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Fojar38 posted:http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v2/n9/full/nclimate1560.html Hey look everybody, he's linking news articles that are 1.5, 2, and 5 years old when articles by the same publications since then are praising the target of the original article for turning it around and he thinks that isn't EXACTLY WHAT EVERYONE IS ACCUSING HIM OF DOING
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Night10194 posted:Wasn't there also an announcement that businesses are mostly continuing to cut back on coal because it's worthless now anyway? That's my understanding. They've shifted to natural gas and everyone but the coal industry knows that's dead. I've seen a bunch of debates about this the last week where the Republican has to quickly admit that coal is stupid and shift their argument to "JOBS!" or "well, liberals don't like natural gas either." But I'm nothing near an expert.
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Papal Infallibility posted:I think the point I'm getting at is that gearing up for a confrontation of some sort is going to get you killed anyways so your only real defense is foresight and not being around when the militias start kicking down doors or whatever. But this is a pointless derail and I'm sorry for getting involved. I had a conversation with one of my wife's ammosexual in-laws who did 2 tours in Iraq with the Oregon National Guard at Thanksgiving a few years back that kinda went... Ammosexual in-law: I can't believe you live in "the city" and don't have a gun to protect your family. Me: Meh, I have a big, loud dog. So any ne'er do wells that are thinking of breaking into our house will hear big, loud dog & likely move on to a softer target. AIL: Let me tell you how little a big, loud dog dissuaded us in Iraq. Me: Well, when the time comes that I'm worried about professional US soldiers kicking in my door, I will have likely armed myself.
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trump will still be president on Nov 4, 2020 even if he loses in the greatest landslide since whoever lost to Washington
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Hell, why not do this with every idiotic thing his base wants but is actually too stupid to do without causing huge amounts of damage and harming the republican brand. "We'll do everything you want! Everything!.... One day after you re-elect us! no really!"
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Chilichimp posted:Hey look everybody, he's linking news articles that are over 1.5, 2, and 5 years old when articles by the same publications since then are praising the target of the original article for turning it around and he thinks that isn't EXACTLY WHAT EVERYONE IS ACCUSING HIM OF DOING "Well, they may have lied about this up until this point, but surely now they are telling the truth, for it fits my narrative to believe them now!" Literal trump-voter logic. What about the other articles people have posted that are from April this year?
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Jun 1, 2017 20:16
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Fojar38 posted:The EU has approximately a negative one billion percent chance of enacting sanctions on the US There's serious talk among some of the leaders about putting a carbon tax on all US imports if the US withdraws from the Kyoto Protocol.
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Jun 1, 2017 20:17
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The United States is pretty much that quote from Batman "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the Villain" Can't wait for World War part III the world united against the US.
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empty whippet box posted:Hell, why not do this with every idiotic thing his base wants but is actually too stupid to do without causing huge amounts of damage and harming the republican brand. "We'll do everything you want! Everything!.... One day after you re-elect us! no really!" They were going to do that with Obamacare but since Trump is an idiot he insisted it happen immediately
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Solaris 2.0 posted:The United States is pretty much that quote from Batman "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the Villain" Germany is really excited about the redemption arc where they get to lead the free world against their one-time mentor who beat the poo poo out of them in the middle act.
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Jun 1, 2017 20:18
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evilweasel posted:i already did, idiot, and you went "oh perhaps my idiot president was just senile at that moment" despite that he was reading a pre-prepared speech, idiot So the US withdrew those troops that were sent to Eastern Europe in January and everyone is melting down in NATO headquarters, right?
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evilweasel posted:trump will still be president on Nov 4, 2020 even if he loses in the greatest landslide since whoever lost to Washington If he loses the election, perhaps the rest of the world would allow an extension so the new president can reverse it or something like that. Amend the treaty? It's probably uncharted ground.
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Valiantman posted:There's serious talk among some of the leaders about putting a carbon tax on all US imports if the US withdraws from the Kyoto Protocol. The US never ratified the Kyoto protocol, so whoever is saying this is about 20 years too late.
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Majorian posted:I'm kind of bewildered at how irrecoverable you think the fallout of this bad decision will be. How does this mortally wound the US in a way that the Dubya admin's decisions didn't? The economic impact of climate change will be huge. The current estimates include the median city (by population) losing 1.4% to 1.7% of GDP per year by 2050, and 2.3% to 5.6% GDP per year by 2100. Let that sink in for a minute.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:This: The idea is a binding round 2 of climate negotiations would lay down the framework for the transition to a post-carbon economy and include mechanisms to handle non-compliant states. It would take a new international treaty, but so does any binding action on climate change. Majorian posted:Sure, but I'm talking about the Paris agreement. Basically this 4-8 year period was the last chance for the US to take a leadership role on climate. In completely abdicating we'll cede that role. A normal Republican would have tried to keep the US as a "leader" on climate if only to better our negotiating position.
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Night10194 posted:Oh, so we can undo that mistake, at least. No? The next president, assuming we don't gently caress up again, doesn't take office the day after. Trump will still be in power till January 20-something 2021. We could re-enter the agreement, but putting this on hold for 4 years is terrible and probably too far gone.
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Night10194 posted:Oh, so we can undo that mistake, at least. Its so that he can run on saving coal again in 2020, after he does nothing to help it and as it dies from market forces
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Jun 1, 2017 20:20
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Solaris 2.0 posted:The United States is pretty much that quote from Batman "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the Villain" As long as it isn't nuclear we could really use a New Marshall Plan.
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Weren't we close to meeting the goals anyway due to market forces shifting away from coal?
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Fojar38 posted:So the US withdrew those troops that were sent to Eastern Europe in January and everyone is melting down in NATO headquarters, right? hey idiot, the head of germany started talking the very next day about how maybe they were going to need to move forward without the united states
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Jun 1, 2017 20:21
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Jun 1, 2017 20:22
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clockworkjoe posted:Weren't we close to meeting the goals anyway due to market forces shifting away from coal? Yes. Since Trump took office a lot of ink was spilled about how coal is never coming back not because of climate agreements but because technology has moved on.
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Jun 1, 2017 20:22
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I hope president Trumps EOs the USA from Paris. Nothing of this brexit negotiations crap. OUT OUT OUT
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Night10194 posted:Germany is really excited about the redemption arc where they get to lead the free world against their one-time mentor who beat the poo poo out of them in the middle act. As a man of German descent, I welcome my future-German overlords with open arms if it means the final death of fascism.
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clockworkjoe posted:Weren't we close to meeting the goals anyway due to market forces shifting away from coal? Yeah, the massive investments the Obama Administration made in renewables has paid off to a degree that is not really commonly realized: solar is now cost-effective compared to coal. Nobody wants coal anymore. Coal is poo poo.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The US never ratified the Kyoto protocol, so whoever is saying this is about 20 years too late. Yeah, it's populist talk but the point is that the US participation, even though it really isn't participation, is still important. Not saying anything like that will happen but the sentiment to not just let the US do whatever it wants with no consequences is there.
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The Glumslinger posted:Its so that he can run on saving coal again in 2020, after he does nothing to help it and as it dies from market forces This seems ill considered.
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evilweasel posted:hey idiot, the head of germany started talking the very next day about how maybe they were going to need to move forward without the united states Yeah, the USA should be worried about the Germans.
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IMO NYC and whatever shithole city MaraLaGo is in should build gerrymandering canals that make all the water go to Donnie's places.
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enraged_camel posted:The economic impact of climate change will be huge. The current estimates include the median city (by population) losing 1.4% to 1.7% of GDP per year by 2050, and 2.3% to 5.6% GDP per year by 2100. I am aware of this. Problem is, this was a non-binding agreement, so it probably wouldn't have done much. It's still a bad move, but no worse than a lot of the terrible international blunders we've made over the past 17 years.
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PhazonLink posted:IMO NYC and whatever shithole city MaraLaGo is in should build gerrymandering canals that make all the water go to Donnie's places. nah just bulldoze it
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evilweasel posted:hey idiot, the head of germany started talking the very next day about how maybe they were going to need to move forward without the united states And the next day their administration sought to mollify that sentiment. In addition, words cost nothing, especially words that are done in the middle of a more intense than expected election campaign. Maybe foreign affairs and the fundamental forces that affect the relationships between nations consist of more than whatever the most recent headline was. Do you think that this is the first time a European leader has said "We don't need those drat Yankees?" France loving withdrew from NATO in 1958.
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I see a lot of people calling each other idiot, but I'm not quite sure I understand what y'all are arguing about. Am I correct that you all dislike the idea of leaving Paris, but the difference is in how disastrous it will be to in fact leave? I just wanna know who to cheer for when one you calls the other a loving moron.
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Heh... it's almost like he wants to be kicked out of office, hahahah he probably does
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PhazonLink posted:IMO NYC and whatever shithole city MaraLaGo is in should build gerrymandering canals that make all the water go to Donnie's places. He don't care. 20 years and he will be dead of old age. Not his problem.
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Fojar38 posted:"Well, they may have lied about this up until this point, but surely now they are telling the truth, for it fits my narrative to believe them now!" Literal trump-voter logic. Someone else carrying your water for you doesn't make your post any less dumb. And while China is definitely lying with regard to their climate efforts, they still have efforts and are genuinely pursuing them, instead of literally turning their back on the rest of the world in the face of natural catastrophe. None of this matters, however, he's not even fuckin' going to do it. We're in the accord until after the 2020 election and he probably won't pull the trigger then either.
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evilweasel posted:trump will still be president on Nov 4, 2020 even if he loses in the greatest landslide since whoever lost to Washington Maybe in this most hilarious timeline, on Nov 4 2020 Trump will be re-elected and simultaneously impeached by the Senate.
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DoctorGonzo posted:I hope president Trumps EOs the USA from Paris. Nothing of this brexit negotiations crap. Alexa Bliss sucks almost as much as your terrible trolling.
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Hellblazer187 posted:I see a lot of people calling each other idiot, but I'm not quite sure I understand what y'all are arguing about. Am I correct that you all dislike the idea of leaving Paris, but the difference is in how disastrous it will be to in fact leave? I just wanna know who to cheer for when one you calls the other a loving moron. All of us dislike the US leaving the Paris agreement. But some of us are approaching it rationally while others are engaging in fever dreams of a united Sino-German empire imposing sanctions on the USA. Chilichimp posted:And while China is definitely lying with regard to their climate efforts, they still have efforts and are genuinely pursuing them, instead of literally turning their back on the rest of the world in the face of natural catastrophe. What?
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