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The Glumslinger posted:The likely successors are likely gonna be just as bad, if not worse, but welp, they get their shot now. I hope its Germany +EU and not Russia or China If a meteor slammed into North America tomorrow but it was a magic meteor that only destroyed North America and left everything else the same, the new center of power would be the EU, although they would need to get to work on building a navy real quick
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Coal is down 86%!!! We must abandon our international obligations to save this extremely profitable industry.
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Phoix posted:Reminder that the accord says every country can determine their own standards so when Trump says he wants a better deal, he's just lying outright. Its the second one, he doesn't understand this treaty, he just knows that Obama wanted it, and that means its bad
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berserker posted:To a smart Democratic Party this would cement that whoever is on the 2020 ticket will run on a platform of climate change and staying in the Paris agreement. "If you elect me, we will stay in the Paris agreement, we will not abandon our children and our children's children" We'll see if the Democratic Party is smart. 
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Mystic Mongol posted:It's literally their job to clap. I want Trump to force Jeb! to lead the "please clap" brigade.
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Zil posted:If they don't clap the bomb collars go off. If they don't clap they're locked in a room with one of the TrumpSpawn.
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Night10194 posted:If I understand right her party is completely destroying all comers in the polls right now. Wow. But I'm sure Germans are lapping up how tough and clever she looks next to Trump.
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"The rest of the world applauded when we signed the agreement. I say gently caress the world!"
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berserker posted:To a smart Democratic Party this would cement that whoever is on the 2020 ticket will run on a platform of climate change and staying in the Paris agreement. "If you elect me, we will stay in the Paris agreement, we will not abandon our children and our children's children" We'll see if the Democratic Party is smart. Trump would still be incumbent, the next president elect would not have that power
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Now Hillary can say, vote for me and ill put the coal industry out of job for supra national deals!!!! wait...
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Fojar38 posted:And the next day their administration sought to mollify that sentiment. In addition, words cost nothing, especially words that are done in the middle of a more intense than expected election campaign. my god you're dumb yes, it is a big deal that one of the lynchpins of the post-war order is openly talking about how the united states is no longer trustworthy you keep blathering about how the post-war order is super stable and whatever and it's stable because of america which is currently getting wrecked
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Night10194 posted:http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/when-youre-feeling-low-just-remember-ill-be-dead-i-31008 I don't see Melania waiting a year or so to pull the plug if he were on life support. I envision a well-practiced, "My Donald was very clear he would not want to live like this and I would like to withdraw care immediately so that he may die with dignity." Unless she has more of a social filter than him, after a brief pause she will continue, "Any idea where a lady could get a drink, dinner, and a good lay around here?"
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Probably already beaten by pages but the US is officially pulling out of the Paris climate agreement, and Trump plans to negotiate a new deal. https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/po...KUSP/story.html
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Germany's trade surplus and policies forcing the ECB to maintain deflation in the Eurozone are a short-term boon to Germany relative to its neighbors, but it is setting Germany up for a major economic catastrophe down the road. Ha. I'm just being facetious and venting. I realize the world is tied to the US both economically and militarily whether they or we like it or not. Honestly, it makes the fact that Trump is POTUS all that more scary, and how irresponsible we, as American citizens, have been with the awesome power this country has. It makes me disgusted. Also to the other poster, yea the United States has been on this road for a long time but the Obama years gave the world some hope we were at least pretending to move in the right direction. That is now gone.
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STAC Goat posted:At times like this it feels important to remind everyone that Ivanka doesn't give a single poo poo about climate change or any other liberal policy. She's simply savvy enough to recognize that this decision is bad politics and business so she begged Daddy to include some kind of meaningless "we'll figure it out on our own" thing so she can run around assuring concerned parties that they really are MORE committed to combatting climate change now than ever. Ivanka is all about brand management and optics at this stage. The media-and even most Dems-are desperate to find "the good ones" on the other side, who they can hold up as the ideal Republican. Coincidentally, this person tends to be whoever gives the most information and insight to the press (see: McCain). If there's competence in this administration at all (lol), the fine print will be opening a door for the US to return as a signatory in the future in exchange for steep and somewhat punitive concessions-likely an actual enforcement mechanism (which is mostly lacking presently). Dems are going to run on this hard until they regain power; putting costs to reentry will let the GOP kneecap the new administration out of the gate. A wise administration would also gather a committee stuffed with traditionally Democratic stakeholders to 'advise and consent' on the negotiations-using manufacturing, unions, miners, and impoverished consumer groups to better emphasize the costs of compliance... similar tactics to what we see from telecom whenever the FCC tries to restrain cable in any way. Of course, the meagerly staffs atop State and Commerce have created little more than highlight reels of fumblefuckery so I'm sure the fine print will be something petty aimed at NATO or China. Fojar38 posted:You know that this would hurt Europeans as well, right? Europeans who are experiencing a far-right resurgence of their own? Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:This: e: I see the conference already started and as such I assume this is all wrong except the Ivanka bits. Paracaidas fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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tetrapyloctomy posted:I don't see Melania waiting a year or so to pull the plug if he were on life support. I envision a well-practiced, "My Donald was very clear he would not want to live like this and I would like to withdraw care immediately so that he may die with dignity." I feel that she will be a very merry widow unless Trump gets tired of her and moves onto #4 before his demise.
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repeating posted:Probably already beaten by pages but the US is officially pulling out of the Paris climate agreement, and Trump plans to negotiate a new deal. YOU DUMB PIECE OF poo poo YOU SET YOUR OWN EMISSION STANDARDS THERE IS NO ONE TO NEGOTIATE WITH. Anyways I'm gonna blast some anarchist punk, who's in?
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This will change once Climate Change starts making a day-to-day impact on people's lives but lol by then it will be too late.
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Solaris 2.0 posted:This will change once Climate Change starts making a day-to-day impact on people's lives but lol by then it will be too late. It already is, but they just deny that it is caused by climate change "lol, look at all of the liberals in Califronia with their drought" *gets 50 year storms every summer* "Its just god showing us that we shouldn't let gay people get married"
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Chilichimp posted:Their numbers are fudged, but they are actively engaging in efforts to correct their pollution. Wasn't there something about China only wanting to be a part of the climate deal, if they would be considered a third world country, thereby slashing the requirements imposed on them?
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DoctorGonzo posted:Now Hillary can say, vote for me and ill put the coal industry out of job for supra national deals!!!! I hope the coal voters are never allowed to have a job again to be honest, it's too dangerous to allow if they'll gladly sign off to kill everyone else over a poo poo job like coal in the first place.
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Chilichimp posted:Fuckin' Weihenstephaner to the rescue I'm secretly a double agent working for Oberstleutnant Erdinger 
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Solaris 2.0 posted:
The drone industry and the surveilance complex love Obama BIGLY. Some hope.
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evilweasel posted:yes, it is a big deal that one of the lynchpins of the post-war order is openly talking about how the united states is no longer trustworthy How many times do I need to remind you that talk is cheap before you get it? European leaders attack the US constantly and have been doing so virtually since the end of WWII. If Germany actually begins to rearm, and actually begins to move its economy away from being based on exports, and actually follows up this talk with action, then you can be scared. But people in this thread have been putting way too much value on talk when it's actions that matter.
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Because poo poo gets better just by Donald Trump announcing poo poo or walking in the room. Duh.
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Paracaidas posted:I imagine most of the conservatives in Europe would be glad to reframe the US and Russia as the enemy rather than Brussles. Making the case that foreign abuses are stealing jobs from their citizens and the major driver of the refugee crisis sure sounds like a way to co-opt the resurgence. lol. I'm guessing you aren't super familiar with the Euroskeptic parties in the E.U. Parliament.
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Majorian posted:That's a genuinely lovely thing to say, especially since no one is arguing that it isn't bad. If it helps the people who deserve Trump are the ones arguing that there's been no reduction in standing or soft power through this and his other decisions re: NATO and NAFTA. And that's certainly been said in the last couple pages.
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haveblue posted:So assuming reason prevails eventually, is there a procedure for getting back into the agreement? It's a non binding agreement so no. It's basically 194 countries agreeing to each find their own way to improve their carbon emissions. There is no enforcement mechanism, it is just every country agreeing that climate change is real and to do something. Leaving it is an announcement that you intend to emit more carbon, because reducing carbon in ANYs way is compliance.
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Reminder that one of the primary geopolitical goals of the postwar USSR was to break up the American-German alliance.
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