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a bone to pick
Sep 14, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

The Bananana posted:

I just reinstalled fallout 4

psst, download this mod to make settlements less of an rear end in a top hat

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/21872/

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PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

a bone to pick posted:

psst, download this mod to make settlements less of an rear end in a top hat

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/21872/

Oh that's awesome. It's surprising they didn't include something like this at launch. The settlements feel so dead because the settlers don't do jack poo poo unless you tell them to.

Zorodius
Feb 11, 2007

EA GAMES' MASTERPIECE 'MADDEN 2018 G.O.A.T. EDITION' IS A GLORIOUS TRIUMPH OF ART AND TECHNOLOGY. IT BRINGS GAMEDAY RIGHT TO THE PLAYER AND WHOEVER SAYS OTHERWISE CAN, YOU GUESSED IT...
SUCK THE SHIT STRAIGHT OUT OF MY OWN ASSHOLE.

BUY IT.

Jeza posted:

I highly recommend seeking out Sacrifice. It was a criminally underrated game (although received well critically iirc) at the time and failed to sell. But it was pretty pioneering in terms of aesthetics, gameplay and design, as well as graphically (for 2000). Even since then there's never really been a game like it that I can think of, especially with how the campaign narrative is played out. Also it has Tim Curry in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1AFOkCcW6U

Sacrifice was such an awesome game. You could do crazy poo poo like casting a spell that creates a full-size erupting volcano, or cuts the earth away entirely, permanently changing the map.

The writing and voice acting was fantastic. It had humor and pathos and an interesting story, and cool psychedelic art, and a lot of strategic depth.

Why are really good things seldom popular?

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

PostNouveau posted:

Oh that's awesome. It's surprising they didn't include something like this at launch.

its because bethesda always half asses everything and plans for modders to pick up the slack later

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

Rutibex posted:

its because bethesda always half asses everything and plans for modders to pick up the slack later

It seems super obvious, but like, you send a settler to a settlement, and then next time you go back they've built a weapons shop. And hey look, the weapons shop dude has a quest he needs done to upgrade his shop.

Uh oh, Jim Bob's mad at Alan and they're fighting. You're gonna have to separate them or kill one of them or talk them out of it or something.

No, no, gently caress all that. Everyone will just stand around waiting for you to give them orders instead.

a bone to pick
Sep 14, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

PostNouveau posted:

Oh that's awesome. It's surprising they didn't include something like this at launch.

I've been saying this since Oblivion

The Bananana
May 21, 2008

This is a metaphor, a Christian allegory. The fact that I have to explain to you that Jesus is the Warthog, and the Banana is drepanocytosis is just embarrassing for you.



Do they have fallout mods for ps4 yet?

a bone to pick
Sep 14, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

The Bananana posted:

Do they have fallout mods for ps4 yet?

yeah but they're pretty lovely, sorry.

they got better mods on xbox and that's just sad

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

HAT FETISH posted:

Terranigma is the best snes game

Bloody Mary!
Bloody Mary!
Bloody Mary!

(still really good in spite of that boss)

Lodin posted:

All modern Ubisoft games have certain achievements that give you funbux that carries over between games and can't be bought. The first thing I did in Far Cry 4 was buy a big fuckoff revolver with a scope and it broke the earlier parts in glorious ways.

While Uplay sucks balls otherwise this was a cool thing to implement.

That's the only thing I actually like about Uplay and I wish more game companies bothered to put some kind of interconnectivity features in their games.

Comfy Fleece Sweater
Apr 2, 2013

You see, but you do not observe.

basic hitler posted:

video games peaked on the PC during the period of pixel and voxel isometric rpgs and RTS games. This period died with the release of warcraft 3, a lovely terrible loving game that birthed the mods and culture that would render the RTS genre to a bunch of lovely dota clones, tower defense games, and the kind of trash like Dawn Of War 2 and CoH 2 that tryhards worship and nobody else, and with knights of the old republic, replacing cool isometric RPGs with lovely 3D third person bioware trash and its imitators.

I strongly agree although DoW2 was good?

Pretty good
Apr 16, 2007



super sweet best pal posted:

Bloody Mary!
Bloody Mary!
Bloody Mary!

(still really good in spite of that boss)
Bloody Mary + the boss in the ice mountain place + the final battle were the only really tough parts of that game (well, aside from being screwed out of fully upgrading all the cities if you do them out of order Ugh)

I love Terranigma very much and I need to replay it already, it's been like a decade since my last run through it

SpaceClown
Feb 13, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

basic hitler posted:

video games peaked on the PC during the period of pixel and voxel isometric rpgs and RTS games. This period died with the release of warcraft 3, a lovely terrible loving game that birthed the mods and culture that would render the RTS genre to a bunch of lovely dota clones, tower defense games, and the kind of trash like Dawn Of War 2 and CoH 2 that tryhards worship and nobody else, and with knights of the old republic, replacing cool isometric RPGs with lovely 3D third person bioware trash and its imitators.

Tbf total annihilation brought us planetary annihilation

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


is that a good thing?

Waffle House
Oct 27, 2004

You follow the path
fitting into an infinite pattern.

Yours to manipulate, to destroy and rebuild.

Now, in the quantum moment
before the closure
when all become one.

One moment left.
One point of space and time.

I know who you are.

You are Destiny.


Destiny was/is great.

SpaceClown
Feb 13, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

basic hitler posted:

is that a good thing?

no

SpaceClown
Feb 13, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
The only good rts these days are made by eugen or the men of war devs. Everything else sucks rear end

Comfy Fleece Sweater
Apr 2, 2013

You see, but you do not observe.

SpaceClown posted:

The only good rts these days are made by eugen or the men of war devs. Everything else sucks rear end

I've heard Grey Goo was a good RTS but gently caress you if you think I'm going to play something called Grey Goo lol

beep by grandpa
May 5, 2004

I cheated my way through deus ex upgrading all my weapon skills to max at the start cause I hated that I was this super skilled state of the art augmented agent dude who couldn't hit the broad side of a mountain with a rifle. Enjoyed everything else though.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.
Shin Megami Tensei 3 is the best JRPG by a wide margin.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.
The last good console generation was the DC/PS2/GC generation.

The original Xbox had like 3 good exclusive games. All were from Sega.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

VideoTapir posted:

The last good console generation was the DC/PS2/GC generation.
100% agree, i've been saying this for years

SpaceClown
Feb 13, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

VideoTapir posted:

Shin Megami Tensei 3 is the best JRPG by a wide margin.

Counterpoint, SMT sucks.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









WAY TO GO WAMPA!! posted:

hacking and lockpicking minigames are the best

I could sit around picking locks in Oblivion all day

The planet scanning minigame in mass effect 2 was fun and satisfying.

Tunggggggggg.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









hamtaro posted:

Bioshock original was a System Shock spiritual successor (RPG shooter in maze-like rooms with puzzles and a high-tech, isolated feel). It also came with a (at the time unique) weapon upgrade system and political commentary on liberterianism and objectivism. It hasn't aged great, but it's still a good game. You got an ending that asked questions about player agency in a way that AAA games tend not to do. The sequel was solid as well, being slightly superior in gameplay and slightly inferior in story. The games haven't aged great, but they're still good.

Infinite throws all that away, and glues half-baked ponderances about infinity onto Borderlands-quality gameplay. Instead of political commentary, you have characters throwing around extinct racial slurs. It's a very weak sequel, and for some reason it's more popular than the original.

No, everyone hates it these days, and weirdly it also turns out they always hated it even though it was very popular at the time, poss bc of quantum time magic. It had a black character who turned out to be unpleasant which some people thought made it a very bad game.

I think it was a decent to good shooter with amazing set design and a clever premise, but didnt quite cash its cheques in terms of fight design and the alternate world powers.

sebmojo fucked around with this message at 10:02 on May 27, 2017

a bone to pick
Sep 14, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
I liked exploring planets in mass effect 1, I wish they expanded on that concept rather than going completely linear

The Dennis System
Aug 4, 2014

Nothing in Jurassic World is natural, we have always filled gaps in the genome with the DNA of other animals. And if the genetic code was pure, many of them would look quite different. But you didn't ask for reality, you asked for more teeth.

VideoTapir posted:

Shin Megami Tensei 3 is the best JRPG by a wide margin.

Those SMT games are like a hundred hours long and require a ton of grinding. No thank you.

WAY TO GO WAMPA!!
Oct 27, 2007

:slick: :slick: :slick: :slick:

sebmojo posted:

The planet scanning minigame in mass effect 2 was fun and satisfying.

Tunggggggggg.
Yeah, I enjoyed that too, the sound effects and ambient noises really did help.

a bone to pick posted:

I liked exploring planets in mass effect 1, I wish they expanded on that concept rather than going completely linear
Andromeda expands greatly on ME1's planet exploration but ends up having so many other problems that I still haven't finished it. It took most of the things I liked about ME1, threw in a better combat/leveling system, and STILL managed to crap it's pants.

Not really an unpopular opinion, tho

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

VideoTapir posted:

The original Xbox had like 3 good exclusive games. All were from Sega.

the original Xbox was the best console ever made, once i soft modded it and added a 300gb HD :twisted:

The Dennis System
Aug 4, 2014

Nothing in Jurassic World is natural, we have always filled gaps in the genome with the DNA of other animals. And if the genetic code was pure, many of them would look quite different. But you didn't ask for reality, you asked for more teeth.
Open worlds, crafting, skill trees, and gathering resources can all gently caress off. At least for a while. How about a straight-forward action game for once?

phasmid
Jan 16, 2015

Booty Shaker
SILENT MAJORITY

The Dennis System posted:

Open worlds, crafting, skill trees, and gathering resources can all gently caress off. At least for a while. How about a straight-forward action game for once?

And no story! Jesus am I tired of having to be either the chosen one or some chump who progresses far enough and then BECOMES the chosen one. I just want to shoot people with a grenade launcher and watch their incredible quantities of blood shower the map.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

VideoTapir posted:

The last good console generation was the DC/PS2/GC generation
.

Well duh. After 2006 or so PC began a massive resurgence in accessibility, consoles had to become more like PCs, mobile games started to take off, the Wii fragmented the market, Sony/Microsoft began their "we want to be the nexus of your living room" pissing contest, and the prominence of middle-budget offbeat games largely dried up because of development costs.

quote:

The original Xbox had like 3 good exclusive games. All were from Sega.

Not entirely true if you add a huge asterisk of "for the time" to most of them.

Phantom Dust, Stranger's Wrath, Mechassault, Steel Batallion, Ninja Gaiden (for a time), Dead or Alive 3, Project Gotham, and the Conker Remake were all worth a drat.

phasmid posted:

And no story! Jesus am I tired of having to be either the chosen one or some chump who progresses far enough and then BECOMES the chosen one. I just want to shoot people with a grenade launcher and watch their incredible quantities of blood shower the map.

For real. The older I get the more I find myself agreeing with John Carmack's quote that plot in a video game is like plot in a porn movie-- you need it to be there, but it's not what anyone is there for and the sooner you push it aside the better. There are many exceptions, but way too many games ask you to wait half an hour + before you get to the game portion of the game. Even Metal Gear Solid V opens with some self-important garbage where you have to drag a body out of a burning hospital with garbage controls. No Kojima, I don't care how invested I am in concluding your byzantine bullshit franchise--and I am invested--I just want to get to the gameplay and then pull that "story-through-mechanics" poo poo.

mind the walrus fucked around with this message at 17:05 on May 28, 2017

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

The Dennis System posted:

Open worlds, crafting, skill trees, and gathering resources can all gently caress off. At least for a while. How about a straight-forward action game for once?

making good action is hard, you can't fill a game with 60+ hours of good action or you will break the design budget. there needs to be a bunch of collection and open world random bullshit to fill out the time. otherwise you won't be able to justify a $80+DLC price tag. jeez man think ahead!

phasmid
Jan 16, 2015

Booty Shaker
SILENT MAJORITY

mind the walrus posted:

For real. The older I get the more I find myself agreeing with John Carmack's quote that plot in a video game is like plot in a porn movie-- you need it to be there, but it's not what anyone is there for and the sooner you push it aside the better.

There are a few exceptions, of course, but yeah I'd agree with Carmack on that one, which segues neatly into this...

Rutibex posted:

making good action is hard, you can't fill a game with 60+ hours of good action or you will break the design budget. there needs to be a bunch of collection and open world random bullshit to fill out the time. otherwise you won't be able to justify a $80+DLC price tag. jeez man think ahead!

"Story" in a videogame is usually just a tatterdemalion of stuff jacked from novels and movies. This often starts of as pastiche (Mass Effect 1, Fallout 3) but fans - who largely do not read books meant for adults - experience the plot twist or the horrible reveal and think WOW SO ORIGINAL. It also adds time to gameplay when you can slap a few cutscenes in there that cannot be skipped, esp so they can explain the reason your mission is going to take at least an extra hour is because kobolds sabotaged the railway and you have to go down in to the tunnels or whatever bullshit.

On a related subject, I hate it when young people talk about "ka-thoo-loo". You have not read the story, you little poo poo. Do not talk to me about Lovecraft because some youtube slut brought it up.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


Monster Hunter is garbage

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

phasmid posted:

"Story" in a videogame is usually just a tatterdemalion of stuff jacked from novels and movies. This often starts of as pastiche (Mass Effect 1, Fallout 3) but fans - who largely do not read books meant for adults - experience the plot twist or the horrible reveal and think WOW SO ORIGINAL. It also adds time to gameplay when you can slap a few cutscenes in there that cannot be skipped, esp so they can explain the reason your mission is going to take at least an extra hour is because kobolds sabotaged the railway and you have to go down in to the tunnels or whatever bullshit.

See: Every loving JRPG loving ever holy poo poo

phasmid
Jan 16, 2015

Booty Shaker
SILENT MAJORITY
S'truth.

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

Bioshock 1 was always terrible, even at launch, and Bioshock:Infinite owns to this day, and I get really annoyed when I share that opinion with someone and they laugh it off like I'm bandwagoning or something. gently caress off, Bioshock was awful and I gave away my PC copy to my roommate (because I could do that - it was on discs) after beating it in like three very disappointing days.

The biggest flaw in B:I's story, to me, is that the ending falls a little flat because Elizabeth doesn't seem to exist in the o.g. Bioshock Rapture and I don't think there's really any analogue for her. Shouldn't she be a huge, major part of the plot, just based on what we see in B:I?

Al Borland Corp. posted:

Monster Hunter is garbage

Also this even though I keep buying these fuckin things every few years before remembering how poo poo they are. i'm sure i'm going to end up with the switch one when that comes out. luckily MH coming to a system seems to herald a bunch of actual good games

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.

mind the walrus posted:

See: Every loving JRPG loving ever holy poo poo

Not SMT3; which is one of the many reasons it is the best.

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

VideoTapir posted:

Not SMT3; which is one of the many reasons it is the best.

also the version of SMT3 that i think most people ended up playing just has a random cameo of dante from devil may cry, because he's a cool dude, why wouldn't he be in this cool-rear end game

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hard counter
Jan 2, 2015





Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

I strongly agree although DoW2 was good?

:same:

instead of aping other RTSes and getting out-competed by twitchier franchises it did its own hybrid thing in 2009 and i respect that

phasmid posted:

There are a few exceptions, of course, but yeah I'd agree with Carmack on that one, which segues neatly into this...


"Story" in a videogame is usually just a tatterdemalion of stuff jacked from novels and movies. This often starts of as pastiche (Mass Effect 1, Fallout 3) but fans - who largely do not read books meant for adults - experience the plot twist or the horrible reveal and think WOW SO ORIGINAL..

i generally agree re: game stories but when you do enough reading and you realize almost everything's been done before anyway you can sometimes loop back around to appreciating the little spins that get put on old ideas, nonetheless you'll still detest it when whole blocks of ideas are recycled wholesale

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