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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is:
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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Please bear in mind before becoming hopeful that old people may very well have postally voted weeks ago

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Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

Jose posted:

what did ipso mori have labour polling at before the election got called?

As has been pointed out already 30% a month before and 26% the week after. So They have Labour up around 10%-14% over the campaign.

I'm excited.


Namtab posted:

Please bear in mind before becoming hopeful that old people may very well have postally voted weeks ago

They usually ask if you've postal voted.

Flatscan
Mar 27, 2001

Outlaw Journalist

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

nopantsjack posted:

i had to look up when the labour leadership elections took place and it reminded me how badly Corbyn destroyed the other contenders haha, then they tried to knife him again when the tories were weak and he just got more votes lmao

e: I'm now just reliving via wikipedia how loving badly labour bungled the last 2 years. The PLP is genuinely so furious to be presenting a left wing option, what loving party do they think they belong to? Cunts.

the PLP are basically libdems, they should just split off Labour and merge into Libdem.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

blowfish posted:

the PLP are basically libdems, they should just split off Labour and merge into Libdem.

That might happen if Corbyn doesn't resign after the election.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

The only poll I trust is the exit

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

Zalakwe posted:

Five points is a very interesting number, if you go by national swing along anything less than 6 points hangs parliament.
Does that calculation include SF not turning up?

fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:
gently caress giant pandas imo, red pandas are where it's at

SteelMentor
Oct 15, 2012

TOXIC

Pissflaps posted:

That might happen if Corbyn doesn't resign after the election.

Good, gently caress them. They're neoliberal snakes and the party will be stronger without them.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Pissflaps posted:

That might happen if Corbyn doesn't resign after the election.

Why should a brand new Prime Minister resign?

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Pissflaps posted:

That might happen if Corbyn doesn't resign after the election.

Just proves that they weren't really on the side of organised Labour.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
Likes Cake, Hates Hamsters



Namtab posted:

Please bear in mind before becoming hopeful that old people may very well have postally voted weeks ago

This is very true and a good point.

However back on the hopeful front postal votes dropped during the first big Labour surge. One of the things that did for Remain was that leave was in the ascendancy during postal voting.

Still though, it's important to keep our hope balanced.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

This communist can't even keep his own twitter safe. How is he supposed to protect the country, the economy, or your family?

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Cerebral Bore posted:

Why should a brand new Prime Minister resign?

That's not quite what I meant.

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

Cerebral Bore posted:

Why should a brand new Prime Minister resign?

Because she's clearly not cut out for the job.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)
All this is going to make Friday 9th so much more painful

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
Likes Cake, Hates Hamsters



jBrereton posted:

Does that calculation include SF not turning up?

I have no idea I'm afraid, It was Mike Smithson's not mine. Probably is my instinct given how knowledgeable he is.

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

SteelMentor posted:

Good, gently caress them. They're neoliberal snakes and the party will be stronger without them.
The party was out of power for 15 years the last time they did something similar, and if the Lib Dems had worked with Labour in 2010 we wouldn't be in this mess, would we?

So explain how the party benefits.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Lord of the Llamas posted:

As has been pointed out already 30% a month before and 26% the week after. So They have Labour up around 10%-14% over the campaign.

I'm excited.


They usually ask if you've postal voted.

They do, but '40% of old people who haven't postal-voted' may be a significantly smaller number.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
I'm not going to pretend I particularly love the SNP or anything, but just out of curiosity what would you actually want Nicola to say when asked what she'd do in a hung parliament where the SNP holds the balance of power? Just refuse to answer?

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

Pissflaps posted:

That might happen if Corbyn doesn't resign after the election.

It's hard to see that if (and this is now a fairly likely scenario) Labour got ~37% and the Tories squeaked by with a 20-30 seat majority that the more anti-Corbyn elements of the PLP would be inclined to jump ship to the absolute trainwreck of the Lib Dems, especially since the most anti-Corbyn MPs tend to come from very Brexity seats.

We might be in for our 3rd annual Labour leadership contest though.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Namtab posted:

Just proves that they weren't really on the side of organised Labour.

It is bizzare, its literally the name of the party guys. Go join the #libdemfightback.

I do wonder what will happen when Labour lose badly, I'm guessing the popularity of the manifesto is immediately retconned into nonexistance and we go back to huge amounts of infighting and thirdwayism.

Although haha the only way there would be MORE infighting than that is if Corbyn won. Labour party loves infighting as much as the Tories love naked power grabs.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Kurtofan posted:

why did may call the election lol

Several Tory MP's faced prosecution over electoral fraud which would have been enough to take away their majority. So rather than go though a massive scandal that would damage their credibility she decided to call a general election against a poorly performing opposition while they were still on their Brexit high.

Then she absolutely hosed it. And election broadcasting standards came in and Corbyn performed tremendously and put out a manifesto that was extremely good.

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

lol i remember this

Unkempt
May 24, 2003

...perfect spiral, scientists are still figuring it out...

feedmegin posted:

I would just like to say you are v bad at knowing where Reading is.

(I saw black and wondered if we were getting our first anarchist MP :P)

I know little of The Northern Wasteland.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Angepain posted:

I'm not going to pretend I particularly love the SNP or anything, but just out of curiosity what would you actually want Nicola to say when asked what she'd do in a hung parliament where the SNP holds the balance of power? Just refuse to answer?

The SNP wouldn't hold the balance of power. What's the snp going to do - vote with the Tories ?

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
davey cameron is a pie

Praseodymi
Aug 26, 2010

Topically, I talked to my mum for the first time in a while and she hates May and the local Tory enough to consider voting Labour, but the chance that the party might just implode and not get anything done is putting her off.

So, thanks, Blairite scum.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Lord of the Llamas posted:

I think I can hear the sound of goalposts being dragged along the ground by Dan Hodges somewhere.

https://twitter.com/HywelRoberts2/status/867907940807823360

dispatch_async
Nov 28, 2014

Imagine having the time to have played through 20 generations of one family in The Sims 2. Imagine making the original two members of that family Neil Buchanan and Cat Deeley. Imagine complaining to Maxis there was no technological progression. You've successfully imagined my life


:discourse:

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Angepain posted:

I'm not going to pretend I particularly love the SNP or anything, but just out of curiosity what would you actually want Nicola to say when asked what she'd do in a hung parliament where the SNP holds the balance of power? Just refuse to answer?

Yeah, the papers are gonna accuse Corbyn of being a trojan horse for the SNP regardless, they've been doing it since Miliband. Sturgeon gave a good answer and one that makes sense, like most of Sturgeons positions do.

Don't really know why the English hate the SNP so much, I'm guessing its the papers? I moved up North a littlle before the indyref and SNP got big and its really strange seeing the divide in opinion from back home. You see a lot of "whining/traitorous/racist SNP" comments from all kinds of people.

Counter to conventional wisdom the English seem to harbour a lot more resentment towards the Scots than vice versa (I've never once had anyone chat poo poo to me apart from a dude from RoI who I agreed with), the Scots do hate Westminster though like all right-thinking individuals.

Dead Cosmonaut
Nov 14, 2015

by FactsAreUseless

the elusive migrating goalposts

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Pissflaps posted:

The SNP wouldn't hold the balance of power. What's the snp going to do - vote with the Tories ?

Depends on the issue, I guess - it's not like they've never done it before. If Labour goes into either a coalition or confidence and supply, I assume they'd have to tailor their policies to make them more SNP-friendly in order to get through.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Praseodymi posted:

Topically, I talked to my mum for the first time in a while and she hates May and the local Tory enough to consider voting Labour, but the chance that the party might just implode and not get anything done is putting her off.

So, thanks, Blairite scum.

I talked to my mum about the election and she ended up carrying me around the house on her shoulders.

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

Pissflaps posted:

I talked to my mum about the election and she ended up carrying me around the house on her shoulders.

your mum must be strong

SteelMentor
Oct 15, 2012

TOXIC

jBrereton posted:

The party was out of power for 15 years the last time they did something similar, and if the Lib Dems had worked with Labour in 2010 we wouldn't be in this mess, would we?

So explain how the party benefits.

The PLP spent the past 2 or so years cocking up trying to stab Corbyn in the back and making Labour look like a laughing stock. Despite all evidence showing that Blarite Neoliberalism isn't working or appealing to voters in any way they keep trying to drag the party away from it's course-correction back to the Left and having a hissyfit whenever the party membership keeps showing that they want that drift back. Look at the change in Labour's performance once they collectively shut up and fell in line, now we're in the brighter situation we're in now.


tl;dr: gently caress Neolibs forever.

Wolfsbane
Jul 29, 2009

What time is it, Eccles?

My daughter has decided that she wants to be prime minister. Her key policy initiatives:

  • You have to smell peoples feet if they ask you to
  • Speed limits will be 30mph in built up areas, 100mph otherwise. 200mph on motorways.
  • You can only play games if children ask you to, then you have to.
  • All boys have to be bald

Still better than the lib dems IMO.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

Pissflaps posted:

The SNP wouldn't hold the balance of power. What's the snp going to do - vote with the Tories ?

So, to clarify, you'd agree her statement earlier mentioned in the Buzzfeed article was entirely unremarkable and just repeating what we all know they're going to do, then?

Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 19, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

nopantsjack posted:

Yeah, the papers are gonna accuse Corbyn of being a trojan horse for the SNP regardless, they've been doing it since Miliband. Sturgeon gave a good answer and one that makes sense, like most of Sturgeons positions do.

Don't really know why the English hate the SNP so much, I'm guessing its the papers? I moved up North a littlle before the indyref and SNP got big and its really strange seeing the divide in opinion from back home. You see a lot of "whining/traitorous/racist SNP" comments from all kinds of people.

Counter to conventional wisdom the English seem to harbour a lot more resentment towards the Scots than vice versa (I've never once had anyone chat poo poo to me apart from a dude from RoI who I agreed with), the Scots do hate Westminster though like all right-thinking individuals.

Labour voters in England hate the SNP because the SNP means Scotland isn't an automatic extra few dozen seats for Labour anymore.

Tory voters in England hate the SNP because obviously their policies don't align very much.

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Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Darth Walrus posted:

Depends on the issue, I guess - it's not like they've never done it before. If Labour goes into either a coalition or confidence and supply, I assume they'd have to tailor their policies to make them more SNP-friendly in order to get through.

The snp likes to wear progressive clothes. It would be hard to disrupt legislation proposed by a Corbyn-led minority government and still maintain that.

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