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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is:
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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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Pesmerga
Aug 1, 2005

So nice to eat you
I wish I could live in a world where we would consider the use of weapons that would lead to mass extinction of life as being sometng that the bad guys propose, rather than being a sensible policy.

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Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
So was it just a poo poo audience that kept hammering on about the same things or was Corbyn answering badly? Or both?

Snipee
Mar 27, 2010

OwlFancier posted:

That's not a good answer though because it isn't answering the question and what makes you think Corbyn would get away with that?

The Tories get away with bullshit non-answers all the time.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Hero woman rounds off the section on Corbyn flubbing the nuclear question... Thank you BBC.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Tigey posted:

Works for May though!

It works for May because she's a tory and that's how tories work, it doesn't work for someone whose primary appeal is that they answer questions.

Snipee posted:

The Tories get away with bullshit non-answers all the time.

The tories get away with bullshit full stop. Labour does not, that's how it works.

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded
If they press him he loving lies and says he'd press it.

How many vulnerable people are going to die from 5 more years of austerity because that prick was too proud to tell a fib.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Vitamin P posted:

If they press him he loving lies and says he'd press it.

How many vulnerable people are going to die from 5 more years of austerity because that prick was too proud to tell a fib.

Can we wait to see if this has actually "thrown" anything?

Lovechop
Feb 1, 2005

cheers mate
https://twitter.com/stu_mather_/status/870748406398017536

ahhh so that's where i knew him from

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Vitamin P posted:

If they press him he loving lies and says he'd press it.

How many vulnerable people are going to die from 5 more years of austerity because that prick was too proud to tell a fib.

You're right.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Vitamin P posted:

If they press him he loving lies and says he'd press it.

How many vulnerable people are going to die from 5 more years of austerity because that prick was too proud to tell a fib.

Then what the hell do you think follows given his avowed dislike of war and violence in all other areas?

What is going on in your head that makes you think that stupid lie answers work for someone who has built their entire platform on not giving stupid lie answers?

What dimension do you come from where Labour isn't subjected to a higher level of scrutiny than the loving tories?

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




Still chucklin' about that zero hours contract guy arguing for his right to be exploited on national TV.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

Vitamin P posted:

If they press him he loving lies and says he'd press it.

How many vulnerable people are going to die from 5 more years of austerity because that prick was too proud to tell a fib.

AHA BUT YOUR VIEWS AS A PACIFIST ARE WELL KNOWN YOU WON'T EVEN BACK ARE BRAVE BOYS etc etc

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Pissflaps posted:

You're right.

Your desire for deceitful people who can't be trusted is noted.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Vitamin P posted:

If they press him he loving lies and says he'd press it.

How many vulnerable people are going to die from 5 more years of austerity because that prick was too proud to tell a fib.

It's a completely loving unbelievable lie and would get torn apart in much the same way

JOHNSON COCKSLAP
Apr 2, 2017

by Lowtax

Pissflaps posted:

Tough night for Corbyn but if you think the Corbyn Surge doesn't need swing voters and instead can rely on an energised youth vote and high turnout from traditional non voters then you shouldn't be too worried.

I'm really upset that labour aren't courting the numerable nuclear weapons block.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Pissflaps posted:

Tough night for Corbyn but if you think the Corbyn Surge doesn't need swing voters and instead can rely on an energised youth vote and high turnout from traditional non voters then you shouldn't be too worried.

He needed both of those things unfortunately.

e: and possibly several more, tbh

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
How long have the public been so obsessed with nuclear weapons?

Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 19, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Jezza should just screen the entirety of Threads any time someone questions why he wouldn't strike first with nukes.

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

Regarde Aduck posted:

So was it just a poo poo audience that kept hammering on about the same things or was Corbyn answering badly? Or both?

Both. He got asked about nukes twice from an audience member, then Dimbleby pressed him on it about three times, then a totally different audience member asked the same question again. It dominated quite a lot of the debate.

He didn't have a good answer though, and that's pretty poor considering how likely it was to come up. He should have just said that discussing the circumstances in which the deterrent would be used weakens the deterrent, and just kept repeating that.

Tortuga
Aug 27, 2011


Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Vitamin P posted:

He was doing fantastically up until the nukes question and then he threw it.

And there really is a good answer "I will put the safety and security of the british people before everything else".

Surely its "When I'm minutes away from the death of everyone I know and love and the end of all human civilization and history with tears in my eyes and poo poo in my pants I might press the Big Red Button and take out another few million sure, but then I might just put my pants on my head and gently caress your mum, I might even do both at the same time! Who gives a poo poo?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

The correct and credible answer to the use of the UKs nuclear arsenal is "I will not use nuclear weapons because there is no credible circumstance under which that would benefit the UK or anybody else on the planet."

Pesmerga
Aug 1, 2005

So nice to eat you
It just seems to be that the US and UK populations are in an active competition to see who can be the most vile.

Edit: don't switch to BBC News, it's got BOJO talking about the threat posed by Corbin and his 'crypto communist cabal'.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

Vitamin P posted:

"I will put the safety and security of the british people before everything else".

So you're saying you would use trident?

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Tortuga posted:

Surely its "When I'm minutes away from the death of everyone I know and love and the end of all human civilization and history with tears in my eyes and poo poo in pants I might press the Big Red Button and take out another few million sure, but then I might just put my pants on my head and gently caress your mum, I might even do both at the same time! Who gives a poo poo?

Once again: it's the prime minister's preparedness to retaliate that makes the conflict itself less likely to happen. Hence why it's a nuclear deterrent.

It baffles me how some struggle with this.

JOHNSON COCKSLAP
Apr 2, 2017

by Lowtax

jabby posted:

Both. He got asked about nukes twice from an audience member, then Dimbleby pressed him on it about three times, then a totally different audience member asked the same question again. It dominated quite a lot of the debate.

He didn't have a good answer though, and that's pretty poor considering how likely it was to come up. He should have just said that discussing the circumstances in which the deterrent would be used weakens the deterrent, and just kept repeating that.

lol if you think those three guys who wanted child murder would've accepted that.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

jabby posted:

Both. He got asked about nukes twice from an audience member, then Dimbleby pressed him on it about three times, then a totally different audience member asked the same question again. It dominated quite a lot of the debate.

He didn't have a good answer though, and that's pretty poor considering how likely it was to come up. He should have just said that discussing the circumstances in which the deterrent would be used weakens the deterrent, and just kept repeating that.

I really don't understand why he didn't have a prepared answer for this. And anything involving the IRA. Like I get why Theresa May can't answer anything, she's an idiot. She apparently understands nothing that isn't a soundbite. But Corbyn has shown he can be amazingly astute. Why wasn't he prepared?

Raeg
Jul 7, 2008

The top 1% of ducks have control of 99.9% of the bread.

Regarde Aduck posted:

How long have the public been so obsessed with nuclear weapons?

They haven't

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Tortuga posted:

Surely its "When I'm minutes away from the death of everyone I know and love and the end of all human civilization and history with tears in my eyes and poo poo in my pants I might press the Big Red Button and take out another few million sure, but then I might just put my pants on my head and gently caress your mum, I might even do both at the same time! Who gives a poo poo?

Well you and I might say that but I don't think Jeremy would even consider saying that.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

OwlFancier posted:

The correct and credible answer to the use of the UKs nuclear arsenal is "I will not use nuclear weapons because there is no credible circumstance under which that would benefit the UK or anybody else on the planet."

Ah so you'd let NK get away with nuking us?

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Oberleutnant posted:

So you're saying you would use trident?

He's saying he'd say he would if he wanted to be prime minister.

Marmaduke!
May 19, 2009

Why would it do that!?
It's quite common when thinking about Ireland and the peace process, for people to remark that you don't make peace with your friends, you make peace with your enemies (I think it was a line in Game of Thrones, no wonder it gets quoted often). But really, as that audience showed, that's not what people want, it's weak to make peace with your enemies. No, the correct course of action is to bomb them into submission and make them surrender.

Owlkill
Jul 1, 2009
Went to the Hammersmith/Fulham deaf and disabled hustings tonight.

UKIP guy used the term 'mongoloid' in his opening remarks, got the constituency name wrong and said that people who can't spell end up resorting to a life of crime.

Tory guy was smarmy and awful, didn't know about his own party's planned cuts to disability benefit, kept talking about the number of disabled people in work being increased and left early (as did his UKIP chum).

Green guy just read from the manifesto (aside from briefly mentioning he'd had mental health issues and also he worked at the local hospital).

Lib dem woman was alright and very enthusiastic but also trying to bang the "ACTUALLY we restrained the Tories" drum which got her leapt on

Labour guy is shadow justice secretary and incumbent, he was late but he actually made reference to local issues, seemed the most polished and didn't use archaic offensive racist terms for disabled people.

Owlkill fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Jun 2, 2017

Tha_Joker_GAmer
Aug 16, 2006
when the first nuke starts flying im commited to launching a nuke at every country on earth in alphabetical order

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Oberleutnant posted:

Ah so you'd let NK get away with nuking us?

If the UK fell under nuclear attack then launching in response would not undo that.

Tortuga
Aug 27, 2011


Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Pissflaps posted:

Once again: it's the prime minister's preparedness to retaliate that makes the conflict itself less likely to happen. Hence why it's a nuclear deterrent.

It baffles me how some struggle with this.

"Are you sure you wanna push your big red button Jong-Un?"

"Uh, did you not watch that episode of Question Time? it was a classic"

Alan BStard
Oct 25, 2003

Izzy wizzy, let's get Byzzy!
https://twitter.com/frankieboyle/status/870744050676236288

JOHNSON COCKSLAP
Apr 2, 2017

by Lowtax

Pesmerga posted:

It just seems to be that the US and UK populations are in an active competition to see who can be the most vile.

Edit: don't switch to BBC News, it's got BOJO talking about the threat posed by Corbin and his 'crypto communist cabal'.

I do honestly think it was a half dozen guys happy to find something they could press. The crowd was happier to hear good lady calling them scum than they were angry about his answers

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Marmaduke! posted:

It's quite common when thinking about Ireland and the peace process, for people to remark that you don't make peace with your friends, you make peace with your enemies (I think it was a line in Game of Thrones, no wonder it gets quoted often). But really, as that audience showed, that's not what people want, it's weak to make peace with your enemies. No, the correct course of action is to bomb them into submission and make them surrender.

The idea that Corbyn's meetings with the IRA were part of the peace process rather than a measure of his support for their aims is not credible.

People don't believe his reasons for meeting them.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
Really dimblebot should have been cutting the 'PRESS THE RED BUTTON' guys after the first six times. Pretty shoddy moderating tbh.

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Pesmerga
Aug 1, 2005

So nice to eat you
Wish he'd have pointed out that North Korea can't reliably get a missile to South Korea, let alone the U.K.

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