted the kind of ubiquitous chain-store experience of having branches where I was going and leaving. And then I left them again when they began loving me to spite government regulators.
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Craptacular! posted:Some rear end in a top hat bank, I think Bank of America, used customer deposits as leverage for their investment debt, because if the shareholders ate everyone's money it would be up to the government to restore it through the FDIC, and it was far more than the government could restore through those channels. The recession is now so long ago I don't remember which ratfuckers did this, but I think it was BofA covering their Meryll Lynch wounds. Steven Mnuchin: Hahahahah you are like a little baby! Watch this Craptacular! posted:The answer is not to destroy banks but to insist on a regulatory wall between investment banking and consumer banking, but third way Dems feel that's unnecessary and that with enough oversight this incestuous relationship can continue. Yes, that sounds about as successful as the IRS's inability to keep up with billionaires and their accountants on how to hide and swindle money out of the country's tax fund. You'll hear no argument from me, though to the Dems credit Dodd-Frank has helped a lot. If for no other reason then because banks need to leave a rainforest's worth of paper detailing their scams which did a lot to curtail the more egregious assholes. We need way, way more loving regulation though yes. Also Condiv, quote:Iceland's recovery has become a myth wrapped in a legend inside a legend. It let its banks fail, slashed household debt, let its currency collapse, put capital controls in place—and now it's doing better than those countries that did austerity! In reality, Iceland let its banks fail for foreigners, wrote down household debt only after their laws had made it worse, had no choice but to watch the krona plummet, but, at the same time, tried to keep it from plunging too far by limiting how much money people could take out of the country We absolutely cannot do this with US dollar. Like this is to economics what turning off gravity is to physics. That last line is an interesting idea though. Seraphic Neoman fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Apr 30, 2017 |
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steinrokkan posted:My granddad hosed Blondi the Hitler Dog, and out came your mom. Bragging about being from a long line of dogfuckers just to make the spiciest your mom joke they have in Gaybashery, Bohemia is quite the tactic. Craptacular! posted:People aren't stupid, they're poorly informed. And to paraphrase Nelson Mandela, the people who are poorly informed are often arrogant and aggressive with the beliefs they've cobbled together. Alternatively, people have ideological beliefs about the way the world works, which leads them to support, eg, Republicans, Dianne Feinsteins, etc.
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steinrokkan posted:My granddad hosed Blondi the Hitler Dog, and out came your mom. Nice meltdown in the "The Democrats are a waste" thread
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