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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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jabby posted:It's also vague as gently caress. Where counts as a place of safety? I mean you'd think that "behind the nearest armed plod" but they seem not keen on people doing that.
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namesake posted:I guess 'Run, hide, tell' is the sort of short snappy advice you want to give in emergencies but it's hard to say that but also urge people to keep calm. "Don't give into your base instincts by screaming as loud as you can while simultaniously pissing and making GBS threads yourself THEN run, hide, tell" doesn't roll off the tongue, and I imagine will necessitate larger posters.
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Julio Cruz posted:I think a front page saying something like "we're not publishing photos of the perpetrators because we don't want to encourage others to follow in their footsteps" would be well enough received. The problem is getting all the editors to agree to that sort of policy. Yeah the problem is that the Sun will just throw up the identity on their front page and every other paper will report the Sun's report, allowing them to keep the moral highground. Once one breaks ranks everyone breaks ranks.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:21
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Stopping our media publishing is one thing, it the Americans who need to be muzzled. I really do try to be live and let live, and respect others cultures and religion, but its getting harder and harder to maintain that outlook.
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jabby posted:It's also vague as gently caress. Where counts as a place of safety?
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There's no way to stop papers reporting names, they know it sells papers so they couldn't give a poo poo if it also causes problems.
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Julio Cruz posted:I think a front page saying something like "we're not publishing photos of the perpetrators because we don't want to encourage others to follow in their footsteps" would be well enough received. The problem is getting all the editors to agree to that sort of policy. As well as getting US and other foreign media to adhere to it - which they almost certainly would not (such as in cases of UK Media blackouts, like news about Prince Harry's location in Afghanistan, etc). Its a nice idea - but it wouldn't really work at all in practice
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Fans posted:There's no way to stop papers reporting names, they know it sells papers so they couldn't give a poo poo if it also causes problems. First assume the media are working toward the common good. Then laugh.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:23
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Trickjaw posted:I really do try to be live and let live, and respect others cultures and religion, but its getting harder and harder to maintain that outlook. when the majority of members of a religion hold hostilely intolerant views that directly contradict the foundations of your society it can be a bit tough to keep falling back on "well thats their beliefs and i respect that" yea (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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With all this talk of 'de-escalation' vis Corbyn, does anyone think that there is any value in allowing ISIS to create their Caliphate from the Sunni and Non-Kurd parts of Iraq and Syria, with the Shia and Kurdish parts of Iraq, Jordan, Turkey, and Assad Syria acting as a containment barrier to further expansion (With the support of NATO, Russia and China if called upon by those countries)? I would suggest that, having observed other nations considered 'ideologically extreme' moderate their relationship with the rest of the world over time, throughout history, might and ISIS caliphate not do the same? For example, after the revolution, the USSR was considered to be an international pariah. However, as little as ten years later, Stalin was able to somewhat normalise relations with the rest of the Capitalist world, with Khruschev and Brezhnev following through a generation after the Revolution. The same can be said for Iran since 1979 and China since the 1970s. I believe that the same dynamic would have occurred had the Taliban been left alone to consolidate their rule in Afghanistan. Perhaps de-escalation means a 'cordon-sanitaire' for a generation or two, giving the rulers of an ISIS Caliphate the time to determine that a hyper-exclusionist society will not work in the long term- bringing them to the table by showing them a better way that is able to compromise civil liberties and gender equality with the practise of Islam. If Christian-Democratic parties were able to reconcile civil society and religion in Europe, then why not Islamic-Democratic parties in the Islamic world?
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Wonder if the concert is going to be postponed. Not sure whether it would be appropriate to cancel or not given it's purpose.
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Fans posted:There's no way to stop papers reporting names, they know it sells papers so they couldn't give a poo poo if it also causes problems. I mean, we could have a law about it. We already do, there was a lot of whingeing about it last year.
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Lord_Adonis posted:With all this talk of 'de-escalation' vis Corbyn, does anyone think that there is any value in allowing ISIS to create their Caliphate from the Sunni and Non-Kurd parts of Iraq and Syria, with the Shia and Kurdish parts of Iraq, Jordan, Turkey, and Assad Syria acting as a containment barrier to further expansion (With the support of NATO, Russia and China if called upon by those countries)? I would suggest that, having observed other nations considered 'ideologically extreme' moderate their relationship with the rest of the world over time, throughout history, might and ISIS caliphate not do the same? For example, after the revolution, the USSR was considered to be an international pariah. However, as little as ten years later, Stalin was able to somewhat normalise relations with the rest of the Capitalist world, with Khruschev and Brezhnev following through a generation after the Revolution. The same can be said for Iran since 1979 and China since the 1970s. I believe that the same dynamic would have occurred had the Taliban been left alone to consolidate their rule in Afghanistan. Perhaps de-escalation means a 'cordon-sanitaire' for a generation or two, giving the rulers of an ISIS Caliphate the time to determine that a hyper-exclusionist society will not work in the long term- bringing them to the table by showing them a better way that is able to compromise civil liberties and gender equality with the practise of Islam. If Christian-Democratic parties were able to reconcile civil society and religion in Europe, then why not Islamic-Democratic parties in the Islamic world? we should give the group that throws gays off of rooftops and posts youtube videos of agonizing executions their own bit of country, maybe they'll chill out in a century or three
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chernobyl kinsman posted:when the majority of members of a religion hold hostilely intolerant views that directly contradict the foundations of your society it can be a bit tough to keep falling back on "well thats their beliefs and i respect that" yea Get hosed fascist.
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Lord_Adonis posted:With all this talk of 'de-escalation' vis Corbyn, does anyone think that there is any value in allowing ISIS to create their Caliphate from the Sunni and Non-Kurd parts of Iraq and Syria, with the Shia and Kurdish parts of Iraq, Jordan, Turkey, and Assad Syria acting as a containment barrier to further expansion (With the support of NATO, Russia and China if called upon by those countries)? I would suggest that, having observed other nations considered 'ideologically extreme' moderate their relationship with the rest of the world over time, throughout history, might and ISIS caliphate not do the same? For example, after the revolution, the USSR was considered to be an international pariah. However, as little as ten years later, Stalin was able to somewhat normalise relations with the rest of the Capitalist world, with Khruschev and Brezhnev following through a generation after the Revolution. The same can be said for Iran since 1979 and China since the 1970s. I believe that the same dynamic would have occurred had the Taliban been left alone to consolidate their rule in Afghanistan. Perhaps de-escalation means a 'cordon-sanitaire' for a generation or two, giving the rulers of an ISIS Caliphate the time to determine that a hyper-exclusionist society will not work in the long term- bringing them to the table by showing them a better way that is able to compromise civil liberties and gender equality with the practise of Islam. If Christian-Democratic parties were able to reconcile civil society and religion in Europe, then why not Islamic-Democratic parties in the Islamic world? They don't recognize any national border and openly encourage people around the world to kill their enemies everywhere. They don't play by the rules even in the same way that "rogue states" have, and don't show any self preservation instinct since they've openly welcomed war with every possible country. There's no way to deter them.
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Fans posted:There's no way to stop papers reporting names, they know it sells papers so they couldn't give a poo poo if it also causes problems. and hey when the additional attacks it encourages they can sell more newspapers reporting those names, and so on forever forever looks like I found the magical money tree
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Lord_Adonis posted:With all this talk of 'de-escalation' vis Corbyn, does anyone think that there is any value in allowing ISIS to create their Caliphate from the Sunni and Non-Kurd parts of Iraq and Syria, with the Shia and Kurdish parts of Iraq, Jordan, Turkey, and Assad Syria acting as a containment barrier to further expansion (With the support of NATO, Russia and China if called upon by those countries)? I would suggest that, having observed other nations considered 'ideologically extreme' moderate their relationship with the rest of the world over time, throughout history, might and ISIS caliphate not do the same? For example, after the revolution, the USSR was considered to be an international pariah. However, as little as ten years later, Stalin was able to somewhat normalise relations with the rest of the Capitalist world, with Khruschev and Brezhnev following through a generation after the Revolution. The same can be said for Iran since 1979 and China since the 1970s. I believe that the same dynamic would have occurred had the Taliban been left alone to consolidate their rule in Afghanistan. Perhaps de-escalation means a 'cordon-sanitaire' for a generation or two, giving the rulers of an ISIS Caliphate the time to determine that a hyper-exclusionist society will not work in the long term- bringing them to the table by showing them a better way that is able to compromise civil liberties and gender equality with the practise of Islam. If Christian-Democratic parties were able to reconcile civil society and religion in Europe, then why not Islamic-Democratic parties in the Islamic world? Are you on the windup?
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Something seeming to be happening up by Monument Station now.
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Really enjoying the invasion of this thread by racist assholes who delight whenever there's a terrorist attack. Get hosed.
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Sinteres posted:First assume the media are working toward the common good. Then laugh. I remember when there was an active shooter and the police had to keep chasing the Press through back gardens to stop them as they ran to try get into the area to get a picture of the guy. They're loving idiots.
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Lightning Lord posted:Really enjoying the invasion of this thread by racist assholes who delight whenever there's a terrorist attack. Get hosed. To be honest I'm just here because it's the place that makes the most sense to learn about what's going on from multiple sources, the GBS thread seems to be more about just making jokes. Which I'm totally down for and will participate in, but I keep this thread open for news sources I can't be bothered to find on my own.
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chernobyl kinsman posted:when the majority of members of a religion hold hostilely intolerant views that directly contradict the foundations of your society it can be a bit tough to keep falling back on "well thats their beliefs and i respect that" yea Which is exactly why I propose building a big wall in the middle of the atlantic to keep all the Americans out.
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OwlFancier posted:I mean, we could have a law about it. We already do, there was a lot of whingeing about it last year. That's only for rich people.
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Lord_Adonis posted:With all this talk of 'de-escalation' vis Corbyn, does anyone think that there is any value in allowing ISIS to create their Caliphate from the Sunni and Non-Kurd parts of Iraq and Syria, with the Shia and Kurdish parts of Iraq, Jordan, Turkey, and Assad Syria acting as a containment barrier to further expansion (With the support of NATO, Russia and China if called upon by those countries)? I would suggest that, having observed other nations considered 'ideologically extreme' moderate their relationship with the rest of the world over time, throughout history, might and ISIS caliphate not do the same? For example, after the revolution, the USSR was considered to be an international pariah. However, as little as ten years later, Stalin was able to somewhat normalise relations with the rest of the Capitalist world, with Khruschev and Brezhnev following through a generation after the Revolution. The same can be said for Iran since 1979 and China since the 1970s. I believe that the same dynamic would have occurred had the Taliban been left alone to consolidate their rule in Afghanistan. Perhaps de-escalation means a 'cordon-sanitaire' for a generation or two, giving the rulers of an ISIS Caliphate the time to determine that a hyper-exclusionist society will not work in the long term- bringing them to the table by showing them a better way that is able to compromise civil liberties and gender equality with the practise of Islam. If Christian-Democratic parties were able to reconcile civil society and religion in Europe, then why not Islamic-Democratic parties in the Islamic world? No this is not a good idea and it's never a good idea. ISIS is so extreme that they and Al Qaeda are enemies. ISIS is not going to ever moderate and reconnect with the west. Their goal is to goad the west into invading in a war they believe due to endtime prophecy they are going to win and that doing so will bring about the second coming of the prophets and the end of the world. It's literally a doomsday cult. Don't read too much into microshifts in polling. Anything less than 2-3 percentage points doesn't mean jack poo poo.
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I said it when Jo Cox died and I'll say it again: Call off this loving vote.
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Lord_Adonis posted:With all this talk of 'de-escalation' vis Corbyn, does anyone think that there is any value in allowing ISIS to create their Caliphate from the Sunni and Non-Kurd parts of Iraq and Syria, with the Shia and Kurdish parts of Iraq, Jordan, Turkey, and Assad Syria acting as a containment barrier to further expansion (With the support of NATO, Russia and China if called upon by those countries)? I would suggest that, having observed other nations considered 'ideologically extreme' moderate their relationship with the rest of the world over time, throughout history, might and ISIS caliphate not do the same? For example, after the revolution, the USSR was considered to be an international pariah. However, as little as ten years later, Stalin was able to somewhat normalise relations with the rest of the Capitalist world, with Khruschev and Brezhnev following through a generation after the Revolution. The same can be said for Iran since 1979 and China since the 1970s. I believe that the same dynamic would have occurred had the Taliban been left alone to consolidate their rule in Afghanistan. Perhaps de-escalation means a 'cordon-sanitaire' for a generation or two, giving the rulers of an ISIS Caliphate the time to determine that a hyper-exclusionist society will not work in the long term- bringing them to the table by showing them a better way that is able to compromise civil liberties and gender equality with the practise of Islam. If Christian-Democratic parties were able to reconcile civil society and religion in Europe, then why not Islamic-Democratic parties in the Islamic world? What the? I mean... What the? 1) That entails leaving millions of innocent people In Syria and Iraq - as well as other regions not currently under their control - to suffer under their brutal semi-feudal fundamentalist yolk for decades 2) That in no way stops them from continuing to either directly attack, or indirectly (through propaganda, radicalising young people in other countries, sponsoring other movements, etc) other countries 3) Actually gently caress replying seriously to the rest of this. What the?
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chernobyl kinsman posted:when the majority of members of a religion hold hostilely intolerant views that directly contradict the foundations of your society it can be a bit tough to keep falling back on "well thats their beliefs and i respect that" yea gently caress off.
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Skinty McEdger posted:Something seeming to be happening up by Monument Station now. https://twitter.com/zackbeauchamp/status/871142904445759489
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Steve2911 posted:I said it when Jo Cox died and I'll say it again: What's your plan afterwards?
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chernobyl kinsman posted:when the majority of members of a religion hold hostilely intolerant views that directly contradict the foundations of your society it can be a bit tough to keep falling back on "well thats their beliefs and i respect that" yea You are saying something that is not true
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forkboy84 posted:Mate, if you think that's loving stupid, have this belter from The Independent. John Rentoul at his finest, whining about the evils of universal benefits and how putting up corporation tax just means increased costs for customers & claiming if you want to protect the incomes of the poor you should vote Lib Dem. Thanks for posting - somewhat unexpectedly, I found some of it quite interesting. I had heard criticism of the Labour manifesto for not doing more to address the cuts before and this article had this IFS graph to illustrate:  What's most striking to me is that every political party's spending plans has the poorest 80% getting poorer. That gap between Labour and the Lib Dems on redistributive impact is quite striking too. Weasling Weasel posted:It's all just nihilstic killing. With the IRA bombings, the demand was for a fully independent Ireland, and there was an understandable if completely unjustifable goal. What exactly is the point of killing for the ISIS perspective? How do you even stop purely random, nonsensical violence? You don't think having so many immediately before an election campaign means they're linked? If I was ISIS, I would be doing my level best to make sure Corbyn is kept out, so the alienation of British Muslims can continue and our foreign policy doesn't get redirected away from military interventionism. Best way to do that is to make people afraid and in need of protection. Prince John fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Jun 4, 2017 |
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OwlFancier posted:Bit late aren't they? Aren't the terrorists currently on the run? Seems like the perfect time to send Blue Thunder in to me.
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OwlFancier posted:What's your plan afterwards? Wait a bit then try again.
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OwlFancier posted:Bit late aren't they? Security theatre. I doubt the Super Army Soldiers would break out the chopper if they wanted to be subtle.
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chernobyl kinsman posted:when the majority of members of a religion hold hostilely intolerant views that directly contradict the foundations of your society it can be a bit tough to keep falling back on "well thats their beliefs and i respect that" yea majority eh
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